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Child's Play
Grab your tiny hammers, cuties! This episode Crybaby and Donnie are taking us back to the 1980s for a visit to the horror classic ‘Child’s Play’. We’ll be exploring the queer subtext, examining the 80s consumer culture, and getting a good scare from the terror of a single mom (and the cutest kid ever) facing off against the ICONIC killer doll. It's nostalgic. It's spooky. And it's oh so gay.
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What is your podcast about? Hanging out with your smartest and funniest friend. You know me, I'll kill
Speaker 6:anybody but um, Baby
Speaker:Hey cuties and welcome back to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. I'm your host Crybaby, the spooky slut from your wettest nightmares, and we are back with our ultra uber extra special guest host, Donnie Cianciato.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes. You said it correctly.
Speaker:I literally, as I was saying it, had a mini panic attack because I was so confident in the fact that I was saying it correctly, but I'm just like, what if it's not right?
Speaker 2:Nope. You nailed it. All five syllables of it. C A N C I A T O. That's it. That is
Speaker:five syllables. Five syllables. Ten
Speaker 2:letters, five syllables.
Speaker:we just took a bit of a break. We look exactly the same. That's right. As we did for our last episode. For those of
Speaker 2:you who cannot see us, we still look phenomenal.
Speaker:Yes, I am still chafing, I'm still fidgeting. I did put some gold bond into my corset. But it's just, it is what it is. I
Speaker 2:legitimately We have a salsa stain on my shirt. Look at that
Speaker:There are worse stains to have on your shirt. That is the truth. That is chugga chugga true true i've been there Again, rapidly derailed We're in a chaotic time, and that's okay. So, we are here to talk about, but a, but a, but a, but a, but a child's play child's play from 1988. We're jumping right on into franchise Friday with the first installment of our. Series franchise.
Speaker 2:Yes. This is the franchise franchise
Speaker:Fridays. Yes, indeed. Donnie. Yes. So Child's Play, created by hottie of the century, Don Mancini. Take a drink. Take a drink, baby. So tell me what you know about it.
Speaker 2:Well, what I remember from, you know, growing up around this time period is a doll called my buddy. And I don't remember when my buddy came out specifically, but I know it was before child's play. And everybody wanted to have my buddy and it was, about the same height as Chucky and uh, there was a little theme song that I remember. I'm gonna sing it for you. It was, my buddy, my buddy, wherever he goes, no, wherever I go, he's gonna go. My buddy, my buddy, my buddy and me. And I'll never forget it, I'll never forget it, it is locked in my head. And I think Child's Play probably came from this terrifying, large doll that all of these children were clam, you know, clamoring for. On top of that, there were the Cabbage Patch dolls of the 80s, which, you know, people were literally buying to sell on the black market, if you will, you know, to, to get um, The money, because people were willing to pay anything for these dolls. So when Child's Play came out, I remember thinking, Ah, yes, I see, I see where this is coming from.
Speaker:I know that the My Buddy doll had a lot there was inspiration pulled from that, because, First off, that doll looked scary as hell. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2:it was terrifying.
Speaker:Like it looked, I feel like the My Buddy doll looked scarier than Chucky, personally. I think
Speaker 2:so too. And then a couple years after My Buddy, they came out with one for the girls. Did you know about this? No. She was called Kid Sister.
Speaker 4:Oh god.
Speaker 2:And the song was the same, but it was Kid Sister, Kid Sister.
Speaker:Heavy eye roll insert. That's so stupid. Yeah, it was pretty dumb. Oh my god, the fucking gendering of everything in the 80s was absolute nonsense. Oh, yeah Yeah, oh my god That's disgusting, I'm sorry That's just repulsive. I think that's stupid.
Speaker 2:It was dumb. Only boys could have my buddy and girls had to have kid sister Boo.
Speaker:Boo
Speaker 2:on the gendering.
Speaker:Ugh, nonsense. But, yeah, that, the Cabbage Patch Dolls. I know Don um, his father worked in advertising. And so, he had a lot of insight on how these ad agencies and how marketing specifically towards children went and how it was kind of like nefarious and just like a little, it was very targeted. They were like, all like future consumers and just like, I mean, we all know this now, but I think at the time, you know, the eighties was a time of like indulgence and consumerism
Speaker 2:for sure And then kids insisting on getting whatever it was and the parents buying it because it was consistently you were being berated with it. There were commercials all day long. You know, that's all you saw. They were the cereals, you know, so of course you wanted the product.
Speaker:Absolutely. Now in the original version of child's play though, it wasn't like we didn't have Charles Lee Ray. We had And honestly, like I had mixed feelings about this because I love the original idea that they had for the doll But what they ended up with is I think the reason why we have such a successful franchise. So It's fine. But the original version of the doll it was blood buddy Or the the movie was blood buddies and like this doll it was a doll that could bleed You know, it was kind of like, um, what was the doll that would wet its pants?
Speaker 2:Betsy wetsy
Speaker:betsy wetsy. It was like a betsy wetsy but with blood And it the intention was like to teach children how to play safe with their toys But it was really about like, oh you Play too rough with your doll and now he's bleeding looks like you have to go get bloody buddy Band aids and you have to get all of this stuff and just you know that machine that feeds into it. But when don's script got picked up They landed on a serial killer instead of You This bloody buddy doll that ended up being a representation of the child's id. It couldn't
Speaker 2:possibly be more different. Yeah. You know,
Speaker:which I, I love the idea of, you know, this toy coming to life and acting out all of the repressed emotions that this child is dealing with. I think, cause we don't really. And I could imagine at the time, view children as people with complex emotions.
Speaker 2:No, no, certainly not. They were just little extensions of the parents.
Speaker:But with the original screenplay, it's like we had this moment of the horror. Of repressed emotions that, that children deal with, especially when they have shitty adults in their life, which we still get a lot of that in this movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. You get the loving adult, but you also get shitty adults. he grows up in a, you know, broken home, if you will, which was a big thing in the eighties. Oh yeah. You know, I remember the the way that my, not, not my family, but the way kids from divorced families were kind of looked at as Oh, that poor child, that poor, poor child. They don't have a mother and a father. They're obviously going to suffer in some emotional capacity. So divorce, you know, it's still, it's still demonized, but you know, in the eighties, it was this horrible thing that this, this child had to, Endure. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's wild. It's interesting, but I love it. You know, the, the same uh, themes that Don included you know, being a child that felt kind of isolated and that didn't have, you know, friends or like a whole family unit, whatever. We still see that in this movie. But this time we do get the blessing of Brad Dourif as Charles Lee Ray.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes. Yes.
Speaker:The most serial killer of serial killer names.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. And why is that? Because
Speaker:Um, The, oh, the, the Three serial killers inspired the name. Yep. So there's
Speaker 2:Charles for Charles Manson,
Speaker:Lee for Lee Harvey Oswald and
Speaker 2:Ray for
Speaker:James Earl Ray,
Speaker 2:who killed Martin Luther King.
Speaker:Correct. This is a pop quiz, everybody. That's right. Hope you pay attention in history.
Speaker 2:Yep. That is quite the serial killer name. It
Speaker:is. So, let's go ahead. We're just going to jump right into the movie and meet our serial killer because do it. That's the first thing this movie starts us off with is a chase scene that also feels a little bit like an Herbal Essence commercial because we get Brad Dorff all hot in the eighties with long, luscious
Speaker 2:flowing locks.
Speaker:Oh, it's so beautiful. Running from the cops,
Speaker 2:which, and immediately you're kind of like, I want to know more about this man who's running from the cops because He seems like the more interesting party.
Speaker:He really does. You know? I mean, he's dressed like he's got like this killer trench coat on late 80s fashion is kind of like, it's very clockable. Oh, for sure. It's, it's like, you know, when you're in the late 80s, based off of the fashion, but that doesn't mean it didn't slay a little bit.
Speaker 2:It did slay. Yeah. It was pretty good. Yeah. I think
Speaker:he looks great.
Speaker 2:Mm hmm.
Speaker:So, yeah, our buddy Charles Lee Ray is running from the cop and there's a bit of a shootout that's happening and the cop ends up, I thought, shooting Charles Lee Ray in the ass.
Speaker 2:I think it's like the back of the leg.
Speaker:I would agree.
Speaker 2:But yes, you thought it was the ass?
Speaker:My headcanon is the cop shot. An ass shot. It's an ass shot. It's always an ass shot.
Speaker 2:And then Charles Lee Ray runs into the first available building that he can get himself into.
Speaker:Which is a toy store.
Speaker 2:A nice, terrifying toy store.
Speaker:But not before the most important person in this movie.
Speaker 2:Valid,
Speaker:Eddie Caputo.
Speaker 2:Eddie Caputo. Don't forget about Eddie Caputo.
Speaker:He's the most important person in this movie, everybody. Eddie Caputo sees Charles Lee Ray getting shot in the ass leg, and, drives off and leaves him. The
Speaker 2:getaway driver gets away
Speaker:without the precious package of Brad Dourif. So yes, he ends up in this like, massive ass toy store. Yeah, it's pretty big. Well,
Speaker 2:It's like Toys R Us and KB Toy Store had a baby with a little bit of F. A. O. Schwartz thrown in there.
Speaker:Mm hmm. With also some Regal Cinemas. And I'm just because of the neon lights. Because of
Speaker 2:the lights. There's neon lights. Yeah,
Speaker:there's tons of neon lights. So, he goes into this store. And the shootout pursues, and we get this line uh, where Charles is screaming at the cop, and he's like, I'm gonna get you and Eddie Caputo, the most important person in this movie. Don't forget. No matter what. And then he gets shot.
Speaker 2:Then he gets like shot shot.
Speaker:Like shot shot, like ooh ow. And so he ends up in this pile of good guy dolls. And before we know it, we get our favorite incantation. Ade due dambala. Give me
Speaker 2:the power I beg of you. And then the lightning strikes and the clouds roll in and there's all this 1980s like special effects or you know, special effect.'cause they used it in every single movie, you know? Yeah.
Speaker:The clouds that look like mashed potatoes. Yes.
Speaker 2:And they're kind of purple.
Speaker:Mm-Hmm. Yes. So they roll in and then we get this big special effects lightning bolts. Right? That burst right through the top of the store. And everything explodes. I just hit my mic when I said that. You've gotten really excited. I got really excited. Cause everything exploded. It was a practical explosion. It was a practical, it looked really cool. And even the cop who, by the way, is played by Chris Sarandon,
Speaker 2:Chris Sarandon, who was a big, big hottie in the eighties. He was, you know, making those movies all the time.
Speaker:And who apparently. Voiced was the speaking voice for Jack Skellington. In Nightmare Before Christmas.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I suppose he was, right? I
Speaker:think so. And then
Speaker 2:Danny Elfman was the singing voice. I believe
Speaker:so. Get at us in the comments if I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong, but if I'm wrong, let me know. But yeah, he ends up getting blown back. He survives the explosion cause he has to of course cause cops survive everything in the eighties
Speaker 2:right. And like lightning basically hits them. And he's I'm good. I was wearing my vest.
Speaker:The laws on my side. So, yeah. And as far as we know Charles Lee Ray is dead. As far as we know. As far as we know. As far as we know. We don't fully know what happened yet. And then from there we cut to a bright sunny morning. In a beautiful apartment in Chicago. In
Speaker 2:Chicago, mm
Speaker:hmm. And we get the cutest of cutest kid actors. He
Speaker 2:is pretty cute.
Speaker:Alex Vincent. Mm hmm. I don't know how old he was. I should have looked it up. But he was a tiny little child. Yeah. When he, when they made this movie. And he is so adorable and also so effective. I just, I just love him, but he's making a sugary as fuck breakfast that he is like burnt toast, which isn't sugary, but it's, that's the, as fuck. But he has a big bowl of cereal where he throws three like ladles. sugar into it and you know, a fricking bowling ball sized butter on the burnt toast and he's making breakfast for his mom, which I, and I've told you this before, I have made a very similar breakfast for my mom. Really? I did. Not for my birthday. It was for her birthday. I still wasn't allowed to use the stove. I was like 10. I was like 10 years old, I think. Maybe 11. I wasn't allowed to use the stove, but I was allowed to use the microwave. There
Speaker 2:you go.
Speaker:So I microwaved everything. I microwaved the bacon, I microwaved the eggs
Speaker 2:microwave eggs. I didn't
Speaker:microwave the toast. I was allowed to use a toaster. Good. Good. Good. But, yeah, I made my mom a very similarly disgusting breakfast for her birthday and I sat there and I watched her eat it. I made her eat it in front of me.
Speaker 2:Oh, bless
Speaker:her heart. She said it was the most disgusting thing she's ever eaten in her life. But our mother doesn't have to eat this nasty breakfast. Yeah, luckily
Speaker 2:she sneaks out of it.
Speaker:Yes, she does. Because, little cute Andy Barclay. Brings his breakfast to his mom and as soon as she sees what it is. She's like I'm gonna eat this later Let's go open up your presents.
Speaker 2:Nothing will distract a child from gross breakfast like presents,
Speaker:which honestly I feel like he He must have known she wasn't gonna eat that breakfast. You think so? I think I think it was a manipulation tactic I think he's like it's my birthday. I want to my presence now. So I'm going to wake my mom up and threaten you with this meal by bringing her this this meal that she probably will not want to eat. I'm probably giving like a six year old too much credit here.
Speaker 2:Potentially. It seems like it's an innocent gesture.
Speaker:I don't know. I still think he's like, it's my birthday. I'm making my mom breakfast. So she'll at least wake up.
Speaker 2:That's a possibility.
Speaker:When she wakes up, I get to open up my presence, which by the way, all the time he's making this breakfast again, eighties, good guy propaganda everywhere. There's a TV show. There's good guys, cereal, cereal, cereal, good guys, cereal. Andy wants a good guy doll because it's literally being shoved down his throat by the media.
Speaker 2:That was the big thing. Mm hmm.
Speaker:And so we get to his presents and lo and behold, there's a good guy doll shaped and sized box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this just seems cruel.
Speaker:It is cruel because he opens it up and what is it, what is one thing that children do not want on their birthday?
Speaker 2:Socks.
Speaker:It's clothing. Yeah. It's clothing. And, yeah, it does seem cruel. Like,
Speaker 2:She must have gotten that box, you know, or who, who puts clothing in a box exactly that size? It's not like it was stocked full of clothing. Exactly.
Speaker:Like this box, to paint a picture for y'all, it's gotta be, it's at least, I would say three feet long. Sure, yeah. And probably about like a foot or two, like girth wise. You're going to put a single pair of pants in there. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2:what it seemed like.
Speaker:You're setting your kid up for disappointment.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker:But it's okay because we love our mother because she is so wonderfully played by Catherine Hicks.
Speaker 2:Yes. What do you like to call her?
Speaker:Oh, Catherine. Seven heaven mom. Oh, she has a seventh heaven mom. Yes. And there's that, that infamous clip of her as a seventh heaven mom telling her husband. I have something to tell you.
Speaker 2:It's so drama. I've smoked pot.
Speaker:she might as well have told him that she murdered somebody. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2:yeah. I didn't watch that show because religion.
Speaker:I think I watched a couple of episodes when I was a kid, but I didn't realize that it was a religious show. I think I was just watching it because Jessica Biel.
Speaker 2:That's a good reason. Yeah. Plus they, they didn't like, I mean, I They can make it overtly religious, but that's, that was why it was so insidious.
Speaker:Yeah. Cause you have a pastor freaking out about a child smoking marijuana, which is like very nineties and I guess like marijuana being like, the devil's lettuce, the devil, that jazz cabbage. Frickin being in dare and like being fricking indoctrinated by just like, first off in dare they're treating their, they act like drug dealers are going to come up to you and give you shit for free.
Speaker 2:Yes, they do. And every day it's going to happen every day of your life.
Speaker:Yeah. Someone's going to offer you some like marijuana or like PCP or acid or whatever for free just cause. They're out to get you, kid. Mm
Speaker 2:hmm.
Speaker:Oh, God.
Speaker 2:I wish.
Speaker:Oh, my goodness. Anyway, we still love, Karen is the mother's name. Karen,
Speaker 2:unfortunately. Unfortunately. Also known as
Speaker:Catherine Hicks, also known as 7th Heaven's Mom. And we may refer to her in any combination of them. Right. She doesn't have just one name here. I'm so sorry. So anyway, she tells Andy that she didn't have enough uh, time to save up for the doll, which is like indicating to us that she is a struggling mother.
Speaker 2:She's a struggling mother and she has a gorgeous apartment in a beautiful building. But she really only gets to wear like one or two outfits during the entire movie. So it's a little confusing.
Speaker:Yeah. She has one pair of boots, one pair of boots. And
Speaker 2:one jacket that she wears almost the entire time.
Speaker:I'm not gonna shit on it for that though, because I have one jacket that I wear all the time. Jackets are expensive Like jackets are wild
Speaker 2:I feel like they were able to like Save up money for the 1980 special effects because they only gave her one costume. Yeah
Speaker:Their wardrobe department was just like a salesperson at the dollar tree.
Speaker 2:Yep
Speaker:We're
Speaker 2:dollar
Speaker:trees back in
Speaker 2:the 80s. I don't recall any dollar trees in
Speaker:the 80s
Speaker 2:Back in the 80s things only cost a fucking dollar. So
Speaker:oh, so everything was a dollar tree in the 80s yeah, so she says that she'll get it for him soon But instead of getting him the good guy doll she gets him like the good guy hammer.
Speaker 2:Right, right. Like an accessory for the doll.
Speaker:Yeah, the doll that I can't get you, I'm going to give you an accessory for that doll so you can continue to want the doll that I cannot get you.
Speaker 2:It's an, it's a sweet gesture, but it's a little misplaced.
Speaker:It is, it's a sweet gesture. I just like ragging on Karen's, but we do like this Karen.
Speaker 2:So now Karen goes to work and we get to see where Karen works and it is at kind of a department store. Seems like one of those buy anything and everything in this vicinity. And she works behind the counter selling
Speaker:I think she's behind the jewelry counter. The
Speaker 2:jewelry
Speaker:counter. Because I remember it being so scandalous that she left everything unattended.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, that's true, that's true. Oh
Speaker:my gosh,
Speaker 2:this is where we meet Aunt Maggie, otherwise known as
Speaker:Marty Maraschino from Greece, from Greece, the one woman USO. That's
Speaker 2:right. The, the, the only great character out of all the extra girl characters.
Speaker:Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Played by Diana Manoff.
Speaker 2:Yes. Which Diana Manoff sounds like a drag queen's name.
Speaker:The only reason I can remember it is Diana
Speaker 2:Manoff.
Speaker:Because, because you told me that because it's like Diana Manoff, like dine, dine, eat man, man, off, off. I'm going to dine a man off. Yeah, dine a man off. Dine a man off. I spent way too much time breaking down a very obvious reason why that sounds like. But yes, Diana Manoff, also known as Marty Maraschino. And
Speaker 2:she's a badass. Yes. She's a badass.
Speaker:She is. And she, what I love is like, she's always like looking out for her friend. She's always looking out for a friend because she runs up and she's like, Hey, there's some like back alley shit going on. Yes. Yes. And that doll that you want. I think it's back there.
Speaker 2:Known, a character known as like the peddler is back, back in the back alley with a cart full of crap. And one of the things that he has is this good guy doll that is, what is it? It it's been, Written off or it's, it's how, I think he
Speaker:just pulled it from the wreckage.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's that's, that's it. He must've just found it. He must've just found it. The wreckage
Speaker:just ransacked this busted ass toy store. I mean, looting. I mean, I guess. I was big in the eighties. I would have done the same thing. If I saw like a completely exploded toy store, I would have rummaged and grabbed a couple of
Speaker 2:get the stuff, you know, you're going to be able to sell some hot ticket items. I mean,
Speaker:it worked,
Speaker 2:it did work. And what does she end up paying for it?
Speaker:I think he wanted to sell it. So the dollar originally went for a hundred bucks, which is wild considering this was the eighties.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's two million dollars. That's
Speaker:a lot of 80s dollars. So the doll originally went for 100. He was trying to sell it for 50. Right. And then Marty Maraschino was like, no, no, no. Absolutely not. And then so Mama Karen said, I'll give you 30. And Marty Maraschino was like, no, that's still too much. And then Mama was just like, listen, my son wants this fucking doll. I'm going to get it to him and honestly like she has a point like going from like getting a 70 percent discount That's pretty good imagine like I don't know I'm trying to come up with like a modern PlayStation five. Let's say, you know, PlayStation five expensive as fuck. Everyone's trying to get them. They're selling out, whatever, whatever. And you're able to not only get one, which in itself is already challenging, but get one for 70 percent off. You're going to get it. You're going to get it. Like it doesn't fucking matter. Even if
Speaker 2:you have to buy it from the peddler in the back alley.
Speaker:So she does. And she gets it. And that's it. Fucking Pencil Neck Boss.
Speaker 2:Pencil Neck Boss, the Pencil Neck. Mm hmm. He is just livid because she left the counter unattended. And then he has the audacity to insist that she come back in later that night.
Speaker:Yeah, he says something like, you know, somebody called out and he says, I won't be working this shift.
Speaker 2:Mm
Speaker:hmm. So you will be.
Speaker 2:Yep. See pencil neck.
Speaker:And he's also like an extra asshole because Marty Maraschino was like, I'll cover it. Cause the mom's like, it's my son's birthday, you know? And he's just like, I don't care. Yeah. And Marty's like, I'll cover it. And he's like, no, no, no. You work in shoes, right? She works in jewelry. She needs to do it. Fucking asshole.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And can you imagine being told that by your boss nowadays? You know, you need to come back in for a shift that you didn't. Oh, you know what? That actually still happens.
Speaker:Yeah, I would quit that job would quit
Speaker 2:that job too. I would walk out right then, child or not.
Speaker:I love quitting a job.
Speaker 2:It's so, so fulfilling.
Speaker:It's so satisfying. I'm just going to say, if anybody out there has the ability to quit a job, it is so satisfying. Do it when you need to. Do it when you need to. Yes. Um. Tips from cry, tips from cry baby and Donnie. Yeah, your job,
Speaker 2:quit, quit. Everything will be fine. It'll all work out.
Speaker:But mama Karen can't quit because she is a single mother. Right. And maybe
Speaker 2:under those circumstances, don't quit.
Speaker:Yeah. So since pencil dick neck boss won't let Marty Maraschino cover the shift. She has agreed to watch Andy for his birthday. Yeah, she's gonna babysit. But the boss is nice and kind enough to be like, I'll let you go home for two hours before you come back.
Speaker 2:Isn't that weird? Go take your two hour break and then come back for the night shift.
Speaker:Oh my god, such an asshat. Mm
Speaker 2:hmm. Mm so that's what she does. She, she goes home for two hours before she's got to go back to her pencil neck jewelry counter, and she's got a surprise for Andy. Mm hmm.
Speaker:In this scene, I think, cause she, she gives him the coveted. Child's Play doll. Child's Play, the coveted, um, good guy doll. And I feel like if you took this scene out of context, this would be like a lifetime original movie. Oh yeah, totally could be. Very sweet. You know, just like the down and out mom, she gets to give her child what? What he's always wanted, and he is so happy, so much so that when he unboxes Chucky, he screams into the doll's face. Yes, he does. Hi, I'm Andy! My mic probably went crazy. It probably just blew up. I Just yells into the face. Yells.
Speaker 2:And the dolls, they have different names that end in Y. So they could be like Danny, or Billy, or probably, yeah, cute names, you know, Donnie. And uh, this one, of course, is named Chucky. Which gives us our first, you know, indication that perhaps this doll is somebody we've already met.
Speaker:Possibly.
Speaker 2:Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
Speaker:Hmm. So, Mama Karen does have to go back to work.
Speaker 2:Yes,
Speaker:she does. She has to go back to work.
Speaker 2:So, and Marty Maraschino.
Speaker:The one woman USO. That's
Speaker 2:right. She shows up and she's babysitting.
Speaker:And she's just sittin there nommin on cake. She's like pickin that chocolate cake with her hands.
Speaker 2:It's birthday cake, it's delicious. That's true. It's great when you eat it with your fingers. I do it too. Yep.
Speaker:Normally at like 3 a. m. Yes, right. I'm just like, ah. While she's doing this, Chucky and Andy are getting to know each other.
Speaker 2:That's what I was gonna say, they're getting to know each other. Mm hmm. And watching the
Speaker:news,
Speaker 2:which is talking about the serial killer named Charles Lee Ray, who was recently you know, assassinated if you will, by the police.
Speaker:And they're also talking about the whereabouts of this movie's most important character, Eddie Caputo, Eddie Caputo. And all the while Andy is like teaching, teaching Chuckie how to build things
Speaker 2:with the hammer,
Speaker:with the hammer,
Speaker 2:little ball peen hammer and then what happens? It's time for bed.
Speaker:yeah, so Marty Maraschino has Andy brush his teeth. And while this happens, the TV turns on and we're back to watching the news.
Speaker 2:Right. She assumes, of course, that it's him watching TV, but it's just the doll, just the doll sitting there.
Speaker:And so of course she thinks that Andy's playing around. And so she just grabs the doll and grabs Andy and she puts Andy in bed in his shoes. Oh no, we talked about this. Okay. It, it looks like his shoes. It looks like he's wearing shoes.
Speaker 2:It's probably like pajamas that are attached to the little feet, you know, like little booties.
Speaker:That's what I think it is. I just can't like my brain can't see it and not think like you're wearing shoes to bed.
Speaker 2:You're wearing shoes to bed. It's
Speaker:just gross. It really is. But either way, she puts him in a bed with Chucky, they're laying next to each other, fricking Andy gives Chucky a kiss, which is creepy if you think about it. Yeah, it's pretty creepy. Like There's a grown ass man there.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, it's creepy if you think about that.
Speaker:Yes. Yeah. And then we get, this is honestly one of my favorite shots because it's so stupid. We just get like this zoom in on Chucky's fuck ass face, not even doing anything. Like it's literally, it's just like, they have a doll. In bed and they just zoom in on its face But nothing happens and
Speaker 2:it's super creepy.
Speaker:It's
Speaker 2:effective.
Speaker:It is effective. I just think it's funny
Speaker 2:It is funny, but it makes you think what's going on here.
Speaker:That's true. That's true But what is going on here? I
Speaker 2:don't know because at this point we haven't had anything confirmed or denied
Speaker:which I love like if we were to look at this movie on its own, I love the fact that There's some ambiguity here Because when we cut to Marty Maraschino, watching TV and reading at the same time.
Speaker 2:You have such issues with these things. I really do.
Speaker:Here's cause here's the thing. We all know I'm a Gemini. I will not shut up about it. That's, that's, I'm going to say that Don Mancini is hot cause he is. I'm going to say that I'm a Gemini. Because I am. Because you are. It makes sense. It informs a lot of my behavior. And one of those things is, I personally love stimulation. I have lighting panels in my room, light reactive stuff in my room, I have at least five light sources in my room, I have oil diffusers, I have scented candles, I have a lot of stimulation in my room. But one thing you will never catch me doing at the same time is reading a book while watching TV. Reading. I cannot do it.
Speaker 2:No, too much?
Speaker:I just think that's monster sociopathic behavior. I really do. Either that or I'm just jealous because I cannot do
Speaker 2:it. You can't focus on the two at the same time?
Speaker:No, I can't. But Marty Maraschino can. She
Speaker 2:absolutely can.
Speaker:And she does. But while she does, we get like the shot of something running behind her.
Speaker 2:And we can only assume that it's either Andy. Or the doll.
Speaker:Because they're about the same size. And after this happens, she gets a phone call from Mama Karen.
Speaker 2:Checking in.
Speaker:Just checking in to see how things are going. One line that I'll remember Marty saying is that she has a case of like the home alone willies.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, the home alone willies. The home
Speaker:alone willies. Let's
Speaker 2:be honest, I get those.
Speaker:I do too. And I live alone.
Speaker 2:For the most
Speaker:part. For the most part. Mm hmm. If I'm ever home alone, I do accidentally give myself the home alone willies.
Speaker 2:You give them to
Speaker:yourself? I do because I like, I either will watch something scary or I'll think about something scary. Like I'll just be sitting at home alone minding my business and then my brain will be like, What if you're in a horror movie right now? What if there's someone in your closet
Speaker 2:Don't do that to me, why would you
Speaker:do that? Well, that's why I have to sleep with my door locked now. Really? I always sleep with my door locked My door is closed and my door is locked My closet is open because it's just so full of shit that I can't fully close it So I've grown used to it. But yeah, I get the home alone late night willies a lot
Speaker 2:Sometimes if I'm in bed, I'm like what happens if you open your eyes and there's just some things standing over the bed Right over you lurking I'm like, what thing and then of course I have to open my eyes just to make sure I'm a full grown man and I have to be like, well, let me just check.
Speaker:I'll do that too. Like I'll investigate behind the shower curtain, like stuff like that. Again, just horror minds, I guess. But Marty Maraschino apparently is a very similar.
Speaker 2:Yes, which I can, good company.
Speaker:tell me if this is problematic or not, but my headcanon is that Marty Maraschino and Mama Karen, they have some sapphic vibes between them.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't think it's problematic at all. Yeah. I think, I think you're right.
Speaker:Because here's the thing, Karen, like we know that her dad or her dad, her husband Andy's dad died, right? So the best friend comes in and comforts her. And I'm sorry, but you know, aunt Maggie slash Marty Marasino,
Speaker 2:aunt
Speaker:Maggie slash Marty Marasino. Maybe I'm profiling here. I feel like she's team.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. I mean, She's, she's kind of coded that way because she's slightly aggressive. And in the
Speaker:eighties, not
Speaker 2:aggressive, even assertive, she's not aggressive. She just like talks back to pencil neck, you know? And that's kind of like, Oh, okay.
Speaker:Yeah. And I feel like in the eighties too, just like thinking about how women were coded. If you were aggressive like that, you were either queer or like a spinster.
Speaker 2:Right. Either of those two things. Yeah.
Speaker:So, my headcanon is that Marty Maraschino and Andy's mom, they have a thing going on.
Speaker 2:I like the idea of that.
Speaker:Which is what makes this next event really sad.
Speaker 2:You remember that hammer we were talking about earlier? Well, it's about to get put to good
Speaker:use. A thousand percent, because once we get done with the phone call Marty Maraschino is investigating and sees that some flour has been spilled in the kitchen. And then she turns around and
Speaker 2:Right to the face. Just right in between the eyes comes this good guy hammer.
Speaker:The smallest hammer. Yeah,
Speaker 2:it's a pretty little, it's a pretty little hammer. But apparently it's a real hammer because it does some real damage.
Speaker:It does. And the physics behind this. Yes. I will suspend disbelief. I will because it's a movie about a killer doll. Right. But the fact that he hits her so hard in the center of the face that she flies back, it must be at least 10 feet. Oh yeah. She's clearing tables. Like it's at least Like six paces back. And not only that, but she plows through this window
Speaker 2:like she meant to do it, like
Speaker:obliterates the entire facade of it. It's pretty bad ass actually. It's a great stunt. Now that I'm explaining it, like I don't think I have problems with the physics of it because she just blows this window out and we get this great slow motion shot of her just falling. And falling from a beautiful apartment building.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gorgeous from the corner unit of this beautiful apartment building And then she crashes into the roof of a car
Speaker:Excellent stunt too. Yeah. Yeah wonderful practical That's one of the things that I also love about this is just like the practical effects.
Speaker 2:Absolutely
Speaker:so Marty maraschino is dead. Yes. She's no
Speaker 2:more. Sorry aunt maggie.
Speaker:Sorry And then mama comes home from work You And she sees all the police outside. Meets
Speaker 2:every single cop in Chicago. Oh my gosh. So,
Speaker:It's like a frat party is happening in her apartment. Just like a cop frat party. She walks in, there's police everywhere. And half of them aren't doing anything. There's a shot and I challenge you to find it the next time you watch it. There's literally a cop.Sitting on her couch with his feet up on the coffee table reading a newspaper. Is it really? I'm dead serious. These cops ain't doing shit. And she's running around. She's just like, where the fuck is my son? What's happening? And then we find him in the bedroom with Chris Randon.
Speaker 2:Chris Randon is back. Mhm. Being his gorgeous self.
Speaker:His gorgeous nosy self. And he has absolutely no chill when he tells Mama Karen that her best friend is dead. Right, it was Like, she's, she's just like, what's going on? He's like, she's dead. That's it. That's it. Yep. She fell from the, she, she fell from the window. No, no empathy, no nothing. Fucking straight men, dude.
Speaker 2:Straight cis men. Yeah. Straight cis
Speaker:cops.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker:But yeah, so she finds out that her best friend has passed away. And again, Catherine Hicks, like I will sing her praises. I think she performed really well.
Speaker 2:She did too. She's one of the things that made the movie so good is because she gave such a grounding performance.
Speaker:Yeah, she her response like she seems genuinely devastated to the point where She doesn't even really give a shit about what the cops Are trying to do or trying to ask her. She just wants them to get the fuck out even when Chris Sarandon is like there's footprints in the flower and then he checks the bottom of Andy's shoes Which I mean they do match like it's the same pattern the good guy pattern This is
Speaker 2:why the shoes were there in the first place why he goes to bed in them
Speaker:That's true, because we needed the red herring
Speaker 2:right the red
Speaker:herring the red herring but yeah, she's like get the fuck out of my house and she literally slams the door in his face which Right kudos to you mama Get the fuck out of here. But Chucky does realize, Chucky, Andy realizes, Andy realizes that Chucky has flour on the bottom of his shoes.
Speaker 2:Because Andy's already in on the, the stuff that we're not entirely sure of yet. You know, Andy's already well aware of what's happening.
Speaker:Exactly. And now it's just he's trying to get, he's trying to get perceivably shitty adults to understand him at this point. But he says some really funny things that it's just like, you can't be saying that. Like when he's like, Chucky said, Aunt Maggie's a real bitch. She got what she deserved. I'm like, you're not really helping your case here, buddy. I get that you're not the one that said it, but still just
Speaker 2:For us, it's just another clue that maybe Andy's not actually coming up with these things.
Speaker:Yeah, I also just think it's a great fucking line. Oh, it's perfect. Aunt Maggie's a real bitch who got what she deserved. And hearing a child say that is even better. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2:it was shocking at the time.
Speaker:But this is when he does tell his mom that the doll is possessed by Charles Lee Ray. Charles Lee Ray.
Speaker 2:If you were paying attention, you know who that is.
Speaker:Mm hmm. And He just eventually says I'm sorry, mom. I see that you're upset because aunt Maggie is dead and I made this all up. If it'll make you feel better. Right. Poor kid. We're going to go to bed and pretend like everything's okay.
Speaker 2:So apparently mama Karen hasn't been watching the news because she doesn't seem to know who Charles Lee Ray is. I know you
Speaker:would think that such a prominent serial killer was such an iconic name and apparently. In every other movie after this, everybody knows who Charles Lee Ray is. Right, right. So.
Speaker 2:Like he was a prolific serial killer. And the kid drops that name and the mom just doesn't have a light bulb go off.
Speaker:That's because she's too busy working to support her kid. That's right. That's it. That must be what it is. So we do end up waking up the next day and we go to school. Just like everything, just like nothing ever happened actually. Yeah, it is
Speaker 2:kind of
Speaker:like nothing ever happened. I wonder, I mean I doubt it, but I wonder if the pencil dick boss would have given Karen bereavement time. Oh I, no,
Speaker 2:absolutely not. She needs,
Speaker:she needs to unionize.
Speaker 2:She needs to unionize. No, she's expected to work another double the next day. I'm sure.
Speaker:He's probably asking her to cover her shift. Yes. Yeah,
Speaker 2:exactly. I need you to work in shoes tonight. Oh my
Speaker:God, fucking, that would not surprise me. That would not surprise me at all. If like one day he was just like, Nope, you have to stay in your department. And then the next day he's like, well, your best friend died, so you're going to have to cover her shift. Her shift. Oh my God. That would not surprise me. Raise your hand. If you had a boss, I'd probably do that. If you're watching, we both raise our hands. I'm sorry, if you're listening, we both raise our hands. If you're watching, we did too. Yeah, you know. So, So, Mama goes to work, Andy goes to school. and a bunch of kids are bringing their good guy dolls to school. Everybody has a doll.
Speaker 2:And they're massive. They're such, they're large dolls and these children are small. So it's just kind of adorable to watch.
Speaker:These doll heads are literally sometimes bigger than children's heads. Yes. They're pretty massive, massive melons.
Speaker 2:Massive melons. Massive
Speaker:melons. But. So naturally, Andy's bringing his good guy to school and immediately turns right around and walks out. No problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no problem. No, no guards, no teachers, no nothing. Just right out the door. The eighties
Speaker:were wild,
Speaker 2:man. I remember
Speaker:just, just walking right out. Nobody stopped him. And he ends up taking the train by himself,
Speaker 2:which is another thing that you think somebody would notice. I don't know.
Speaker:I will try to limit how often I have to interact with a child.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, yeah, me too.
Speaker:So if I see somebody like Andy on public transit, faring quite fine Like, he looks like he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2:You're not even going to ask, not even worry about it. I mean, if he
Speaker:looks okay, because it's just another thing is just like, I am approaching another person's child, which in itself feels like a suspicious behavior. I understand that. You know? So I don't know if I, now if the child looked like they were in distress, sure. But Andy doesn't look like he's in distress.
Speaker 2:Andy looks like he does this every day of the year.
Speaker:Yeah, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's had to take public transit by himself. That's entirely possible. His mom works a lot. I feel like they're setting up a lot of this. Yes, yes. So anyway, he takes the train to an area of town that is, I can't, I can't remember like what they called it, but it's basically like an encampment for folks who are unhoused. Mm hmm. And ends up going to this house of Eddie Caputo. The most
Speaker 2:important person in this
Speaker:movie. The most important person, not even just the movie, the whole franchise. The whole series. I mean, if you think about it, he did kind of, he is the reason why we're here. Without him, we wouldn't be here. Without him, yeah. It's true. So, whatever. But we get to his house. Ha ha ha. And while we're at his house, Andy's like, Chucky, you stay here. I have to go tinkle.
Speaker 2:He has to tinkle.
Speaker:He has to tinkle. So he puts Chucky on a chair and runs off.
Speaker 2:Just to remind us that he's actually a child, he says the word tinkle.
Speaker 3:Tinkle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he puts Chucky on a chair in the front of the house, and we see him like run behind the house. And then all of a sudden Chucky is no longer in front of the house.
Speaker:Chair's empty, baby.
Speaker 2:So now we're really, we're really catching on. If you're really slow and you're just watching this movie for the first time, now you're like, wait a second. It's
Speaker:hold on.
Speaker 2:I get it. So Chucky is gone.
Speaker:And we go into the house where Eddie Caputo is sleeping amongst rats.
Speaker 2:Yes. On a, on a mattress. I think on the floor is something like that. Like
Speaker:this, this house is it's when the top says I know a place like this is the kind of vibes that we're at. This is the place. Yeah. I may have had a grinder hookup in his house at some point, who knows. So, but what Chucky does is Chucky sneaks in. And this is how we get confirmation. I mean, if you couldn't tell by the fact that the chair is empty we get confirmation because you see the doll's hand. turn on the oven, and then he blows out the pilot light. Yeah, this
Speaker 2:little little like rubber plastic hand turning all of the switches.
Speaker:And so now it's just gas city all up in this kitchen. And this is how I know that Chucky is like smart like this is because I feel like when we think about Horror movie villains and like their main characteristics, right? Like you have michael myers is like pure evil jason vorhees is like unstoppable just like strong and Brutal and you know freddy krueger is just like a wisecrack in Whatever, whatever chucky is so manipulative and he understands the people that he's trying to kill because he knew because it's so risky just to like turn on the gas and hope for the best, right? You know what i'm saying? It's just like this may or may not work This may happen before I leave. Like he had to have full confidence in knowing how Eddie Caputo was going to act. Yeah.
Speaker 2:How he was going to react. And he
Speaker:did because Eddie Caputo ends up getting a little trigger happy. And meanwhile, Andy is like walking around the house looking for Chucky because he realizes he's gone and they must have escaped like just within the nick of time because this house blows the fuck up.
Speaker 2:It does. It's a huge explosion and somehow Andy is not taken out by it
Speaker:despite being like five feet from the front door like moments before it exploded. Yeah. It's movie magic. Movie
Speaker 2:magic, indeed.
Speaker:Movie magic, indeed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Eddie Caputo fires his gun, and you're right. Chucky knew how Eddie was gonna react, and that, you know, blowing out the pilot light and turning the gas on was gonna be what killed Eddie.
Speaker:Mm hmm. And here's the thing. I don't even think, when they came up with this kill, during this movie, that they thought about that. I don't, I just thought that they were like, Oh, this will be like a fun way to do another explosion. You know, I don't think they were just like, we're going to make Chucky a master manipulator I could be wrong. I just think it just happened to be luck that they, that that is something that the character grew to become. It's just like this interesting manipulative genius. I just think they wanted to blow up another building.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure they did. I
Speaker:mean, two explosions in one movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker:Sick. And there's pretty cool. There's also some another cool badass practical stunt that comes up later. But for now, the house exploded. And then we end up at the police station.
Speaker 2:We're at the police station with with all the police milling about again.
Speaker:You
Speaker 2:had 210 of them, all the Chicago police not doing anything.
Speaker:Except Oh, and the thing too like, cause it cuts to mama Karen running into the police department and Chris Sarandon, the copper, is like, Did you go pick up your son yet? And she's like, No, why? And then he takes her into the back room where her son is. And I'm like, You called her and told her to come to the police station. Why
Speaker 2:is she coming there?
Speaker:Without telling her that her son was there?
Speaker 2:Mm hmm.
Speaker:Mom, I smell stunt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I smell stunt too. I don't know. Mm hmm.
Speaker:So, this is when, again, we get Andy really begging the adults in his life to understand him. To
Speaker 2:listen, yeah.
Speaker:Because at this point he's looking mighty sus. They think that he's killed two people now. Right. And he's just like, no, Chucky did it, Chucky did it, Chucky did it. And they're just not believing him, which I guess I can't blame them for. Now that I'm saying that out loud, like I can't blame an adult for not believing their child when they say that a doll killed somebody.
Speaker 2:At the same time, like why would my son travel to this area of town, turn on the gas and blow out a pilot light, and then target this one guy? Who happened
Speaker:to be the getaway driver for the, the, the The serial killer that my son is saying is living in the doll,
Speaker 2:right? You know, like, I don't know, I want to say that I would put these dots together in a way that the people in the movie don't. But at the same time, who knows what I would do?
Speaker:Who knows? I mean, here's the thing. She's working to support her son. That's right. She's a single mother. Mm hmm. That's just gonna be my, that's my excuse for everything. That's for
Speaker 2:everything. Yep. See, and I don't have children for exactly this reason, because if they had an evil doll, who knows what I would do.
Speaker:I know. I have hardly enough brain cells to keep myself alive. That's right. So we're gonna keep that there. Yep. So nobody believes him. And so this fuck ass doctor. Another pencil neck. Another pencil neck is just like, we're gonna keep. Your son overnight. Mm hmm. And so mama Karen Picks up the doll and takes it home
Speaker 2:and and by keep your son overnight. It's kind of like one of those like Facilities, you know like a kind of an asylum type space, you know
Speaker:Locked basically in like a padded room. Yeah. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:So mama Karen takes the doll home and Which
Speaker:why? Like this doll has been the source of so many problems. Like I get maybe if she wants to investigate further, which I think she does. But I just, I, mama, I would have thrown that doll in the trash.
Speaker 2:Well, she spent 30 on it. That's true. That's like
Speaker:how much in the eighties?
Speaker 2:Oh, at least 150.
Speaker:That's true. It's an investment at this point. She's going home to resell it. She's going home to
Speaker 2:resell it. And she's got to keep it. Yeah. She's going to go sell it herself in the back alley. Honestly, it's not like there was ebay
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker 2:There's not like there was internet.
Speaker:We're so spoiled right now. We're so spoiled I would have thrown that shit up on facebook marketplace
Speaker 2:and like come get my haunted child doll My child's haunted doll either way
Speaker:and here's the thing nowadays if you said that it all was haunted that will increase Oh, yeah, people would be like, okay cool. Yeah, because we're fucking stupid Yeah, we're pretty done. I'd buy it.
Speaker 2:I'd buy it too.
Speaker:So she takes this haunted ass doll home and she starts asking him to speak and like I do love this moment of her just like desperately wanting to believe her her child And she's like speak damn it speak speak speak and he's just like hi. I'm chucky wanna play and She has this moment where she thinks that oh god, i'm going crazy And then this is honestly like one of the best sequences of the movie. Like when she discovers, like she picks up the box, the good guy box, and she's looking at it and then the batteries fall out
Speaker 2:and batteries fall out
Speaker:and it like zooms in. It's like that eighties, like zoom onto these batteries. And she realizes that this motherfucking doll has possibly been running without batteries, which is
Speaker 2:pretty terrifying.
Speaker:Absolutely terrifying. Okay.
Speaker 2:She suspects she suspects that her son is telling the truth because the parent wants to believe it's their child You know and now all of a sudden her suspicions are being confirmed.
Speaker:Mm hmm all the while looking great I'm just gonna throw this out there. I love this outfit that she's wearing. It is a good outfit. I talked about it before. I want that peach cardigan that she has. Yes, the peach cardigan. It's like this really beautiful, like it's all, it's so crisp too. Mm-Hmm. It's like this peach cardigan. A white t-shirt, a gray skirt and Kneehigh boots. And those boots. There's lots of Kneehigh boots in this. Mm-Hmm. But yeah, so while looking great, she realizes no batteries at all. Dog
Speaker 2:doesn't have batteries in it.
Speaker:So she goes to check and she opens up the back and lo and behold, it is empty. And then we get an exorcist moment.
Speaker 2:Yes. Where the head turns around.
Speaker:What does he say? He says, hi, I'm Chucky. Want to play? Is that the line that it goes out? And then we get such a funny shot.
Speaker 2:Oh, she drops it out of fear and the doll itself rolls under the couch.
Speaker:Yeah. It's I just, I just think about the setup cause it's, it's meant to look like the doll intentionally rolls. Like he's, he's rolling away from her, but like, I just think of the setup cause they had like this incline, this whole setup and they tried it so many times just to get the doll to hit the floor and roll the right way. I just, that's so funny to me. And you can
Speaker 2:kind of tell that that's what's going on, you know, but yeah, yeah. It's a great shot of the doll rolling away from her.
Speaker:So she goes and looks under the couch and he's there and she grabs him and she's just like. fucking talk to me, damn it. And she turns on the fireplace and she lights a match and gets the fire going. And she's like, talk to me, damn it. Or I'll throw you in the fire. And then we get a magical moment.
Speaker 2:We do. It's the first time that we get Chucky as Chucky.
Speaker:Chucky as Chucky. Brad Dourif's voice. And it, in my opinion, is the best introduction to this character that we could have gotten because he says, You stupid bitch. You filthy slut. I'll teach you to fuck with me.
Speaker 2:That's right. Ugh. And
Speaker:the way Brad Dorff, I mean
Speaker 2:Yeah, the way he delivers everything. I mean, you honestly are afraid. Yeah.
Speaker:And turned on a little bit. Oh yeah, that too. I'm sorry. Like, That man's voice, oof. Mm hmm. So, yeah, so she starts struggling with him. He's like, ahhh, doing his, his Chucky
Speaker 2:thing. The puppet, puppeteers are, you know, making, making Chucky move and the actress is, you know, fighting with this doll. And
Speaker:it's funny because there's some points where you can tell it's like a hand puppet. Right. She's like. She's like, ahh! It's like one of those things where it's like, no, stop!
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker:It's so funny. Oh, sorry. It's funny, but it's also effective. It's
Speaker 2:very effective. And when he turns around and he says, you stupid bitch, you filthy slut, it's the last thing you expect an adorable little doll to say. It is shocking and it's scary, you know?
Speaker:And that moment right there is probably why parents across the country would freak out about this movie. Oh yeah. Like that line, just like this children's toy saying such degrading, filthy things. Um, God, Christian Holmes in America wept. Good job, Don. Good job, team. So yeah, they're struggling, and he bites her. And this moment is, Something like the shot of him biting her and her screaming is one of those things that's like burned into my core memories Oh, yeah. Yeah, like ever since I was a child, like if you if you ever said Chucky, I would think about a my diaper Well, yeah, I would think about that moment where like he bites her and she screams
Speaker 2:Interesting that at that particular moment is In your head for some reason. I mean, it's scary. It is.
Speaker:Well, I think it's the first time we physically see Chucky committing like a violent act. Yeah. Cause everything else is either implied or done off screen. Right. But with this one, we actually see Chucky doing the damage and you're just like, Oh my God, it could hurt me. It could. So he bites her and her reaction, I understand, she fucking chucks him across the room. And he books it out of the apartment. And he takes the elevator. He takes
Speaker 2:the elevator,
Speaker:which is so funny to me.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, think of his little legs going down the stairs.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker 2:Right? Like he, that, that is even more amusing to me.
Speaker:You know what I would love to see though, is like just like a fan film of you That whole thing that we just watched and then her running out and watching the elevator come down and then it cuts to just Chucky and standing in the elevator and there's some
Speaker 2:music on it's like elevator music. I would
Speaker:love to see something like that cause that's how it is in my head is he's just sitting there. There's elevator music and he's just kind of like waiting and waiting while she's booking it down the stairs. And alas, she does not beat the elevator down to the bottom. Of course she does. She does not. And he's gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that's, this is one of those facts that I really enjoy. When Chucky is running around like that in the apartment and he's, he runs out of the apartment, that is actually being played by the boy who plays Andy's younger sister, who was like four at the time. And they dressed her up as a good guy down, put a wig on her and had her running around playing Chucky. That's right.
Speaker:That is fun. God, using children,
Speaker 2:using children, child labor. You don't really have to pay them that well.
Speaker:No, you don't. They're just happy to be there. That's right. Honestly, if I was a child, if I was like two years old and someone had said, put this on and run around, I'd be like, fuck yeah, absolutely. 100%. No, that's so true. I forgot about that, especially in the scene with Marty Maraschino in the background too.
Speaker 2:Yep. That's, that's Andy Barclay's real life. His little sister.
Speaker:kid sister, kid sister. So she gets outside the apartment building and she realizes that she lost him. So she goes to find the detective.
Speaker 5:Mm-Hmm. The copper.
Speaker:The copper. And she is now on her son's side. Mm-Hmm. Obviously like she, she's caught on, she's seen enough. Mm-Hmm. So she tries to get the cop to. Get on with her and he doesn't believe her even when she shows him her bite mark, which again I don't know if I could blame him. I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think with the brain of somebody who doesn't know this universe. No, I'm just going to shit on them. He should believe her. Believe women, believe women's stories. Anyway, so. He's no help. And so she runs off and he's like, where are you going? And I just love the way she says to find Chucky, to find
Speaker 2:Chucky.
Speaker:The subtext of that is basically like you fucker. You're not going to help me. I'm going to do it myself. And I love the way she says that. So we get this montage of her looking to find Chucky.
Speaker 2:The eighties loved a montage, all the
Speaker:pantomiming. And she's just like, yeah, she's like, it's all silence. but anyway, she ends up back at the encampment where we meet the peddler,
Speaker 2:the peddler, I think is what they, I feel like I'm not making that up. It must be what he's called in the credits or something. Okay. Why would I say peddler?
Speaker:I mean, he's peddling good.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. The peddler. Yeah, she runs into the man who sold her the doll in the first place.
Speaker:And so she's trying to get information. She's like, where'd you get it? Where'd you get it? Where'd you get it? And he's like, well, what do you got for me?
Speaker 2:Right? He wants money or cash or
Speaker:something else. Cause when she says, this is all I have. And I think it's maybe like three bucks. He's like, he's that's not all you have. And then we get, this is like the one part of the movie that I'm just like, I don't want this. Cause he tries to assault her. Right. Which is, I fucking hate that shit. I mean, who wouldn't I guess? Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it's just Fuck that. Yeah. But Copper shows up
Speaker 2:just in the nick of time to save the day
Speaker:He chucks the guy out and well before he chucks the guy out He like punches him a few times as cops do. And then he says like this stupid fucking like cop line. That's like, what about the rest of y'all? You want to party too? Do you want to part? It's like such an eighties, like fuck off. cop line masculine,
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker:Just no nonsense, whatever. But he ends up getting the information from the peddler that he found the doll at the blown up toy store.
Speaker 2:Blown up toy store from the beginning of the movie, which at this point we all expected him to say,
Speaker:yeah, yeah. So the cop needs to catch up.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker:Yeah. It's come on. He's the only one who's not with us. Of course you're behind. And finally, the cop starts putting two and two together. Finally. For the first time in this fucking movie, somebody realizes, Oh, Charles Lee Ray, toy store, good guy doll, Charles Lee Ray. Right. Maybe it's Charles Lee Ray.
Speaker 2:Maybe it is. It's a circle. You know, the diagram is a circle. It starts with Charles. It ends with Charles. And of course, if we haven't mentioned it, this is the cop that killed Charles Lee Ray. That's right. We haven't said that. It's the same cop.
Speaker:Yeah. It's the same cop. Yeah, I, I cannot believe that I, yes, this whole time it's been the same. Can't believe we didn't
Speaker 2:mention that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean. I feel like it goes without saying. I hope
Speaker:so. But if you get to this point and you were confused now, you know, that's right. It was the same cop.
Speaker 2:You've caught up with us catching up.
Speaker:Well, I mean, I think going back and forth between Chris Sarandon, copper detective, fuck off, whatever. Right, right. Whatever.
Speaker 2:It made it again, another circle.
Speaker:I'll do better next time. So it is the same cop and he tells the mama Karen Oh yeah, I killed Charles Lee, right. And. He said that he was gonna kill me and Eddie Caputo. Right? who just died. Who blew up?
Speaker 4:Mm-Hmm. Mm-Hmm.
Speaker:It's ah. And so finally the mother is being smart about it and she's like, okay, well now I know that the doll is Chucky and I don't know what she's planning on doing with that information. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure either,
Speaker:but she knows. Mm-Hmm. Meanwhile after the cop drops her off, he ends up driving and, oh.
Speaker 2:Someone's in the backseat. Someone's in the backseat. Someone's in the backseat. Which, oh,
Speaker:we
Speaker 2:both same thought.
Speaker:I'll let you say it. Go for it. Someone's in the backseat.
Speaker 2:Alright, so the movie is Urban Legend. And there's that urban legend of someone that pulling up to a gas station and in this movie version, there's a creepy gas station attendant with a horrible stutter and she's scared of him and he's trying to get her attention and that just makes her more frightened because he's panicking and it turns out that he's been trying to tell her that there's somebody in her back seat the whole time and this character is played by
Speaker:Brad Dourif.
Speaker 2:Look at that. Who's the voice of Chucky? Who's Charles Lee Ray? I love how we
Speaker:both have that at that same moment. Yeah, I think just saying someone's in the backseat three times just triggered. It's a fun little Easter egg for y'all. But in this case, Chuckie's in the backseat, Chuckie's
Speaker 2:in the backseat this time. So
Speaker:he tries killing the cop and we get another sick practical like car. It's not even a car chase. It's just Yeah. Recklessly driving.
Speaker 2:Yes. Because why hit the brake? Why hit the brake? Why hit the brake? Why pull over?
Speaker:Just pedal to the metal. You'll figure it out. But all the while Chuckie's like trying to strangle him and then he gets a knife and he starts stabbing from under the seat. And that's something that scares me. Really? Is just like, a below, like a beneath me kind of attack.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, yeah, that is pretty, pretty scary.
Speaker:Yeah. Cause he narrowly misses the cop's junk
Speaker 2:several times. And
Speaker:so we get this really funny shot though, of Chris surrounded, like trying to drive with both of his feet up on the dashboard and he's like driving like crazy until eventually the car flips over also done practically.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes. Another practical effect.
Speaker:So badass. And then we get this fun sequence where Chucky is just running around, fucking with the cop, taunting him. And at this point, Chucky is just like, you can't hurt me. You can't hurt me. Cause he's just I'm a doll. I don't have human body parts, but lo and behold, the cop ends up shooting Chucky and ow, does it fucking hurt? Right.
Speaker 2:It does hurt.
Speaker:So Chucky scurries off.
Speaker 2:And there, I think there is blood. Yep. And Chucky's what the fuck is this?
Speaker:Exactly. So what ends up happening next? I think, Oh, this is what the mom was going to do with the um, the information because she found out Charles Lee Ray's address.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, she was going to go check out the house.
Speaker:She does like the typical white woman investigating trope that we get a lot in these horror movies. You know, like the ring and like shit like that. Child's Play did it first we see this mural of who we later find out his name, John, but this man, who's like a voodoo teacher,
Speaker 2:as many people named John are
Speaker:it's a mural of him, but it's also Oh, it says, Oh, thank you. Mighty Damballa for life after death. So the voodoo pieces are coming together. But while she's reading this, we get the silhouette behind her, which we know isn't Chucky cause it's human sized. So I guess it's not too scary, but it's the cop.
Speaker 2:It is the cop who has come to the house because now he's kind of on the same page. Kind of.
Speaker:After getting attacked.
Speaker 2:Yeah. He's, he's with us now.
Speaker:But they ended up finding out that Chucky is in the stall because of voodoo.
Speaker 2:So tell us how you feel about that.
Speaker:I feel similarly to like how Don feels about it. Like, I'm not crazy. Like Sure. As a, a plot, like a mechanic to make things that you want to happen, happen. Sure. But like, voodoo doesn't have to be voodoo because it's just, it's, it's, it's just, it's a misrepresentation of an entire uh, precious and special practice to a group of people that is not represented in this movie.
Speaker 2:You're right.
Speaker:You're right. Beyond the mystical Negro trope that we're about to get. So it's it's lazy in my opinion. And it's appropriative and exploitative. And I, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. Mm hmm.
Speaker:Mm
Speaker 2:hmm.
Speaker:But it's here.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And wasn't supposed to be in the original movie, you know, with the blood buddy and everything. Exactly. Yeah. This was something that got, you know, added and I feel the same way that you do. It's, it's exploitative and you know, you mentioned earlier, satanic panic. And so we're talking about something that's not, you know, you know, of a Christian faith and, and people were terrified of it. So it's just you know, reaffirming these fears that folks had. And it's just kind of icky.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Gives you the ick.
Speaker:Exactly. And it's just, it's very typical of like the eighties and the nineties to take something like that and not. treat it with care and love and research and understanding. They're just like, Oh, Damballa, that's the name of a God. And here's a black man. Here's a black man. It's voodoo now, you know, it's, but here it is, you know, as part of it. And I think, you know, Don himself understands, that's one of his angles against it and just doesn't really rely too much on it. from, for many points of it beyond just the incantation and focusing on Damballa instead of making it like, oh there is the voodoo for dummies thing. Which I think is hilarious. Yeah. Because I feel like he's making it tongue in cheek. That's exactly it. He like turns it on just like a, oh like this, Is here because it's stupid. But I personally I'm not crazy about the voodoo or its representation in this first movie. Yeah Because we now get chucky For which it's cool. Like we get the first full view of chucky like Unfiltered just him moving when he visits john, but we also get the whole again the mystical negro trope, which Everybody loved to throw in these movies. It's like they come in they have a mystical purpose and then they die and then they're gone Yeah, which is exactly what happens here.
Speaker 2:And it's usually a violent death.
Speaker:Mm hmm. He's here for exposition. Yeah so Chucky's just like hey, I got shot it fucking hurts like what's going on and so John is like well you're corrupting this body. It's turning human. Like you have to leave it. Otherwise you will be human in that body.
Speaker 2:But the caveat is that the only person that he can put his soul into is the first person that he, in a sense came out to, and that happens to be Andy,
Speaker:which leads to a very uncomfortable line.
Well, John, it's been fun, but I gotta go. I have a date with a six year old boy.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker:Awful. Awful. So yeah, Chuckie's just like, okay, well shit, I have to come out or I have to put my soul into this child. Thanks for the information, doc. I'm going to kill you now because you offended me. And he ends up killing him in a really fucked up way too. Speaking of just like, you know, the. voodoo as a plot device. He fucking pulls out a voodoo doll of the doctor and just like start snapping legs and stabs them
Speaker 2:and stabs them. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I don't, I want to say it wouldn't fly today.
Speaker:I don't think it would. No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. And Thankfully, we only really get it like this in this movie. Like moving forward, the mechanic of Damballa and all that becomes a little bit campier and more tongue in cheek, like you said, so it's less reliant on the notion of it being like traditional voodoo and stuff. But before John dies Mama Karen comes through and he has one final mystical task before he leaves this movie, and that is to tell the mother how to kill Chucky.
Speaker 2:Which is through the heart.
Speaker:Through the heart. You
Speaker 2:gotta get him in the
Speaker:heart. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2:Which makes sense.
Speaker:I think so too. That would kill
Speaker 2:me.
Speaker:That would kill me. That would kill me. So he dies, unfortunately. And then we cut to Oh my god, Chuckie or not Chuckie Andy. What has Andy been up to this whole time?
Speaker 2:I forgot about him completely. Yeah. He's locked away in a, in a cell, basically, you know, a hospital cell.
Speaker:But he looks out the window and he sees um, his sister probably, it's like, it's like a full human ass size, person in a Chucky costume like running up the stairs, which is funny
Speaker 2:and this poor kid is terrified.
Speaker:Oh my god. This is actually a really heartbreaking thing. He's like beating against the door. He's sobbing. He's like, he's gonna kill me.
Speaker 2:Nobody will listen. Nobody will listen to the kid because kids obviously don't know what they're talking about. And yeah, it is heart wrenching because the idea of being trapped somewhere, I mean, that's another scary component, you know, for any adult watching, for anybody watching, is can you imagine being somewhere that you can't get out of and you know they're coming for you? You know, something's coming for you.
Speaker:Knowing that you're in danger and the only people that can provide you with salvation just are not listening to you.
Speaker 2:It's a very helpless feeling.
Speaker:So Chucky ends up getting his hands on the keys to Andy's room. He just like sneaks them.
Speaker 2:He just sneaks them. With that little plastic hand
Speaker:again. With that little plastic hand he sneaks them. And he gets into Andy's room, but Andy knows he's coming. And Andy ends up When Chucky, like Chucky goes to the bed, Which looks really sick when we get the shot of Chucky Walking onto the bed to like, Get andy right, but andy was like hiding somewhere and he like runs out and then we get this other funny shot Through the door of somebody who's very clearly in the chucky costume with the chucky mask and andy locks him in Andy locks him in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see andy might be what is he six or seven something
Speaker:like that? I think he's six,
Speaker 2:but he's catching on
Speaker:he's catching on and he ends up. Running into like uh Was it a science lab? It's not a science lab. Was it like an operating room or something?
Speaker 2:It's some vague doctor space. A vague doctor space. Yeah.
Speaker:With scalpels and stuff. Because fucking Andy grabs one of these and this makes me so nervous because that motherfucker is tripping over everything in that room. Yeah, he does fall down. He's holding a sharp as fuck object y'all like Scalpels are mighty sharp. They are indeed. Like sharp within a steak knife and stuff, you know, and he's tripping over IV machines and all this stuff, like falling over bed pots or whatever. Those bed pans, bed pans, the toilets, the toilet. Yeah. And all while holding a sharp object. And I'm like, whose idea was it to give a child? It's like, it's go run with scissors. Yes, please. But he's terrified. He is absolutely terrified.
Speaker 2:He's a good little actor too.
Speaker:He really is.
Speaker 2:He reminds me of Danny from The Shining.
Speaker:Do you think it's the haircut?
Speaker 2:I think it's the haircut.
Speaker:I think so, too. Yeah,
Speaker 2:and you know, just being a little white boy with brown hair and a haircut, you know. They all look the same. Mm hmm. For me, they all do. Mm hmm. My brother had that haircut forever. My mother liked keeping his hair kind of long.
Speaker:Oh, really? Yeah, so
Speaker 2:he had that like bowl, shaggy bowl. Mm hmm.
Speaker:I mean, that was kind of a good look, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker:It's a very kid look.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Very young.
Speaker:Yeah. Very young.
Speaker 2:Because then after that you got to get your first big boy haircut. You know. That's right. Because
Speaker:the bowl haircut is less scary than the big boy haircut. With the bzzzzzzz. That's right. That's exactly what it is. That makes sense. Yep. But you know what's scarier than a big boy haircut?
Speaker 2:A doll.
Speaker:Trying to kill you. Yeah. Which is what's happening right now. So yeah. This motherfucker's tripping over everything. and the doctor comes in and immediately goes to sedate him right like not listening to him. Nothing. He goes to sedate him and then Chucky sneaks up and does one of we've talked about this my like a horror movie ick of mine is when Somebody goes for the ankles or like the the lower half of the leg, especially the Achilles tendon
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get that tendon there with yes Chucky
Speaker:does that to this doctor which Cool,
Speaker 2:right the doctor had it coming
Speaker:talk about it coming. This doctor fucking gets fried dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah with the AED, right the Defibrillators. No, it's
Speaker:so okay. Here's the thing. to me this feels like a clap back from the queer community cause it's like it was one of those caps that was used for um, electro shock therapy. It's one of those things. And if anybody here if you're here, you probably know when like being gay was considered like a mental illness
Speaker 2:up until the seventies, they
Speaker:would fucking put people through electroshock therapy to try to convert them and stuff. Um, So. You know, this movie being written by a queer man, a doctor dying through an electroshock therapy helmet. Yep. I think it's poetic. I like it. I'm down with it. So he dies. Mm hmm. And it's pretty nasty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and all of this is practical effects because there were no CGI, there was no CGI at the time, really, to speak of. So, you know, this is uh, gosh, I can't remember the name of the guy who does all the special effects.
Speaker:Was it Kevin Yeager?
Speaker 2:Was it Kevin Yeager? Who marries
Speaker:Yeah, who marries Katherine Hicks.
Speaker 2:So, all the, I think all the practical effects were done by Kevin Yeager.
Speaker:Kevin Yeager. I know he definitely did like, the animatronics and stuff for Chucky. Mm hmm. I don't know if he did the, all of the special effects, though. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to name drop, but I don't know the name.
Speaker:Well, whoever did them, good job. They were amazing. They were amazing.
Speaker 2:Mm hmm.
Speaker:I'm gonna get better at that. As somebody, as somebody who like does special effects and makeup for movies, I should pay more attention. Yeah. But I'm also kind of narcissistic.
Speaker 2:Well, we also just watch these things and accept them as real half the time. I mean, you know, it's like, we don't even think of them as effects because I'm like, wow, that guy really just got fried, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if it's not Tom Savini, I don't know who it is.
Speaker:That's true. Or Rick Baker. Or fucking who did, oh, we'll get to it later. The effects are great. Even the mashed potato clouds. The mashed potato
Speaker 2:clouds are great too. They remind me of Ghostbusters. Yes, yes,
Speaker:yes, yes, yes. So yeah, Doc gets charred up and Andy runs home.
Speaker 2:Runs home. Maybe he takes the bus again.
Speaker:Maybe he takes the bus. Who knows? Or the
Speaker 2:train. He knows how to get around.
Speaker:Mm hmm. But Mama knows that that's where he's going. So she's heading there. But while Andy gets home, Chucky breaks in through the chimney. He like, drops down. Howdy ho ho ho. You know, like a little mischievous Santa Claus. And he uses a good guy bat, baseball bat. Teeny
Speaker 2:little baseball bat.
Speaker:Teeny little baseball bat. And he knocks Andy out for the, the ritual.
Speaker 2:The ritual of putting his soul inside Andy's body.
Speaker:So we get yet another of many incantations of Ade Due Dambala. And while this is happening, Mama and copper are breaking into the apartment.
Speaker 2:May I just say that I love so much that the incantation is two sentences. That's it. It's not a big complicated thing. It's, it's not some like, okay, I've got to get out my paper, my Latin, my nope. It's auto do a Damballa. Give me the power. I beg of you. That's it. And Damballa is like, yeah, sure. Here. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker:Well, what's funny is I think initially, like the first time we hear it done there's some more that comes through in French.
Speaker 2:Oh, is there?
Speaker:Yes. But it devolves as the series progresses to just that, to just, ah, they do a Dumballa. Give me the power. I beg of you. Yeah. And then pretty simple, but also Chucky gets interrupted doing this incantation almost every fucking time. So all we ever get to hear is odd day, do a dumbbell. Give me the power. I beg of you. Right. Maybe there's more. Everything that comes after that is inconsequential because we never have, we never get to hear it. That's true. Yeah. And it gets interrupted right now because mom and Karen picks Chucky up and yeets him across the room. Yeah, that's right. She loves throwing him around.
Speaker 2:I love the word yeet.
Speaker:Oh yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what she does. She yeets Chucky.
Speaker:Mhm. And then Chucky comes back and slices a motherfuckin Chris Sarandon in the back of the leg. In the
Speaker 2:back of the leg again. Yeah, that was, it was a popular thing.
Speaker:It was, but this one wasn't attendant. Cause he's still,
Speaker 2:Cause he can get up.
Speaker:Exactly. But because he's out of commission, he just up and gives a gun to Karen. Right. One of his extra guns. Here you go. Trusting the single mother who he may or may not have worked a gun before. Right. Who knows. He just gives her the gun. And He ends up like going to pursue Chucky and gets knocked out with a baseball bat too. That baseball bat's like a champ.
Speaker 2:I remember they used to give away these little baseball bats at Yankee Stadium, you know, if you were like the first hundred people in. And that's exactly what it looks like to me. This little toy baseball bat that weighed, you know, two pounds. I mean, he's got a lot of power in that swing. If he's knocking people out with that
Speaker:bat. He has the power of Damballa.
Speaker 2:He
Speaker:does. You're
Speaker 2:right. You're right. That explains it.
Speaker:Yes, it does. And so what ends up happening next? What does end up happening next? I get it all jumbled up in my brain. Um, There's like a little bit of a chase scene, a scruffle, and then she throws him in the fireplace. Right. And this is when we get absolutely fucking feral Chucky. Yes. Like I, this is terrifying simply based off of the sounds of Chucky just
Speaker 3:being like, yeah,
Speaker:it's scary. He's banging against it. Like he is he's a little maniac. Yeah, it's actually quite good. It is good. It is so good and
Speaker 2:having just rewatched it I was really impressed with the puppetry and everything. I was like, this is this is very good. Yeah,
Speaker:it's like it's insane So mama Karen is like struggling to hold the the fireplace And, you know, the matches, of course, fell too far away from her so she can't reach him. So, Andy has to come in, he walks up and he lights the match, and Chucky, like on a fucking dime sociopath, he goes from like, uh,
Speaker 2:uh, uh, Andy? No! I thought we were friends to the end, right?
Speaker:And then we get this is such a cringe line, but it's fine. And he goes, this is the end friend. And then he drops the match in. And then now we get a feral Chucky on fire. A feral Chucky on fire. A feral flaming Chucky. And another really bad ass practical stunt. Yeah. Especially when you can tell it's like a thick Chucky because it's like somebody wearing a fire suit. But he like runs around, he goes straight for the couch, he climbs on top of it and then he just starts like flailing and like freaking out on the ground. Trying
Speaker 2:to light as many things on fire as possible for the stunt. Mm hmm.
Speaker:And apparently, I guess the mother forgot that we have to shoot him in the heart because she's like, all right, it's done. Yeah, yeah. It's done. So they go to the cop. And Andy goes back to the living room to grab a first aid kit and he notices Oh, Chuckie's body,
Speaker 2:Chuckie's
Speaker:gone. Yeah. And then we get. this is probably my favorite shot of the whole film where he trips Andy and Andy's on the ground and he looks up and it's just like this charred ass Chucky with a knife, slowly walking, moving at him, like slowly walking towards him. Mm-Hmm. I just think it's such a badass shot. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It looks so good. Mm-Hmm. And then so we get another chase scene where this one references the shining quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Right. Right.
Speaker:Cause we get the mother leaning against the door trying to hold it shut
Speaker 2:and he's stabbing the knife through the door and it gets closer and closer to her each time. I'd stop holding the door personally.
Speaker:Yeah. I would
Speaker 2:hold it with my feet maybe from further away.
Speaker:Well the thing is because it's a door that she's trying to hold it towards her because it opens. She's
Speaker 2:pulling them things. But it's like
Speaker:you can just like, you know, Right. Just grab it and like lean your body away from the door and let the weight of your body do it. But she's flirting with depth because it's getting closer and closer to her face and she is lucky he gave up when he did because he was one more strike away from getting her. That's right. I'm like, girl, come on, Jesus. but yes, so Chucky ends up, they end up back in the living room. That's In this chase scene, and this is when we find out that Mama Karen is like an expert marksman.
Speaker 2:Apparently she has been to the shooting range a lot.
Speaker:A lot, a lot.
Speaker 2:Because she
Speaker:knocks off a leg, an arm.
Speaker 2:Yep, she's just taking Chucky out one limb at a time.
Speaker:A head. She knocks his head off. And then she, she does shoot him twice in the torso. But we don't get blood. We just get stuffing.
nothing but stuff in nothing but stuff, nothing but stuffing. So they go back into the room to link up with this. The cop did nothing here. Yeah. No, he didn't do anything. Of course. He provided the gun. Are we surprised? All the cop did was provided, goes hand a. A gun over. shocking. And then another cop who we never mentioned up until this point, really unimportant kind of just a mustache on legs. That's exactly what he is. That's all you see is a mustache. He's like the sidekick to the main cop. So he comes in, just bursting out of nowhere into another human's home. I mean, they did it earlier in this movie, so I guess it makes sense. And then Chucky. Ends up attacking him. Yeah. Do the great through the great, which is how this cop finally accepts the fact that there is indeed a killer doll. On the loose. Because he almost got killed by the killer dog. But the funny part for me about this is like, while the cop is getting attacked by Chucky's body, Chucky's head is like over in the corner and he's like, kill him, joke him, kill him, get him. Acting the body. You're leading. Yeah, it's so fucking funny. And so the cop. Mustache, we'll just call him mustache. The end of this movie. Mustache throws Chucky off of him. And finally, somebody shoots Chucky in the heart. And we know because blood splatters everywhere. Right. Fucking everywhere. And we get this really creepy. Final line read from Chucky Hi, I'm Chucky. Wanna play? It's really creepy. Yeah, it is creepy. It's pretty creepy, but that means chalky died. Yup. He's officially dead. Shot him in the heart. And then we get this fucking line where Chris ran ins like, do you believe me now? And mustache is like, well, yeah, but who's going to believe me. So stupid. So fuck it. But I guess it like sets up like the next movie. With all the bullshit that happens. Spoiler alert. Nobody believes them. Nobody believes nobody believes that. Maybe. Maybe, I don't know. I'd like to say, so. But yeah, that's it, you know, they all leave. We end with a fucking freeze frame on Andy looking back through the door. I don't know if it's supposed to be ominous, andy's possess now, or if it's just Andy's fucked up forever now. Yeah, that's how I get. Okay. I get that like this, this child is going to be messed up for the rest of its life. And boy is he. Because we have a SQL coming up. Many many, many SQL many sequels spanning literal decades. Yeah. So that's it. That's child's play. Everybody. Yeah. Overall What do you think? I think this movie has gotten scarier for me as I've gotten older, really? Because when I was younger, you know, when I was little, when I first watched it, it was just about a scary doll. Now that I'm older, it's about having your child taken away from you. And having people not believe you and, you know, being you know, locked away against your, your will and, and there's other aspects of it that are more frightening to me now than, you know, a doll running around on the lease, which is still pretty scary. That's true, I think. Yeah, because when you're younger, you don't really think about themes like that and what the implications are really are. Like you more, so just think oh, this is the immediate threat. Is the villain. And all the other stuff that happens is just secondary. Right. there's no, Damage from it. Right? Cause the real damage is coming from the killer, but the reality is. The damage here is coming from all ends. Yep. You. You know, and yeah, you're right. The older you get the. More able to clock that. Yeah. Interesting. I never thought about it that way. Cause I'm, I'm very much of the camp of like, When it comes to the first entry of a franchise. More often than not. It like the first entry is not going to be my favorite. And I'm going to find it probably the most boring. Um, Of the franchises. And that's just because it's a not necessarily made to be a franchise. So like a lot of the exposition is typically dumped over time and like the pacing. Like when you're already familiar with the story and just like the pacing is it's it's it seems a bit slow. And I'm impatient. Um, But what I can say is like there, I definitely have an appreciation for this film. Revisiting it, I love looking at the effects. I think the effects really hold up. Like they really do. They're quite good. Like the, the practical effects and even the puppetry. All of it's great. Yep. Does it scare me? Well, now that you said what you said, it's more like an existential fear now. That's exactly it. Well, especially like right now. You know, and it's, it's interesting. Cause we sit here and we shit on consumerism and capitalism. It's not any better now. It's not, it's just, we want from TV commercials about cereal to like social media influencers selling you like fucking cereal, cereal. Yeah. Like mouth oil or whatever. You know, Shadow work journals like, oh my goodness. It's the same. It's the same shit. Just like repackage. Yep. So, Yeah, it wouldn't be. I guess it's not too far off. You're right. There is that existential notion. Would you say that this movie has a bit of a limp wrist? Do you think this entry is a bit queer? I do think it's a bit queer. Yeah. Yeah, just, you know, The having a family, that's not the traditional nuclear family. Is a little queer. You mentioned the potential lesbian coding between the, the women and that's, that's a possibility. You even mentioned the doctor dying of the electroshock therapy helmet. So, yeah, there's definitely queer components in there. I would agree. This movie was written by a gay man. So just innately. There is a queer factor to it, whether that was watered down by, you know, CIS het men coming in and taking over the project. Right. It's still rooted. From a queer place, you know, and I agree just like the non traditional nuclear family It's still anti-family values, which to me always has some sort of queer. Twinge to it. There's still, you know, an element of rebellion to it, which yes, I support. Well, excellent. I had a lot of fun. Thank you. Yeah. So next time we are going to be talking about what's probably. Like one of my most favorites of the franchise. Yeah. Yeah. Child's play too. I love child's play too. Childsplay too. It's dead. It's different. It's very different. Yeah. And so we have lots of talk about there until then. Donnie, where can our listeners find you? You can find me on Instagram at the Donnie Cianciotto and you can find me in Queens. That's true. We love Queens. There's some great food in Queens. Or some amazing food and queen amazing fucking. I mean Queens. Well, I'm crabby, but you can find me at crying underscore in underscore public. And of course you can follow horror icon at horror icon pod. W H O R R O R icon pod. Uh, Instagram, the Twitter, all of the above. So until next time, cuties, thank you so much. And don't be scared. Unless you're into that sort of thing. Hey. Bye.
