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Chucky goes to Military School! CryBaby and Donnie are back, and this time we’re stumbling through military jargon while watching Child’s Play 3. In this celebratory yet highly critical episode we chat about the classic 90’s tropes, toxic masculinity, and of course, CryBaby can’t stop gushing over Don Mancini. Whether you like this movie or not, there's no denying its place in the franchise and in our hearts. 



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Speaker:

What is your podcast about? Hanging out with your smartest and funniest friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody but um, Baby

CryBaby:

Hey cuties, and welcome back to Whorror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. You know me, I'm cry baby. the spooky slot from your wettest nightmare.

Donnie:

And I am Donnie Cianciotto the spooky slut from CryBaby's wettest nightmare

CryBaby:

ha 100%. So, For For those of you who are watching, you may notice that I look a little bit

little bit

CryBaby:

Um, I am in my Masc presenting thembo form.

Donnie:

Yes, boy drag.

CryBaby:

Yeah, boy drag And that's because that's because Mama's booked. Very booked, very blessed, very stressed.

Donnie:

All three of those things, they go together.

CryBaby:

A Thousand percent. Like, I just came from one of my jobs, and I have another one tonight. And this is so delicately sandwiched in between, so I had no time to get into drag or get out of drag.

Donnie:

Well, it's fun. It's nice to see, you know, the you behind the you.

CryBaby:

That's true. true, this is the baby behind the cry. But yeah, that's, that's my pulling back the curtain moment today.

Donnie:

We'll probably have more of those.

CryBaby:

There's gonna going to be so many, like, we're doing reshoots on the horror movie that we shot last summer, and I'm in the middle of a character design, character redesign, And it's a it's a lot of work.

Donnie:

like a lot of work.

CryBaby:

Yeah, but it looks pretty badass. I'll send you the video. I had the actor come in and try it on yesterday. And um, it looks pretty fun.

Donnie:

Well, I, I saw some of the stuff that you did when you were shooting it last summer, and it looked amazing.

CryBaby:

Thank you. All in the name of horror.

Donnie:

yes

CryBaby:

speaking of horror, we are continuing our exploration, examination, and celebration of Child's Play. With the third installment, Child's Play 3,

Donnie:

Child's Play 3. whether you like it or not.

CryBaby:

whether you like it or not, and I believe that there's quite a lot of people out there that are on the side of or

Donnie:

Or not. yeah. Where do you fall? Do you, do you fall on the side of or not?

CryBaby:

Um, no. So, here's the thing. I personally don't feel like there is a bad movie in the franchise. I don't. I think with all of them there is something to enjoy. There's something to celebrate. There's entertaining elements. this movie does have a special place in my heart. I talked about it when we talked about why we chose Child's Play. It's like the first horror movie I remember watching. So, I will always have some sort of soft spot for Child's Play 3.

Donnie:

I can't say I have that with this one, but it is, like you said, I don't think there's a bad movie, a standalone bad movie in the franchise.

CryBaby:

It's just that this one is, it's the weakest, You know, and looking at how it got made, it was made less than a year after the second one came out, so it feels very first drafty.

Donnie:

Yes, it does. It does feel first drafty. It probably, maybe it was.

CryBaby:

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, even just the notion of it taking place on a military academy, that just feels so innately, like. 90s first draft idea.

Donnie:

Oh, for some reason it was such a popular especially like a military school for, for delinquent kids. And to set a Chucky movie like in a, in a location like that, It was kind of like they had a whole bunch of things and they picked it out of a hat and said, We're going to go ahead and do this.

CryBaby:

I'm not against the idea, totally. Because I do like the exploration of just like the strict, rigid idea of like what masculinity is, and what being an adult is, and I think that there is something to play with and explore there. I just don't think that they had enough time to fully flesh it out. But I mean, here we are. Chucky goes to military

Donnie:

Chucky goes to military school. That would've been a great title for the movie, hon.

CryBaby:

on it. I mean, honestly, I think so, I also think a lot about what you said about Child's Play 2, where it felt like Child's Play 2 didn't exactly know what it wanted to be. how I how I feel about this one. I feel like Chucky's trying to be this wisecracking, killer even more so in this movie. And for me it falls way more flat.

Donnie:

Yeah. Yeah. We do get a lot of Chucky one-liners in child's play three. And I agree that they fall flat. It something about the environment that they're in doesn't lend itself to comedy really. And so when he tries to do his little, you know, quick. You know snaps at everybody. It just kind of doesn't sink in

CryBaby:

It just feels cheesy. It feels corny.

Donnie:

He's trying to be catty, but they're literally at a military school and it just doesn't work

CryBaby:

Exactly. and I do have thoughts on how it could work and we'll get to that later Um, When we talk about it cause there's a specific thing I want to address in the movie that I think Would have helped This whole thing work a lot

Donnie:

Cool

CryBaby:

but yeah, so, in general, like, what are your thoughts towards this?

Donnie:

It's not one of my faves. I, I have to say I think it's my least favorite in the franchise. which isn't to say that it isn't a good stand alone movie. It just doesn't work for me in comparison to everything else, you know? I tend to lose interest personally as soon as anything militaristic gets involved, so it was kind of a slog for me to have to sit there and watch, you know, the misogyny and things like that. It's just like, uh, I'm just, I'm just not that into it. So yeah, it was, when I, when I was doing my rewatch, it was definitely the one where I was like, if I could skip one, this would be it.

CryBaby:

Absolutely. absolutely. Well let's just jump on into the plot of the movie cause it, in a way, picks up where the second one left off. At least in a setting, The first shot we

Donnie:

What shot we get? Yeah,

CryBaby:

Yeah, it's all cobwebby and dingy and we're in the good guy factory at this point. And there's still some safety concerns. happening because they use this unnecessarily sharp claw to grab Chucky's

Donnie:

What's left of it, yeah, the big smushed chunk of bloody Chucky.

CryBaby:

The Chunk of Bloody Chucky exactly, all melted and garbage pale kid and all that. stuff. They're, They have this sharp claw that literally stabs into him and his very fresh blood. going everywhere.

Donnie:

Chuckie is still bleeding under all that wax.

CryBaby:

Under all that wax after all this time it's a very fresh strawberry syrup looking ass

Donnie:

wrote down bloody goo. It's not just blood. It's bloody goo.

CryBaby:

Mm hmm. It is bloody goo. And they pick up his little body and It just carry it over this vat of and we get blood contamination.

Donnie:

Just, we get blood contamination. Yes.

CryBaby:

Yes. the bloody goo goes into this vat of plastic and it starts spinning and we get this golden eye looking ass. intro

Donnie:

look like golden eye. Yes, it's a big spiral.

CryBaby:

Yes, golden eye. I used to play that a lot. That was like one of my favorite Nintendo 64

Donnie:

was never good at first person shooters.

CryBaby:

Me either. I just, I don't know. There was something about it though that was so enjoyable. But that's what this, uh, title card reminds me of. It's just like, yeah, it feels very Bondian.

Donnie:

It's, i wouldnt have picked that up if you hadnt mentioned it

CryBaby:

I guess it's an eye. Well, it looks like an eye. Yeah, it's an eye.

Donnie:

Now, damn it, it's an eye.

CryBaby:

dammit it's an eye, but what we do get, Something I can appreciate about this film, I think this opening title sequence is pretty cool. you know, it's this, parade of just, like, blood and melted plastic just going across the screen essentially recomposing Chucky's body.

Donnie:

Which, you know, this is the second time that we've put Chucky back together again, and I think after the first time they would have learned to, you know, not do this.

CryBaby:

I guess so, but also I think, this isn't the same body. It's just his blood was in the plastic, so his soul went into the first doll that was made from that batch. Yeah,

Donnie:

that. That's a good way of looking at it.

CryBaby:

and I think that's why, um, Spoiler, I guess. At this point we're in spoiler territory, um, Because he's in a new body, I think that's why he doesn't need Andy.

Donnie:

Because he's in a new body.

CryBaby:

Because he recognizes that he's in a new body, and he introduces himself to a different child. And he's just like, I can do, I can

Donnie:

here. That's not really covered in the movie. It's not really discussed why he's able

CryBaby:

it's literally thrown away in one line. and almost a soliloquy. Yeah. cause Chucky says it to himself. He's like, hmm, I'm in a new body. And then that's when he goes to Tyler and he's like, I'm Charles Lee Ray.

Donnie:

So that's it. That's how they explain it. Ha ha ha. ha.

CryBaby:

Yeah, it could've been stronger, but, to not get too ahead of ourselves, yes, Chucky is being recomposed.

Donnie:

recomposed.

CryBaby:

it's pretty cool, it's very clearly one of those things where they recorded something melting and then just played it in

Donnie:

Yes.

CryBaby:

Which is effective.

Donnie:

it's uh, the special

CryBaby:

hmm.

Donnie:

sweet.

CryBaby:

Yeah, um, very reminiscent of Hellraiser. hellraiser Yeah It's just like the the melting and all that. It's pretty cool. And then it ends with this beautiful bellow from Brad Dourif When Chucky realizes he's alive again

Donnie:

I mean, at this point, you've gotta be a little disappointed.

CryBaby:

Yeah, I mean I think so. But that makes me wonder does Chucky like being dead at this point

Donnie:

Maybe.

CryBaby:

or at least just like not happy that he's back in a doll body at this point. I guess

Donnie:

this point.

CryBaby:

When I just died twice trying to get out of the tall body.

Donnie:

of it. It's

CryBaby:

It's like Jesus. And you get that, like, he's, he seems so upset. This. Scream used to scare the shit out of me as a kid.

Donnie:

still makes me jump.

CryBaby:

I remember I would watch this opening sequence and run away from the TV before he

Donnie:

Did you really? That is so cute.

CryBaby:

I really did. Yeah. Little baby. I mean, okay, so this came out in 91. Which means you were right that the last one came out in 90. So points for Donnie Mm hmm. when this came out, I was three.

Donnie:

wow. Okay.

CryBaby:

I probably watched it because I, it was on TV, Of course, probably in like 95 So I was like

Donnie:

Yeah. You were little when you were watching it.

CryBaby:

very very little. But yeah, it's effective, and like, we get an idea of how Chucky feels.

Donnie:

Yes, very early on.

CryBaby:

And then we immediately cut into this meeting with the bigwigs of the Playpal company.

Donnie:

That's right, we're in a boardroom now, and I love it because every, almost every single person is smoking.

CryBaby:

Oh my god, right, so interesting to me that smoking indoors was so

Donnie:

Oh yeah. Oh, It was such

CryBaby:

And It didn't change really until recently.

Donnie:

people were and, I mean, they're still smoking in bars in middle America. You know, used to go to Oklahoma a lot to compete in these drag pageants. um, people were still able to smoke in the bar. And it was like What year is this?

CryBaby:

Yeah, it's because I remember this must be like 2000, maybe 2008, 2009. I worked at a movie theater and my shifts wouldn't end until like two o'clock in the morning. And the closing crew and I would always go to like a Denny's and like get dinner and stuff together. And like, I remember going, like, Into the smoking section and smoking in a

Donnie:

too. And

CryBaby:

And I'm like, Oh yeah, this was like maybe 15 years ago.

Donnie:

Yeah. And my favorite was always, um, when the smoking section and the non smoking section were right next to each other with no kind of partitions whatsoever.

CryBaby:

Yeah. It's like, what's the point at that point? My favorite thing though is like going into the airport and seeing like this smoking room And it's almost like looking into an aquarium of like very stressed people just like

Donnie:

It's all just foggy and smoky. Mm hmm. Yeah, I love the fact that everybody is Smoking in this board meeting.

CryBaby:

And also this board meeting, like, you can totally tell that, you know, affirmative action was in place because what would otherwise have probably been a room of White men. we had one woman and one black

Donnie:

Just enough for the quota. Yeah.

CryBaby:

Because Playpal only cares about consumer trainees.

Donnie:

which is what they call children, which is such a good, frightening term.

CryBaby:

Mm hmm. That's a phrase that Don got from his dad, Because his dad worked in advertising. And he specifically mentioned that phrase, consumer trainees, which is so malicious.

Donnie:

is. Consumer trainees. I didn't know that his dad worked in advertising, but I'm not surprised that you do.

CryBaby:

Of course, because I am obsessed with Don Mancini and I would love to just be in the same room with him for however long he'll

Donnie:

for however have me.

CryBaby:

which is hopefully a

Donnie:

eight

CryBaby:

Yeah, until the paint peels off of the wall.

Donnie:

the

CryBaby:

Yes. we do get this like, this is our exposition dump in this moment cause we get this slideshow of them just like Andy Barkley hates our company Killer doll.

Donnie:

Charle's Lee Ray,

CryBaby:

yeah, and the CEO's just like no one's gonna remember that child. let's make that money and re release the good guy doll because everybody wants it.

Donnie:

And there is one character, uh, whose name is Miles who works there. And Miles does not think that this is a good idea. because of the Andy Barclay situation and, you know, the fact that the company lost a whole lot of money because of all of that, there were apparently, there were lawsuits that he mentions, and he is totally and completely against the re release of the Good Guy Bells, but the big CEO boss guy doesn't really care.

CryBaby:

Nope, cause he just wants his money and I mean, kudos to this, uh, guy for speaking up against the CEO cause he was just like, no matter what y'all do, I want it to be on record that I am very much against

Donnie:

Yes. And we're like, okay, way to go, buddy. And then, you know, we never see him again.

CryBaby:

We, I know, it would have been so great to see him again. But Whatever. But the CEO, this is the same CEO from the last movie, so yay for continuity.

Donnie:

The one in the last movie who said his tummy hurts, or his stomach hurts. He's back.

CryBaby:

That's right. His tummy hurts. A lot more is gonna hurt here.

Donnie:

This is a great sequence.

CryBaby:

Oh my gosh, this is so fun. This is what I would want from a, a child's play sequence. just with like this perversion of

Donnie:

Absolutely. Yes. we see the CEO is gifted a good guy doll, like one of the first, I think they say it's the first one off the line.

CryBaby:

They say the first good guy of the

Donnie:

the nineties. Yes. Welcome. The good guy of the nineties who looks suspiciously like the good guy of the eighties.

CryBaby:

Very

Donnie:

I can't say anything has changed, but a new decade, new good guy doll.

CryBaby:

of course, and this is very 90s Because this penthouse it it reeks of 90s aesthetic.

Donnie:

yeah. Even like the late eighties that poured over to the nineties, you know, it's, got the floor to ceiling glass windows and, it's not, it's not mid-century modern, I guess it was just modern that was so popular in the early nineties. Everything is very angular.

CryBaby:

Very very angular. You have like this sleek, like sharper image, leather sofa.

Donnie:

what it looks like. Sharper image.

CryBaby:

that's for me, like, what gets

Donnie:

The couch, the leather sofa is what gets it for you.

CryBaby:

Yes. That just feels so, 90s CEO

Donnie:

It is, because of the company that he works for, it is, of course, covered in toys. And you see a pile, I can't tell what they are, but they're good guy accessories that are, like, over on one of the tables, and robots and dinosaurs all sorts of toy sets,

CryBaby:

it's pretty cool. And he also, of course, he has a play golf set.

Donnie:

Yes. One of those golf sets, hit the ball into, and then it shoots the ball back at you.

CryBaby:

Exactly. so the CEO takes his new good guy doll into his penthouse and the assistant that gave him pushback was just like, having this final wrap up conversation. It's kind of a nothing conversation, but he has dinner with his wife, so he has to go.

Donnie:

Very important

CryBaby:

And during this conversation, Chucky gets out of the box.

Out of the box.

Donnie:

We don't see it.

CryBaby:

We don't, We

Donnie:

the empty box. This made me jump. It's just a moment where we're watching the CEO in the, in his office, doing his, you know, lighting a cigar, and pouring, himself a drink and stuff like that and the camera is panning and we see the box and then right when we see that the box is empty there's this sound effect just this jolting sound effect and it scared the crap out of me it was just the the sound was just done so well i was like oh god give that guy an oscar

CryBaby:

i love I, sound design really can make or break a horror sequence And that's not a secret. It's so frickin

Donnie:

Yep.

CryBaby:

And in general, I think the sound design in this sequence is good, with all the toy noises and stuff.

Donnie:

it's just so playful while being so violent.

CryBaby:

Exactly, Because what happens is, like the CEO is like watching the news and drinking his alcohol and playing his golf, and then Chucky starts fucking with him. he starts like making the toys go all haywire. He spills marbles and the CEO slips on the floor.

Donnie:

E. Coyote, just running in place for a second, you know, reminded me of a Wile E. Coyote cartoon.

CryBaby:

It is very much like that, And then he starts getting attacked by all these other toys, like a remote control car, the army, uh, robots, and a

Donnie:

Yeah. The helicopter's pretty cool.

CryBaby:

It is. And it's like, it's just like it's Toy Store

Donnie:

Yeah.

CryBaby:

which I'm here

Donnie:

toy store chaos. Yeah. Which I like because it's reminiscent of the toy store chaos from the first movie.

CryBaby:

it

Donnie:

is. And I love the, the car that attacks him because isn't it a cop car?

CryBaby:

it is a

Donnie:

cop car, and it crashes. It's like, ooh, we got to watch a big car crash, but it's actually just a little toy.

CryBaby:

But It was a pretty violent crash. Like that thing was going

Donnie:

Yeah, that was an intense

CryBaby:

Yeah, the toy itself, like, it doesn't explode, but it just, like, it flies apart. And then we get this fun moment, where we have two good guy dolls sitting in office chairs And they're just like having this conversation of like, Hi, my name is Larry. Hi, my name is Tommy. I like to be hugged. I like to be hugged. And it reminds me a little bit of that video where somebody took the two iPads next to each other. it's like this app that like does the same thing. It's a call and response. and it's just like,

Speaker 3:

My voice is higher than your voice.

CryBaby:

And they just start screaming back and forth. have

Donnie:

No, I have not seen that. sounds ridiculous.

CryBaby:

I'm going to send it to you because That's the first thing that my brain went to

Donnie:

funny. I thought of two Furbies sitting there just yelling at each other. One Furby would say something and the other Furby would wake up and say something, you know.

CryBaby:

Same

Donnie:

Yep, exactly the same.

CryBaby:

And it's interesting, um, it's scary, it's unnerving because we're like, is one of these Chucky?

Donnie:

Yeah, and just the little kid's voice repeating itself over and over again is also just jarring.

CryBaby:

And then we find out that neither of these is

Donnie:

That's right.

CryBaby:

Chucky is behind this guy and he, uh, I think he, beats him with the golf club.

Donnie:

believe there's some beating with a golf club, then there's the, uh, this is really cool, is the yo yo.

CryBaby:

Oh, Chucky gets back to his roots.

Donnie:

back to his roots, and we get to see the Lakeshore Strangler do a strangulation death with a toy yo yo.

CryBaby:

Very fun.

Donnie:

And he even said something about it's nice to get back to the roots, or it's nice to get back to my roots, or something like that.

CryBaby:

Yeah. just nothing like a good old fashioned, like strangulation or something like

Donnie:

Yeah, something like that. oh, and But it's Like the good old days, that's what he says. And, um, he is, I know you like this, but he's got super feral Chucky face on when all of this is happening.

CryBaby:

he does. We get a lot of feral Chucky face in

Donnie:

Yeah, we do. Pretty much every time there's a death sequence, he's got that crazy look on his face.

CryBaby:

Oh yeah, And it's so funny because it's so static of a facial expression in this one.

Donnie:

As opposed it's not

CryBaby:

not as animated, or maybe we linger on it too much in this movie. But that Feral Chucky face, it just feels like a mask of just like,

Donnie:

Yes, it does. that's what it

CryBaby:

it.

Donnie:

His mouth's open but kind of cocked to the side a little bit. And I

CryBaby:

Exactly, with like, angry eyebrows.

Donnie:

first line in the movie, I think it's his first line, is don't fuck with the chuck.

CryBaby:

Yeah, that's, again, that's one of those lines where I'm just like, Not the, these one liners aren't

Donnie:

Yeah, that's what we're starting with, you know, like, okay, um. We haven't gotten to the military school yet, so the movie could have gone in a different direction with these one liners, but, you know, I would say it's a weak start.

CryBaby:

yeah, it's just, it's not good, like, for those of us who know Chucky, it's not a satisfying reintroduction. For people who don't know Chucky, it's not an informative, satisfying, like, Introduction. it's It's, certainly not as good as you stupid, bitchy, filthy slut. I'll teach you to fuck with me.

Donnie:

not. Definitely not. that's hard to beat.

CryBaby:

That is. I don't think we ever

Donnie:

No, it's one of my favorites. And then, after this death occurs, we are all of a sudden, transported to a military academy, a military school for, for kids. And I just remember thinking, what, what just happened?

CryBaby:

Yeah. Cause like when Chucky looks it up on the computer, which um, I don't know if that's what the internet looked like back then or how

Donnie:

yeah, it's pretty, pretty accurate. Although I don't even remember the internet looking that good back then. but I did notice that the word juvenile, juvenile, was spelled incorrectly on the computer.

CryBaby:

Yes, it

Donnie:

was. Yeah, the juvenile facility, and I don't remember how they spelled it, but I was like, that's not accurate.

CryBaby:

Yeah, I remember catching that too. So kudos to the production, designer,

Donnie:

the

CryBaby:

props, or the PA that typed that in. there. Who knows? But yeah, he's in the Military Academy for Juvenile Delinquents.

Donnie:

I don't know what it is with The, the third movie in a series always changing locations so dramatically. You know? I feel like even the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie did that.

CryBaby:

they did.

Donnie:

yeah, the third Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie has them going back in time to, like, feudal, I'm gonna say it wrong, where do they go? They must go to China. yeah, you know, is it like, we have to keep this series fresh, you know? So let's change things up completely. We'll send Andy to a very homoerotic location.

CryBaby:

Oh my God. Yeah. It's I, I guess that is part of it. Cause it's, they don't want to do the same thing over and over again. You know, we were in Chicago, then suburban Chicago. and so naturally a military academy is the next step because it's. Fresh and new and different.

Donnie:

have a different. actor playing Andy. So, you know, maybe they figured if they changed a whole lot, we wouldn't notice

CryBaby:

Exactly. It's cause this is the only time in the series where we have, like, a time

Donnie:

Mhm. Mhm.

CryBaby:

and then everything else after this point, like they Kind of stick to a linear timeline. but you know, we had like an eight year jump in the story. And so I think that is part of it. They had to set it in this environment that's also kind of timeless. You know, there wouldn't be any indicators of what, era we're in because the military academy just by nature is very like, stripped, strict um, uniform and you won't have as much of like an outside cultural influence that would give away like oh we're actually not eight years in the future we're actually in

Donnie:

Right that's that's true you're not seeing what street clothes people are wearing or you know what cars they're driving or anything like that. Yeah it's very insulated.

CryBaby:

Yeah, but this, this military academy, I mean, I'm not feeling it as a setting,

Donnie:

No, and I just kept wondering how are they gonna do this?

CryBaby:

Yeah, and it's, it's Also interesting because I feel like there's allusion to Andy really taking what Kyle said, But in a direction that isolated him and put him in this kind of situation?

Donnie:

Taking what Kyle said about how you have to take care of yourself?

CryBaby:

Yeah, yeah, because he talks because we get this scene of him with Cochran, who's um, the head and master, what are they called? The the leaders of these military troops.

Donnie:

Um, they refer to him as Colonel.

CryBaby:

Colonel, Colonel Cochran. who is supposed to be like this macho, kind of guy, and, They're having this conversation, and yeah, Andy is basically Just like yeah, I am jumping from foster home to foster home because I can't trust anybody. I kind of almost like that self fulfilling prophecy of what Kyle said would happen. And so he like prepared for it and by preparing for it it ended up happening, Not to put the blame on Andy, but

Donnie:

That could very much be it. You know, I just know that lots of kids don't have luck in the foster system I'm not surprised that he ended up in a. A school for delinquent,

CryBaby:

There are quotes around that. Delinquents. but immediately this guy, Cochran don't like him.

Donnie:

You don't like him? Yeah.

CryBaby:

I don't, I and there's two things is one, I think the character himself is supposed to be almost this hyperbolic caricature of toxic masculinity. And I also think that he was miscast. feel like this guy needed to be tougher,

Donnie:

This man almost has a grandpa like quality about him. Where he's just, he comes off as softer than I think this character should be. You know, you almost want to like

CryBaby:

almost. And then you listen to what he's actually saying and you're

Donnie:

Nevermind.

CryBaby:

you know, he's the one that tells Andy that he needs to grow up and not play with dolls and la la

Donnie:

that he needs

CryBaby:

Oh, does he?

Donnie:

not with dolls, and blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, he? Yeah.

CryBaby:

But he ends up shipping Andy off to Botnik, the barber,

Donnie:

the barber.

CryBaby:

to get his hair car,

Donnie:

Get His

CryBaby:

His hair cut, his hair cart,

Donnie:

he's gotta get his haircut. and Botnick is A bastard? bastard. Yeah, a sadistic bastard.

CryBaby:

Elaborate. I want to hear your thoughts.

Donnie:

Well I happen to find Botnick as a potentially closeted gay man. Which is just the feel I get from him. Maybe it's the mustache, I don't know. But he seems really angry about stuff, and he's taking it out on these kids. And I find it very fascinating that he's He's, you know, talking about shaving people's heads and making them bald, but he's leaving pretty cool haircuts on a lot of these kids. And also his hair is not buzzed. So I have many questions about Botnik. He just seems like he's seen some shit and he's mad about it.

CryBaby:

Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about him. First off, he's played by Andrew Robinson, who uh, was in Hellraiser. He was the father. um, Hank, or I don't know his name. So, my thoughts on Botnik. he is such a maniac. And his is so fascinating to me. The way Andrew Robinson plays Botnik with such a manic, over the top. I feel like, it's pretty campy. if everything else on this movie was at that same level, It could have worked.

Donnie:

Yes.

CryBaby:

Just this absurd, maniacal, hyperbolic caricature of, like, masculinity in the military. I think if everything else in the movie matched him, it would have been so much better.

Donnie:

in the movie matched him, it would have been so much better. Oh yeah. Yes. And he's

CryBaby:

Oh, yeah, yes, and he's enjoying, um, like, fucking with Andy, when cutting his hair. And while this is happening, we get that good guy commercial or TV show playing on the TV. And this is where we meet

Donnie:

Little Tyler,

CryBaby:

little Tyler, who is also waiting to get his hair cut. yeah, I think he's supposed to be in this movie, like, what, eight?

Donnie:

That would be my guess.

CryBaby:

he seems too old, in my opinion, to be reacting to The Good Guy commercial the way he does.

Donnie:

Yeah, the good guy commercial looks like you know, animated for like really little kids, you know, like four or five year olds, but he, he's just so adorable. And you know, I, I call children it, but this is a cute one. And you know, his, his reaction, guess he must be a good little actor because his reaction to me seems genuine. But, you're right, I think he's a little too old to, you know, have had that reaction.

CryBaby:

Yeah, I agree. He is very adorable, and he is, um, as an actor, I think he is great. I just don't think the dialogue, in my opinion, matches up with how I would. imagine an eight year old acting. He seems too

Donnie:

Yes, yes. Like, he'd say something like, Oh, wow, cool! Instead of like, Oh, gosh, I love that! You know, like Yeah.

CryBaby:

Yeah.

Donnie:

It's very gosh golly G. Willikers.

CryBaby:

it is. And he's just, he's very taken by this Good Guy commercial. And meanwhile, Andy is over there having a PTSD flashback.

Donnie:

Yeah, he's having a flashback.

CryBaby:

so this is the one we kind of see, of course, Andy is still affected. And I think I know where it's

Donnie:

And

CryBaby:

And then from here, we get even more, There's so many character jumps happening, because we now get to meet

Donnie:

Whitehurst, yes.

CryBaby:

who is literally in the

Donnie:

Yes, tied up in the closet at a military academy.

CryBaby:

So, Whitehurst is a nerd. and we know because he has

Donnie:

Yes, that's how we can tell. That Whitehurst is a nerd. And, uh He's gonna be Andy's roommate. Or Andy's gonna be his roommate. So Andy comes in and hears banging in the closet, and of course we think, he thinks, maybe it's Chucky. But it's not. It's just the glasses wearing nerd, Whitehurst.

CryBaby:

Who was stuffed in there by their, um, I don't know, military titles. This guy's

Donnie:

Is it, is it, Lieutenant Colonel? Is that what they're calling him? Because he's like, uh, just below the colonel.

CryBaby:

Guess? I don't know. I should have written it down. I just wrote down their names. I don't care about titles.

Donnie:

about titles. Yeah. All need to know is he's basically, Oh, cadet lieutenant colonel. I did write it down.

CryBaby:

Cadet lieutenant colonel. Anybody who listens to this who is in the military or cares about the military is going to tear me a fucking

Donnie:

Probably. All, all two people who are watching this who care about the military.

CryBaby:

I know. Here's the thing. I don't care. I am very gay. I am very conflict averse unless required. So the military is not something I'm particularly interested in. So I'm going to leave it at

Donnie:

We're alienating two viewers. Sorry,

CryBaby:

Sorry

Donnie:

without

CryBaby:

enjoy the movie without that. all you need to know is he's basically this guy Sheldon is basically like the RA of the fucking dorms or whatever. they're called quarters

Donnie:

he's a total douche canoe.

CryBaby:

an absolute asshat. He definitely has one of those faces that you want to

Donnie:

Yes, he does. he has a very, very, douchey face.

CryBaby:

He has like a turtle shaped lip.

Donnie:

turtle shaped lip He does. Yep. Yep.

CryBaby:

I can't even do it with my own mouth. I don't have lips. So I can't

Donnie:

know I got these skinny little lips.

CryBaby:

So yeah, we meet all of our secondary characters for the film. most of them. We have two more to meet. We are now, uh, Andy is in the drill lineup thingy, that they

Donnie:

thingy, yes. where

CryBaby:

where we finally see Sheldon.

Donnie:

he is, you know, screaming in everybody's face. And he singles out Andy, because Andy is the new guy. And he calls him two names that I love. He calls him Dipweed and Nimrod. And he calls him Dipweed.

CryBaby:

Dickweed

Donnie:

No, not dick. dip weed.

CryBaby:

Oh,

Donnie:

Yeah. Whatever that is.

CryBaby:

What is a

Donnie:

I'm not sure what a dip weed is, but apparently it was very insulting in 1991.

CryBaby:

very very interesting.

Donnie:

catch any of those. Oh, I was fascinated by the, the silliness of it, so I wrote them down.

CryBaby:

Yeah, Dipweed and Nimrod kind of sounds like a comedy duo

Donnie:

Yes, it does. Welcome to the stage, Dipweed and

CryBaby:

Yessssssssss. I actually kind of love that. I'm going to write that down. I'm going to steal it. but yeah, He does. He zeros in on Andy and he just starts tearing him apart and then he goes to Whitehurst and starts tearing him apart. And then this is when we finally meet Da

Donnie:

Ah, Da Silva.

CryBaby:

Good old Da Silva, our strong, independent

Donnie:

Yes, the one female character in the movie.

CryBaby:

The single, I mean, Andy needs a love interest.

Donnie:

yeah, I mean she's she's a

CryBaby:

He's a teenager now.

Donnie:

for a reason.

CryBaby:

Yep, and it's not to be Anything? I don't even know, Like, I, I like the idea of De Silva.

Donnie:

Silva.

CryBaby:

Yeah, because she, you know, kind of defends Whitehurst and Andy because Sheldon is going in on them and she's just like, Asshole under her breath. And when he asks her, What did you say, to Silva? She's like, I said, you

Donnie:

Yes, she's she's not pulling any punches.

CryBaby:

she's not she's very

Donnie:

She is sassy. And she doesn't seem to care. And then, he tells her to drop and give her, Give him 20, and she says, 20 what? He says, push ups,

CryBaby:

Yeah, she's like 20

Donnie:

give

CryBaby:

I will have to say though. Her push up form is trash.

Donnie:

It's, it's not the best, but Neither is mine.

CryBaby:

I mean she

Donnie:

mom is like,

CryBaby:

is I'm like bitch. You're gonna hurt yourself. Yeah, she turns her fingertips in towards the center, and I'm like, that rotation's gonna fuck you up,

Donnie:

fuck you up, baby.

CryBaby:

Um, so yeah, Da Silva does her 25 pushups for clapping Back,

Donnie:

Clapping and back

CryBaby:

yep, For clapping back. And, oh, he makes her do two one handed

Donnie:

Mm-Hmm. And she, she does them all. So you know that she's a strong, independent woman.

CryBaby:

exactly. She talks back and she's not afraid of, uh, authority. She will take any challenge. Yeah. Solid character, I think. I just wish I just wish we used her better.

Donnie:

do, too. You know, and Andy notices her, and she notices him, so you know there's gonna be a love connection.

CryBaby:

Yeah, baby. And while all of this happens, we get back with Tyler.

Donnie:

Lil Tyler.

CryBaby:

Who is checking the mail room. And this is, backstory. I guess We get a little bit of backstory. The reason Tyler is there is because his father is in the military. and this is like, he's being babysat?

Donnie:

Pretty much, that's what it sounds like. Dad's, dad's too busy, so send the kid off.

CryBaby:

exactly. Your dad's in the war. and because he goes to the mailroom to check for a letter from his father. And he doesn't get anything, but the mailroom clerk is like, Okay. Bring this to Andy Barclay and it's a big box

Donnie:

A very obviously shaped box. What could it possibly be?

CryBaby:

What could it be?

Donnie:

Tyler is taking this box to, to Andy and, uh, what happens? he is walking up the stairs and somebody knocks it out of his hands.

CryBaby:

Yeah,

Donnie:

And the box falls and it tears open. And what does Tyler see in it? But of course, a good guy doll, which makes him very excited. And this adorable child turns into an adorable thief.

CryBaby:

hmm who commits a federal

Donnie:

That's right. Stealing somebody else's mail. That's

CryBaby:

And this is one part that I do like, when he unwraps them because he runs off to some little, not a secret room, but just like a storage room or something

Donnie:

that.

CryBaby:

without missing a beat, Chucky bursts through the box, looks at Tyler, and he's like, who the fuck are you?

Donnie:

And it's a good scare too.

CryBaby:

hilarious? And this is when Chucky realizes that he can put himself in a body That's not Andy's.

Donnie:

Right. Chucky has that moment. Yeah. He's with his little doll hands.

CryBaby:

I'm pretty sure he literally does that. I think he does, like the villain chin stroke. Yep,

Donnie:

So he realizes he has a new child to take advantage of.

CryBaby:

And so he goes up, he's like, I'm Chucky, but you can call me Charles Lee

Donnie:

Ray. Give him the full three names.

CryBaby:

So he came out to this kid, and now he can put himself in the kid's body.

Donnie:

like, say that very carefully. I,

CryBaby:

yes, that was not the best phrasing. And we get our first attempt at ade due

Donnie:

our first attempt, of course, And what happens that he is, uh, interrupted.

CryBaby:

just Corcoran comes in

Donnie:

right, right.

CryBaby:

and it's like, to do some military thing and he sees Tyler playing with a doll, which of course sets him off, because he's like, boys don't

Donnie:

dolls. Yes, yes, bad, bad.

CryBaby:

And while this is happening, we have like shooting practice happening with like Andy. and we get this very ghost, unchained melody

Donnie:

It kind of is.

CryBaby:

Yeah, DeSilva comes in and helps Andy with his

Donnie:

in and helps Andy with shooting. Puts her arms around him while he's holding the gun and, you know, usually we see this the other way around with the man holding the woman and showing her how to do something. So this is a little fun to have it reversed. she teaches him, you know, to keep both eyes open and just squeeze the trigger, not pull it. And it gives him a little rifle shooting lesson.

CryBaby:

Yep. Yep. yep, yep, And it's very, um, flirtatious and the entire time, like her lips are right up against his neck. like this and He obviously misses the shot and she's like, you're not concentrating.

Donnie:

She's it on purpose.

CryBaby:

It's like, well, I think so. He's a teenage

Donnie:

Right.

CryBaby:

He's operating at full mast right now. There's nothing else he's focusing on.

Donnie:

yeah, yeah, it's the whole, uh, is my rifle, this is my

CryBaby:

Oh God. Oh, that makes me want to vomit. It is this movie's pencil neck is the one that fucking says that.

Donnie:

that's him. Ellis. Mm-Hmm.

CryBaby:

Yeah, cause they're in their rifle twirling class

Donnie:

Rifle twirling. I'm sure that's what it's called.

CryBaby:

A color guard, I don't know. But, um, yeah, Andy is obviously struggling'cause he's never done this before. And fucking Sheldon and his pencil neck blonde ass bitch boy come over to give Andy a hard time.

Donnie:

And Andy refers to the rifle as a gun. Because, I mean, it is, you know. And, uh, Pencil Neck is told to tell Andy the difference between a rifle and a gun. And he says, this is my rifle, this is my gun, and he grabs himself between the legs. And he says, this one's for shooting, this one's for fun. And it's just a moment of like, ew.

CryBaby:

very you Very you I'm pretty sure that's a ripoff of dialogue from like Full metal jacket or something

Donnie:

I wouldn't be surprised. There's a couple of couple of rip offs in this movie. But I have a feeling that's also something they really say in the military. You know?

CryBaby:

I would not be surprised. but while we're getting this, like, disgusting, display of fragile masculinity, We get this shot of Cochran cause Cochran, takes Chucky from Tyler to throw him away cause boys don't play with dolls.

Donnie:

How gay.

CryBaby:

And so he's walking across the field with Chucky in his hand, and Andy sees it.

Donnie:

Yes, Andy sees Chucky for the first time. Mm hmm. As you would expect from somebody who's had to fight a killer doll twice in his life.

CryBaby:

Yes. I do have to say though, Chucky. Looks high as fuck here. The The, blank good guy doll face? he looks fucking stoned. His eyes are like half closed.

Donnie:

his mouth is always a little

CryBaby:

uh huh. I mean, but who knows? Colonel Cochran is carrying him by his hair, So, I

Donnie:

maybe it feels good. Yeah.

CryBaby:

Yeah, um, but of course Andy sees this and freaks the fuck out.

Donnie:

he dumps directly

CryBaby:

Yeah, he dumps him directly into the dumpster. And this is a sequence that is, uh, that has stayed with me for a bit.

Donnie:

One of the ones that you remember from when you were a kid?

CryBaby:

yeah, like with the garbage truck driver.

Donnie:

Yeah, it's, it's almost sad, you know? So, Chucky ends up in the back of the garbage truck, and, you know, the driver is, you know, does the thing where, I don't know, I don't know much about garbage trucks, but it's all starting to get squished, you know, and Chucky is screaming his little head off, screaming for help, and the garbage truck driver hears him and so, you know, shuts everything down and is Panic stricken that there's somebody in the back of this truck. So he is yelling that he's gonna help him and he jumps back there himself and of course it doesn't work out well for him. And I felt a pang, you know, I really felt bad for this guy because he was, he's just an innocent bystander in Chucky's, count.

CryBaby:

Yeah. if I were to, like rank characters that did not deserve to die, he would definitely be high up on this list. And like, again, kudos to Brad Dourif because his vocal performance is so good And the way he's screaming, from the back of this garbage truck, like, it's very compelling.

Donnie:

Yeah. It, it sounds like there's real fear in his voice, and I think Chucky is really afraid of, of, you know, of dying,

CryBaby:

honestly, probably. yeah, He ends up crushing the garbage man in the back of his

Donnie:

Mm-Hmm.....And the garbage man's arm is like out and it gets, you know, squished between the, door and the metal side of the truck. And there's more of that kind of gooey looking blood.

CryBaby:

Yeah. Just like the very red, gooey, And, yeah, everybody that's out there twirling their rifles hears the scream and. they find the body. And I think this is when Andy is just like, fuck.

Donnie:

Sorry, buddy. And now there's guns. How exciting.

CryBaby:

so it's like later on in that night, Andy and Whitehurst are in their room and we see Whitehurst shining Sheldon's shoes.

Donnie:

Yes. again, Sheldon's a bully. Sheldon's a bully. And it's a little, I think, homoerotic,

CryBaby:

I guess

Donnie:

You know, it's a little, it's a little dumb sub for me.

CryBaby:

I can see that for sure. I didn't even think about that until you mentioned it.

Donnie:

that until you mentioned I don't disagree. And actually, now that

CryBaby:

I don't disagree. And actually, now that you mentioned that I did write down, and again, you know, if this is problematic, let me know. I wrote down is Whitehurst gay

Donnie:

I think Whitehurst

CryBaby:

Whitehurst might be queer.

Donnie:

Can definitely see that. I mean, you know, the fact that he's kind of the one that gets picked on. mean, I wouldn't be surprised if part of that was because he was being read as gay and all the bullies zeroed in on that.

CryBaby:

Yeah, there must have been something, because I wish I wrote down more, but yeah, there must have been something about this scene and maybe it is that dom sub vibe that you got from this moment, but it, it read to me as, like, a

Donnie:

Yeah, yeah, you

CryBaby:

little unperceived.

Donnie:

down,

CryBaby:

Yeah, and while this is happening, we see that Chucky is hiding in the trunk,

Donnie:

trunk, yes. Not in

CryBaby:

like the trunk of a car, in the blue

Donnie:

blue trunk, trunk I used to have exactly that trunk that I found in a thrift store somewhere and used to keep costumes in, not killer dolls, but that would have

CryBaby:

guess costumes are like, more fun.

Donnie:

use them a little longer,

CryBaby:

of fun.

Donnie:

yeah. And isn't, there's some foreshadowing here that happens with a pocket knife.

CryBaby:

there is, so Andy's like playing with a pocket knife and he like sets it on his desk and he's unpacking all of his stuff. we do get a photo of him and Mama Karen.

Donnie:

see Mama Karen.

CryBaby:

I miss her so much.

Donnie:

yeah.

CryBaby:

I miss her so much. And Andy does too, obviously. But yeah, he's playing with the pocket knife. he sets it down and I guess Chucky grabs the pocket knife and hides under the bed.

Donnie:

Oh yeah, it's that, we've talked about this before, the slicing of the ankles, it's your favorite.

CryBaby:

Yeah, it's a big ick of mine. Um, for those of you who have been listening. I, That just makes me very uncomfortable. My question with this is, it looks like Chucky slices him. Um, But, it doesn't seem like Andy responds in a way that he got sliced. Especially if it was the Achilles

Donnie:

tendon. Oh, he would be down and out, you know. You're right, because he definitely gets them. He definitely makes a slicing motion and gets Andy, but I don't know, maybe it's more of a stab, or it's not deep enough or something, I mean, Andy reacts to it,

CryBaby:

Maybe it was the shoe?

Donnie:

I don't know, I don't know,

CryBaby:

Yeah, cause I'm like, if that knife went into Andy, he wouldn't be able to walk for the rest of the

Donnie:

Right, he'd be out.

CryBaby:

Like, with where it looked like it went, yeah, he'd be fucking gone. It would be like Judd in Pet

Donnie:

Sematary.

CryBaby:

If anybody here hasn't seen Pet Sematary, Uh, yeah, It happens. Achilles tendon slicing. It's very uncomfortable. it's, it's a big ache, but yeah, Chucky does it and that's, uh, his tack, his attack. And Andy falls backwards and Chucky spots a playboy in his, uh, fucking suitcase. Oh, was it a

Donnie:

playpen? which I think is a combination of a playboy and a penthouse. You know, I don't know that a playpen was a real thing. But a playpen, yes. You know, when you had to get your porn from a magazine.

CryBaby:

yeah. and again, it's just an indicator that Andy is older because Chucky even says, Andy, how you've

Donnie:

are you growing?

CryBaby:

but then Chucky does this stupid thing where he reveals his plan to Andy. Mm

Donnie:

he has, I don't know if it's a good line or a bad line. I can't decide.

CryBaby:

I don't like it? I know exactly the

Donnie:

don't like it. Tell me why you don't like it.

CryBaby:

you know how when you can tell that you have a group of white people writing for black characters? It's very much that. That's the vibe that I get from this line. Mm hmm.

Donnie:

And Chucky says, Chucky's gonna be a bro. And I think he even does this with his hand. Chucky's gonna be a bro.

CryBaby:

I don't

Donnie:

I had to do a little rewind and be like, Did I just hear what I thought I heard? Yep. That's what he said. Okay. And you're right, it's clearly a bunch of white people writing, you know?

CryBaby:

Mm hmm. and Andy doesn't like it either, because he starts beating the shit out of Chucky.

Donnie:

And of course,

CryBaby:

Mm hmm.

Donnie:

by fucking Shelton. Sheldon? Shelton? I don't know if it's a D or a T.

CryBaby:

actually.

Donnie:

I

CryBaby:

I think, I think I wrote down both, too. I have a D and I

Donnie:

down both, think, I have a D And

CryBaby:

And that in turn ends up scuffing up Sheldon's shoes. That Whitehurst works so hard on. Well, and then Sheldon's just like, Alright, well, you're my new, I think he even says, like, you're my new slave. Or Something

Donnie:

He does. I think I have a new slave or something like that.

CryBaby:

Yeah. So, He ends up, taking Chucky. And he said that he's going to give it to his little sister. Because her birthday's coming

Donnie:

a raggedy doll at this point, but sure, give it to your little sister. Yeah, I

CryBaby:

I mean, if you want to

Donnie:

from

CryBaby:

people and give that to your loved ones, go

Donnie:

Sure. it. happens all the time.

CryBaby:

the time.

Donnie:

so Andy goes hunting for Chucky that night. And, you know, he knows that he's in Shelton's room. so he sneaks in there and he can't find the doll. But, of course, while he's in there, Shelton wakes up.

CryBaby:

Yeah, it's actually kind of funny how it happens too, because Chucky sneaks up on Andy and scares him while he's investigating, and Andy jumps, jumps, into bed with Sheldon. It's so funny. And Sheldon freaks the fuck

Donnie:

he makes everybody in the entire, I don't know, platoon, class, one of those words, uh, go outside and march in the rain even though it's about midnight.

CryBaby:

Yeah, they do the little Rain

Donnie:

Rain circles, that's a good way of putting it. And it's

CryBaby:

Mm hmm.

Donnie:

for, from the second movie where. Everybody gets punished because nobody knows who, who took, what is it who took the knife or who took The

CryBaby:

It was the doll! He's just like, um, What'd you do with the doll, Barkley?

Donnie:

Right, and when we're in the room we do, is this where we see that the knife is missing from the wall? pretty badass knife, It's like a straight up Rambo knife. I used to have one just like it.

CryBaby:

Oh, did you?

Donnie:

and then I sliced a finger really really badly and sold sold it not the finger. I sold the knife. I was like, no Not for me

CryBaby:

It's like, yeah, I just sold my finger.

Donnie:

Hey for the right price

CryBaby:

in this economy, If you had to get rid of one of your fingers, which one would you get rid of?

Donnie:

Probably the ring finger on my left hand

CryBaby:

I was just thinking that same thing. I'm not, using it.

Donnie:

it. I'm right

CryBaby:

Yeah. Mm

Donnie:

your thumb and your pinky, you know, ring fingers. Not,

CryBaby:

hmm.

Donnie:

not that important.

CryBaby:

Yeah, and I'm also thinking, like, if I'm doing makeup, that's the finger that I use the

Donnie:

that I

CryBaby:

All right, cool. Final answer.

Donnie:

I'm not

CryBaby:

I don't even know how we got there.

Donnie:

was my fault because I used to have a Rambo knife. that's

CryBaby:

that's right. You had a Rambo knife. Chucky has a Rambo knife. so yeah, Chucky runs off to find Tyler..While Shelton and his pencil neck blonde ass bitch boy are making these people walk in circles. he wants to play hide the soul with Tyler. But I guess Tyler knew that he was

Donnie:

Yes. Tyler left a little note for him on his bed that says something about, come and find me, or something like that. Like he wants to play hide and seek. And Chucky is

CryBaby:

Mm hmm Oh god, Chucky is just done with it. He's over it. and so he goes to find Tyler and Tyler ends up going into Cochran's office. And Chucky follows suit And this is the first time I ever heard the phrase

Donnie:

Is it really?

CryBaby:

Yes, and because of that, um, I associate the phrase, Olly olly Oxenfree with child's play.

Donnie:

Oh, that makes sense.

CryBaby:

Mm

Donnie:

play. Olly Olly Oxenfree, really?

CryBaby:

Mm hmm. Because I just immediately thought, oh my god, Chuckie's trying to find me.

Donnie:

I know what to text you at 3am now.

CryBaby:

Oh, perfect. Some more late night Home Alone

Donnie:

more late night Home Alone movies. You and

CryBaby:

You and I, I wrote that down too. I fucking love it. Get out of here you little son of a bitch. I just love how how quickly Chucky devolves into just like saying such terrible things in front of children.

Donnie:

Yeah, he has no, no filter.

CryBaby:

It's so funny. And while this is happening, we have all of our military people walking in circles in the

Donnie:

Yeah.

CryBaby:

And doing their stupid little punishment exercises. this is where Andy tells Whitehurst that Chucky is alive. And then, while all of this is happening, DeSilva and The other one woman girl,

Donnie:

ever get.

CryBaby:

I don't think so, she's just a 90s redhead with a top pony.

Donnie:

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. they break into Cochran's office so that they can read Andy's file.

CryBaby:

Yeah, they're doing investigative journalism because DeSilva is interested in Andy, and I guess because of that, she wants to break into his file? It's

Donnie:

it also probably isn't legal, but you know, who's keeping count?

CryBaby:

Uh, yeah. Who cares? this franchise is full of violations,

Donnie:

Yes, it really is. If you can break into the colonel's office and his filing cabinet isn't locked, I mean, you just get what's coming to you,

CryBaby:

yeah, she's lurking on Andy's file..And happens to be interrupted by a noise in the closet before she reached the news article about the murderous doll.

Donnie:

She only sees that he was in foster

CryBaby:

in time.

Donnie:

and she says something like, oh, that explains it, or something like that. And then the noise in the closet turns out to be Tyler and Chucky. he's holding Chucky with him.

CryBaby:

of course, there's something about, like, adults and, like, grown ass people who lose their shit when they see a good guy doll. They're like, Oh my God, this is so cute. Oh my God, he's so fun.

Donnie:

Yeah, the girls get a little, a little girly over this doll. It was how people were with Cabbage Patch dolls or Pound Puppies. You know, anything that was really, do you remember Pound Puppies?

CryBaby:

No.

Donnie:

up because they were cute.

CryBaby:

puppy?

Donnie:

It was just a stuffed dog. It was a stuffed animal that had a little, like, heart tattoo. You know, just a little heart on its butt. Like, on the side of its butt. And they were ridiculously popular. They had a Pound Kitty spin off. And there was a TV show and probably a cereal. Because there was a cereal for anything those days. but yeah, people would lose their minds over these things. And that's what these girls do over this good guy doll. They think he's just so cute. They think he's so cute that they put lipstick on him.

CryBaby:

Mmhmm.

Donnie:

putting Chucky in drag.

CryBaby:

do. Tyler is not happy about it.

Donnie:

No, you're making him

CryBaby:

The entire time, he's just like, no, stop. You're making him look like a

Donnie:

Yes, a wuss. he says. And then, the all fun and games are interrupted by the colonel returning. So, um, everybody runs out just in time. They hear him coming, they leave Chucky, and they run out just in time. So when the colonel gets back to his office, there's the good guy doll that he's positive that he threw away. Except now he's wearing lipstick.

CryBaby:

And Chucky ends up jumping out with this big ass Rambo knife. And we get the static feral Chucky Mm face. yes. we get a kill that I love An idea, I love in theory. I don't love it here. And I think it's because of my thoughts about Corcoran's casting.

Donnie:

how so?

CryBaby:

I would have enjoyed him, cause he dies from a heart attack, everybody. he gets scared to death, he has a heart attack. And Chucky's just like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. which is kind of funny. I would have enjoyed him. The fact that Karkin had a heart attack, had he been cast as not this soft grandpa feeling guy. I would have thought that it would have been so much more fun and poetic if it was this, like, macho, manly man who, has just like seen so much in war and blah blah blah blah blah and nothing scares him and then he ends up dying from a heart attack because he's scared to death from this killer

Donnie:

he's scared to death from this killer doll. But, yeah, if it had been a more masculine, bigger dude, then it's somebody who, who's death you can root for, you know? But, you're right, I like the death in theory. The idea of somebody being scared to death, that's fun. but yeah, I have to agree with you about the, the casting. The casting is just not, not the best for that.

CryBaby:

And also just, I do have to laugh at that line where they're like, he did two tours in Nam and then he just drops dead. It doesn't make sense. And I'm like, I mean, that's kind of how death works, right? Like you do all this stuff. And then

Donnie:

you die, like

CryBaby:

Like, it doesn't matter. Like, you know, two TORs and NOM doesn't mean you're immune to having a heart

Donnie:

Right, and he didn't just drop dead, he had a heart attack and died.

CryBaby:

Exactly. And it's just so funny to me that, like, in a way, I guess that is kind of um, a funny little wink about how this hyper masculine perspective works. Where it's just like, oh, you did this thing that's so brave and you died?

Donnie:

once. Yeah, you're supposed to be ten feet tall and bulletproof. You're not supposed to die.

CryBaby:

Exactly. So, I feel like that is kind of a wink, but I don't know.

Donnie:

Which isn't particularly important is that the colonel dropped Chucky in the garbage can upside down. And that just made me laugh. Like, it's like a little wastebasket.

CryBaby:

Oh, yeah, oh he does drop him into the garbage can upside

Donnie:

then he disappears from the garbage can and jumps out and scares him. But for some reason, seeing Chucky upside down in this little wastebasket made me, made me giggle.

CryBaby:

It is funny, especially knowing how big his head is.

Donnie:

Right? Exactly. And the waist basket is like half the

CryBaby:

then we all know how I feel about Chuckie

Donnie:

It's the little Chucky feet kicking.

CryBaby:

That's really funny. I'll, I'll I'll cut that in

Donnie:

Okay.

CryBaby:

Yes. Cause that has to be, lore.

Donnie:

right? He has a line, I think, after the lipstick where he says, this means war, which always reminds me of Bugs Bunny, Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck. course you realize this means war. They used to say it all the time. It's definitely where I know the phrase from.

CryBaby:

Yeah, I feel like that's one of those phrases that just was everywhere in the 90s. This means war. If anybody did anything that was mildly insulting to you,

Donnie:

This means war.

CryBaby:

this means war. Yeah, that's another one of those lines that's just kind of cheesy to me.

Donnie:

I, I wanna like all of them. I really do. The one liners don't do it for me, but his line's like, Oh, you gotta be fucking kidding me, when, um, the colonel is dying of a heart attack. That's funny. But it's also not really a one liner, you know? He's not trying to be funny in that moment. He's legitimately pissed off that he didn't get to stab this guy, you know? Yeah. So it's just the one liners that don't ring true to me for some reason. Agreed.

CryBaby:

Alright, so, we are in the next morning now, And they are having breakfast to honor Oh wait, what's it called?

Donnie:

Reveille, that horn. It's called Reveille.

CryBaby:

oh. Pa pa da da pa pa pa. Oh, is that how that's pronounced?

Donnie:

hope so. Yeah, Reveille. don't know these

CryBaby:

Either way, they're eating breakfast to honor their dead dude.

Donnie:

That's right. that's right.

CryBaby:

And, fuckin Buzz McGee.

Donnie:

McGee.

CryBaby:

What's his name? Botnik. This is very cruisy. I I totally understand your thoughts of him being gay.

Donnie:

yeah, he's, he's just maneuvering his way through the cafeteria going up to different all, all male characters and basically grabbing their hair and yanking it back and saying something about, you know, your hair is getting too long or getting too shaggy. I need you to come see me on Tuesday. And then the next guy, he goes over and he pulls his hair back and Fabrizio, which is interesting because he doesn't look Italian at all. And he says, I'll see you on Thursday, you know, so each guy. He's, he's, you know, pulling their hair and there's definitely like, okay, buddy. Um, and then he ends up at, at, uh, whose hair is a little shaggy. He says, come see me right after lunch.

CryBaby:

again, like, his heightened manic performance I really enjoy. and I do see that, like, cruisy feeling. It really does feel like he has some sort of hair fetish.

Donnie:

Yes, it really does. There's definitely something going on for him with hair.

CryBaby:

He loves his job

Donnie:

Yes

CryBaby:

much.

Donnie:

And so Andy wants to go talk to Tyler, uh, and gets up with his tray to go do that. And we don't really see who does it, but somebody trips him and his food goes everywhere. and he's also told that you can't just get up in the middle of a mess. And he goes and he finds Tyler anyway, and I thought this was weird because nobody stops him. It's like very clear what he's doing. You can't miss it. But all of the, um, superiors must be so engrossed in their delicious meal that they're just letting this one slide. So, Andy starts telling Tyler that he's gotta be careful for Chuck about Chucky because Chucky's actually a bad guy. And Tyler's like, no, he's a good guy. Like, that's literally what they're called.

CryBaby:

I think it's so funny. And again, this is one of those moments where I'm like, Tyler is too old to be acting this dumb.

Donnie:

Yeah. Yeah, it would be more appropriate behavior for like a six year old. But that kid's gotta be eight or nine.

CryBaby:

But yeah, he doesn't want to believe Andy Tyler says something like you're just jealous because he's my best friend now, or something

Donnie:

like that. Right, right. And then Andy does what you do to children in danger, you give them a weapon. So he gives that pocket knife to, uh, to the little boy. Here, take this. you

CryBaby:

in danger. Yeah.

Donnie:

this will be good for you with it for a little bit. That's right.

CryBaby:

and then we cut to, Botnik. He is giving Whitehurst his haircut, while simultaneously degrading him. Yeah. Yeah.

Donnie:

Yes, very true.

CryBaby:

Again, fetish. and then he has like his, I feel like this is his one liner, his one liner, Presto. you're bald,

Donnie:

he says to everyone, even though he's not shaving them bald. Presto, you're bald.

CryBaby:

yeah, he gives Andy like a high top or something. Not like a high top, But like there's ample amounts of

Donnie:

Plenty of hair, but he still says, Presto, you're bald.

CryBaby:

to each their

Donnie:

he thinks he must think he's funny. Mm hmm.

CryBaby:

oh my god, I can't believe I wrote this down. Okay, so here's the thing. I love a slutty mustache. And I do like Andrew Robinson. I think he is a talented actor. Also just mind you, I was watching this at like midnight last night, so I was very tired. I wrote down, and I quote, I'd totally sleep with him. Transcribed He could shave my back while we get down.

Donnie:

That's amazing. Thank you for sharing that with us. We all really needed to know that.

CryBaby:

Listen, I mean, it's kind of two birds with one stone. Like, I don't like shaving my own back. It's annoying. I used to, you're gonna learn a lot about me. my mom used to shave my back for me.

Donnie:

really?

CryBaby:

Yeah, When I was in like my early twenties and living at home, back?

Donnie:

Hey, you know, what are parents for?

CryBaby:

Yeah. but now I'm shaving my own back because I'm a strong independent

Donnie:

That's right. Congratulations.

CryBaby:

But being the opportunist that I am. um, I am attracted to Botnik. I love the mustache. And he likes shaving, so he would certainly enjoy shaving

Donnie:

I think like you said, two birds, one stone.

CryBaby:

Yeah. So, I forgot that note was

Donnie:

That's hysterical. Yeah, and he has that moment where he is trimming, you know, it looks like he's maybe trimming his mustache or nose hairs or something, and we get that, you know, that concern that something's gonna happen and then the scissors are gonna go up there, like, Chucky's gonna jump out and get him or something, but no, no, just a fake out.

CryBaby:

I love a good fake out. Because Chucky is currently in his supply

Donnie:

a good fake out. Because Chucky's currently in cupboard.

CryBaby:

He immediately goes into role play with this doll.

Donnie:

Yep, and he puts Chucky in his little barber chair and pulls out his clippers. We have this fun moment where the clippers just keep getting closer and closer and closer to Chucky.

CryBaby:

very, very stressful. And then Chucky ends up grabbing. A razor from the side of the chair.

Donnie:

razor that's tied to the side of the chair, say, you know, another safety

CryBaby:

hmm. Something tells me that Botnik doesn't care much about

Donnie:

Yeah, I would agree with you on that one.

CryBaby:

Yeah. but then Chucky's just like, uh uh uh, I'm not getting my haircut today.

Donnie:

uh, I'm not

CryBaby:

Yeah. I'm kinda sad

Donnie:

Yeah. Yeah, I

CryBaby:

Yeah, I just, also, like, he's, Say what you want, I do feel like Botnik is like, this movie's most interesting character. And so I'm just sad that he had to go so soon.

Donnie:

so soon.

CryBaby:

He does, yeah. He takes up a lot of screen

Donnie:

up a lot

CryBaby:

um, decides to, um, co opt Botnik's phrase, catchphrase. And he says, Presto, you're

Donnie:

Mm hmm.

CryBaby:

Which is kind of satisfying. That's one of the few one liners where I'm like, okay,

Donnie:

you let that one slide

CryBaby:

I'd let that one slide. Yeah, cause that's not Chucky trying to be all one linery, That's Chucky like I don't know, salting an open wound. He's like, you have this stupid catchphrase and I'm gonna throw it back at you.

Donnie:

it

CryBaby:

Yeah, Presto, you're dead.

Donnie:

And then Whitehurst returns, I'm not sure why, and he sees Chucky there, and Chucky looks at him and says, Boo.

CryBaby:

And it's actually it's quite funny, the way he says boo. And let's see if I can get the body language right. Cause he's standing all weird like a doll and he's like like. the way his whole body, he's like, it's It's weird. It's fun though. It is cute. It is

Donnie:

It's a it's a cute but boo for a killer doll.

CryBaby:

Whitehurst doesn't think it's cute though,'cause he runs the fuck out.

Donnie:

And now He knows it's true.

CryBaby:

He knows it's true and he also bitches out though, like wouldn't you you saw a dead body girl like you saw somebody dead in a chair

Donnie:

right?

CryBaby:

and You're just gonna go Line up with the rest of your like classmates in the yard and not say anything. You're not gonna alert anyone. Yeah, he just goes on about his day. And everyone's like, Whitehurst, what's going on? Like, why are you so upset? He's like, I don't want to talk about it. Don't know a little ah,

Donnie:

he's like, I don't want to talk about it. blah. blah, blah.

CryBaby:

Not at all. I mean, it's capture the flag. With like,

Donnie:

Mhm. War games.

CryBaby:

War games. And everyone's divided into two teams. We have a red team and a blue team. and Tyler, our little little cutie Tyler is on the red team. And then everybody else we know

Donnie:

team. Yes. Every single other person that we've been introduced to is on the Blue Team.

CryBaby:

Mhmm.

Donnie:

is watching all of this unfold, uh, from the Armory. And what does he do in the Armory? He takes all of the red guns that are loaded with red paintballs and loads them with actual live rounds,

CryBaby:

which again, I'm not a gunsman, but is that possible? I don't know. I kind of don't care I like this fantasy

Donnie:

this fantasy

CryBaby:

I mean, here's the thing. a paintball gun and a gun gun are two completely different like Everything I think so. I don't think it's physically possible to replace a paintball with a live bullet, but I don't care.

Donnie:

Yeah. It doesn't matter. Suspension of disbelief.

CryBaby:

yeah, it's a fucked up thing. It's a fucked up concept And that's why I like it.

Donnie:

it's good. Yeah.

CryBaby:

Yeah, like Chucky, good on you for being so evil.

Donnie:

Yes.'cause these are kids, you know. You just loaded live ammunition.

CryBaby:

delinquents.

Donnie:

different. That counts less.

CryBaby:

It counts less, yeah. It's two for one at that point.

Donnie:

And then Andy guesses that Whitehurst saw Chucky, based on Whitehurst's weird behavior. He just pulls it out of the air that, well, obviously you saw a killer doll. And Whitehurst is still denying

CryBaby:

Yeah, I mean, how many times has Andy seen people realize that this actually is a killer doll? I think he can clock when someone's like shook from that.

Donnie:

know what you've seen.

CryBaby:

He's like, I've seen that look in your eyes and many other people. But yeah, White Hair still ain't saying shit.

Donnie:

are, you know, split into their two camps. The red camp and the blue camp. And we see them marching along, singing. Military songs, or military chants, or whatever they're called. It's not show tunes.

CryBaby:

it's not.

Donnie:

not. And the blue team goes in one direction, and the red team goes in the other direction. know, the, we know that the red team has live ammunition in their guns. And so now we're left wondering what's gonna happen.

CryBaby:

And this is when I started falling asleep. I'm not even lying, actually. we cut to, it's night time now, and we're at the, uh, blue team's camp, and they're telling scary stories by the campfire. and De Silva being the strong, brave femme fatale of this group is leading the horror stories with Some stepfather dragging himself on the floor with his

Donnie:

on the floor with his But she

CryBaby:

but she was telling it with like the, the presence and ego of like the older sister at her like little brother's sleepover. Like, that's the vibe that I got

Donnie:

the vibe that I get from her.

CryBaby:

Ooh.

Donnie:

yeah, Andy gets up from this campfire And Da Silva follows him. And they have this little moment in the woods where she tells him her first name, which I believe is Kristen. And he tells her that his name is Andy. And, um, they walk to kind of like the side of a hill and we see in the distance a carnival, looks like maybe a traveling carnival with big rides and lots of lights and spinning things and stuff. And they have a moment where Andy says something like, it's hard to imagine that places like that exist where people just go to have fun. And then of course, um, they kiss. It's a very, yeah, it's a very overdramatic, they both turn their heads so the camera can see them, but it's like, Like, this weird open mouth, like, young people kiss, it's not, it's not very pretty to look at.

CryBaby:

all the while, it's so funny cause Chucky's lurking and watching, he's spying Something about watching two teenagers make out makes Chucky say, I really gotta get out of this body.

Donnie:

He does say that.

CryBaby:

I'm like, was he horny? Like, does he want the touch of a woman again? Is that what that was all about?

Donnie:

think Chucky's, I think he's a little jealous. You know, watching two teenagers make out, you'd think he'd say something like, Ew. But for him, no, it triggers jealousy.

CryBaby:

he wants to, fuck.

Donnie:

he does.

CryBaby:

And I don't think at this point it's canon that he's anatomically

Donnie:

It is not. We assume that he isn't. Because he's a doll.

CryBaby:

He's a

Donnie:

He's a doll baby.

CryBaby:

so, after this hot makeout,

Donnie:

Well, it just turns, it just so happens that Andy has swiped the reconnaissance map. Now, if I recall correctly, we don't see this happen.

CryBaby:

No.

Donnie:

into Cadet Lieutenant Colonel's tent and steals a map, which seems like a pretty important visual for us to have, but we don't get it. We just get a, hey, I stole this map. and so he's got to go find the, where the red team is because that's where Tyler is. he wants to go rescue Tyler. So off he runs. Off he runs to go see if he can find Tyler using the map. the next scene is everybody realizing that someone stole the reconnaissance map. and then they discover that Whitehurst is in his tent alone and they decide that Andy has gone AWOL. He must be working for the red team.

CryBaby:

they jumped to that conclusion with absolutely zero evidence.

Donnie:

It's because that's where their brains are. Their brains are on military mode, you know? Why else would somebody run away? Must be working for the other

CryBaby:

That's true. And they already view Andy as some sort of like sniveling bitch boy. Okay? Yeah, so like, Sheldon and Pencil neck blonde Atropis boy, they tell everybody to pack it up, and they're gonna go now because they think that the red team expects them

Donnie:

They want to do it, they were supposed to leave in the morning but they're going to do it at night while, while they still have a chance of not being found

CryBaby:

Yes, exactly. So they end up splitting up the blue team. Da Silva is leading one half, And then Sheldon is leading the other.

Donnie:

is leading other. Yes. Yeah, that's Tyler's starting to figure out that Chucky's not a good guy. Chucky says the word fuck and Tyler says, watch your language.

CryBaby:

Again. Too old. Too old for that talk.

Donnie:

that nonsense. He's, at this point, he's saying fuck too.

CryBaby:

but then he realizes exactly how dangerous Chucky is. And that pocket knife that Andy gave him, Uh, gets put to good use. And he stabs

Donnie:

put to good use. he? stabs Chucky. yeah, so Tyler manages to use that little pocket knife and stab Chucky, who of course is bleeding. and he, he runs away. and then we see, they've all got these big walkie talkies that are like the size of small cars.

CryBaby:

Huge.

Donnie:

walkie talkies that probably weigh a ton, you know? we're watching De Silva as she's, she's walking around and, uh, Chucky must jump out of a tree or something because he, like, lands on her back. And, you know, does, they do, again, the thing where it's like, Ah, I'm fighting an inanimate object, which I just love so much.

CryBaby:

So funny, and all the while the blue team hears De Silva screaming over the walkie talkie.

Donnie:

Chucky gets on the radio. And calls the blue team and tells them to come up to the old jeep. And, you know, the blue team knows that they, Chucky has DeSilva. But then he calls the red team and for some reason the red team never says, Who is this? He tells them to come up to the old jeep and they say, Okay, so now everybody's on the

CryBaby:

Mm hmm. Yep, yep, Yep, yep, And the blue team is coming to collect a hostage and the red team is coming to raise

Donnie:

That's right.

CryBaby:

yeah, this is, Like your classic, war standoff trade off or whatever. Chucky wants to trade to Silva for Tyler. And they do. And Sheldon realizes once that trade is done that Chucky is alive. He sees this doll moving, and the moment he realizes that Chucky is alive, boom, He gets shot through the

Donnie:

shot through the chest and, this is not a Chucky death. This is a red team shooting, uh, the blue team death, but it's still so satisfying.

CryBaby:

It is, I, so, I, originally this scene was going to have a lot more bloodshed. because it makes sense that that would happen, right? Like, you have this entire red team ambushing the blue team, thinking that they have paint balls and it's actual ammunition. So you would expect a lot more people to get shot in the war games. I'm happy that it didn't happen though. Of course, because, especially now, like the, the, notion of gun violence on teenagers is a lot, it's just a lot. but simultaneously, I do find it fascinating that. Obviously, the guns will make a completely different sound shooting live rounds. You can hear the ricochets, you can hear, like, the gunshots, They sound so different, and yet the red team still keeps shooting. Until their Person realizes like something's

Donnie:

hmm. Yeah, because they're following orders, you know, so they're just shooting away. And then somebody realizes, wait a second, they're using live rounds. And, um, it, it stops. And, Chucky has also, he's pulled a pin on a grenade. I think, I think he might do it before he gets Tyler.

CryBaby:

I think so, because he's kind of holding it as, like, this, um, threat, if you would, of, like, You're gonna do what I say,

Donnie:

you know, Andy has shown up, and what do you call him, the bleach blonde bitch boy, Ellis.

CryBaby:

Yeah, Alice. the blonde bitch boy. Yeah.

Donnie:

He thinks that, um, Andy had something to do with this, so he's attacking Andy and yeah. You know, why, why would Andy have anything to do with this? So, in this chaos, uh, Chucky throws the grenade over at where everybody is standing and the only person who sees this is Whitehurst. instead of yelling over everybody and trying to notify people that there's a grenade. Whitehurst decides to make the ultimate sacrifice. And runs over and leaps on top of this grenade. And then of course as he's laying there the grenade blows up and his body kind of flies up into the air and the next shot we see is him dead on the ground with his glasses askew and like a little crack and some blood on them. and it turns out that the nerd saved everybody's

CryBaby:

which in itself feels tropey.

Donnie:

It is tropey. It's tremendously tropey, and it's a shame that that character doesn't get to live.

CryBaby:

it's it's a great redemption because we are being sold this image of him being so coward like and not able to speak up or willing to admit reality or anything like that. And then he does end up saving a lot of people But yeah, it is very much a shame that he didn't get to stick

Donnie:

Yeah, you know, it turns out that he's a hero, but mean, he's, he's a dead hero, dead

CryBaby:

dead hero. And while all of this kerfuffle is happening, Tyler slips away. and Chucky slips away. and we find ourselves at that carnival.

Donnie:

at that carnival. I think, uh, one of them is a cameo from, I think,

CryBaby:

I think, uh, one of them Is a cameo from, I think, the

Donnie:

I think

CryBaby:

I think so. I know there's a cameo. It's like a family of three with cotton candy and whatnot crossing the

Donnie:

They do show that, uh huh.

CryBaby:

Yeah. Um, but yeah, lots of cameras. This is a, like it's basically friends and family day on set It's like hey, you got children in your life? Bring them to

Donnie:

today. Bring them to the set. Bring them to the horror movie set. Tyler gets to the carnival and sees a security guard telling these troublesome children to keep the music down. It's a guy with a boombox on his shoulder, very, very old school. And, uh, he sees this figure of authority, so he runs into the security tent to tell this man that his friend Charles is after him. And the security guard is actually a pretty nice guy who's listening to the kid and like, Obviously wants to help him. and he does so by saying, I know what'll cheer you up, look what I found. And what does he pull out? But, Chucky.

CryBaby:

Fucking good DI doll. Again, Chucky and his little ass legs beats a child to their destination. I don't know how he does it.

Donnie:

He runs super fast. He runs so fast nobody can see him. Yeah. Nobody

CryBaby:

It's, It's, it

Donnie:

He

CryBaby:

Heidi ho. ho. ho.

Donnie:

Actually,

CryBaby:

That's actually because Chucky is a killer that you can play on this game. Have you heard of Dead by Daylight?

Donnie:

So it's

CryBaby:

So it's an asymmetric horror video game where you have five players, four people play as a survivor one person plays as a killer. You know, the survivors have to survive, the killer has to kill. And they will occasionally get licensing. for like horror movie killers For the game and Chucky's one of them. And when you play as Chucky, one of his, like abilities is that he, you can't see him. Yeah,

Donnie:

That makes sense. It's

CryBaby:

yeah, yeah. It's actually quite terrifying to play against him.

Donnie:

That's spooky.

CryBaby:

but yeah, he gets to this carnival and We immediately cut to Andy and Da Silva, who are now en route, you know, I guess they just figured that Tyler and Chucky would have found themselves at this

Donnie:

Where else you gonna go?

CryBaby:

that's fair. And I mean the carnival is like, It's kind of a fun final set piece. I get what Don was going for. He wanted something to like juxtapose the strict, rigid vibe of the first part of the movie. it does feel kind of out of nowhere.

Donnie:

Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting to go to the carnival with all the bright lights and the sounds and the music after having been at this drab military academy for so long where everything is, you know, very dark in color and, and, it does feel a little forced. I agree with you on that. but I like it. For some reason I'm like, I totally buy that there is a carnival in the middle of nowhere, with all these people at it, no cars. I'm, I'm willing to accept it.

CryBaby:

I will accept that But to Silva and Andy go into this lost and found tent Where Tyler was with this friendly security guard and they find the security guard dead

Donnie:

a little bullet hole

CryBaby:

the tiniest bullet

Donnie:

with a

CryBaby:

Just a little dribble of

Donnie:

It's teeny tiny because Chucky's got that little gun that makes huge sounds. Huge bullet sounds.

CryBaby:

The biggest of sounds. Cause like, they end up going into um, This is, this is kind of a fun set piece. We are back in the world of OSHA violations

Donnie:

yes

CryBaby:

This is not a safe ride.

Donnie:

Should not be, should

CryBaby:

Um, something about the final act.

Donnie:

Yeah.

CryBaby:

Yeah, the final act is always like a safety

Donnie:

The final act violates OSHA. Every time.

CryBaby:

but it's pretty cool. It's almost like a haunted house roller coaster.

Donnie:

it's a haunted house, but you sit in a little car that goes around a track.

CryBaby:

I would totally fucking ride this ride.

Donnie:

me too. and it must be huge, because once they're inside, this thing is absolutely massive.

CryBaby:

So many nooks and crannies.

Donnie:

All the nooks has done that thing where he hijacks a person. so he's hijacked Tyler and makes him run into the very foggy and scary haunted house. And, uh, Chucky has a gun, at this point. He's got that little gun.

CryBaby:

Which I think he got from the lost and found.

Donnie:

the security guard guy must have had it in the room or something, in a drawer, because when It the The drawer. It was in the drawer.

CryBaby:

The drawer. Well, it's funny cause he opened up the drawer to offer Tyler some gum and there's like rubber bands in there. There's like some toys and then there's a gun.

Donnie:

gun.

CryBaby:

There's a single gun in this lost and found.

Donnie:

gotta hold on to it just in case anybody comes back for it. Right next

CryBaby:

True.

Donnie:

rubber bands. when De Silva and um, Andy find the dead security guard, De Silva takes his actual weapon off of his hip. It's a little six, well it's pretty big. It's a six shooter. Um, so now they have a gun as well.

CryBaby:

Yes, we're all loaded up and ready

Donnie:

That's right. And then, uh, De Silva and Andy follow them into this haunted house, which is, again, tremendously cool. And they're hunting for Chucky, and as all of this is happening, uh, Chucky opens fire and hits De Silva in her leg.

CryBaby:

Yeah. and it's so funny cause to Silva is trying to shoot Chuckie back, and she's supposedly like a really good shot. Like she's really good with guns, and she keeps missing. I think she fires like two or three rounds and totally misses, and then Chuckie one shot, right to the knee. She's done.

Donnie:

done. Yeah, with his little doll hands. I mean, who knows? Maybe the Lakeshore Strangler was also a skilled marksman.

CryBaby:

Who knows? But, this is basically, I like to think of this as the Gale Weathers treatment, where it's like at the beginning of the third act, the supporting character gets shot and just like, sidelined for the rest of the uh, the rest of the movie. She's out of

Donnie:

Yep. They need to do something with her to get her away, so, you know, we'll just shoot her and, and, and, you know, they tie a tourniquet on her leg, which is very bad for you by the way. yeah, yeah, a tourniquet can end up cutting off the blood flow to the point that you end up needing, like, the leg removed. So, yeah, you shouldn't, unless you're ready to have the leg removed, or you're going to die, it's not usually a good idea. But I'm not a doctor, so, I'm just a retired EMT. What do I know?

CryBaby:

Well, that's good to know. I'll be sure not to, turn a kid.

Donnie:

try

CryBaby:

Unless absolutely have

Donnie:

you absolutely have to. But they've put a tourniquet on her, and now she, you can kind of forget about her. You can just put her in the back of your mind, and you don't have to really worry about what De Silva's up to.

CryBaby:

Yeah. Cause she has a reason to no longer be there, but you know that she's not dead.

Donnie:

know that she's not dead. exactly.

CryBaby:

And so they go into the next portion of this haunted house. And this is where all of our safety violations live. So, first off, there's this giant Grim Reaper that has a giant scythe that is on like a sensor or a timer or something And it swings down whenever a cart comes by. As Tyler's trying to escape from Chucky, he falls into this, like, hole in, the scenery in, like, one of these fake rocks. His leg falls in and he gets stuck And Chucky catches up to him, and this just so happens to be underneath where the fuckin scythe swings down. And as a car goes by, the scythe swings down and Ooh, it's so cool. Half of Chucky's face gets sliced the fuck

Donnie:

Yep, it's pretty cool. This It's a pretty cool effect. Yep, one side of his face just completely gets sliced off.

CryBaby:

I love it so

Donnie:

You can see that there's mechanics there. You can see the mechanics of the doll. But it's also bloody because he's, you know, turning into a real life, I don't know, I want to say human, but something like that. So it's just this messy Gooey, deliciousness.

CryBaby:

Yeah, it's, good job on the designers for that. It looks so sick.

Donnie:

it does look,

CryBaby:

Yeah, and when this happens Tyler is able to very easily get his leg out of that

Donnie:

Yeah.

CryBaby:

sudden

Donnie:

And he climbs onto this flying piece. I don't know if it's a bat or something, but it's this big thing that's attached

CryBaby:

like a demon,

Donnie:

Yeah, it's something, something spooky. And he manages to just swing onto it like it's a little horse and it carries him up. and he rides the thing and ends up on the top of this, like, is that the skull mountain? I called it skull mountain. Cause it looks like a bunch of skulls.

CryBaby:

Yeah, it does. It also kind of reminds me of, um, do you remember the show guts? It was like an Obstacle course, on Nickelodeon.

Donnie:

remember that.

CryBaby:

And they had this mountain that you had to climb that had like all these explosive elements and stuff. It was called The

Donnie:

The crag, wow, yeah. Okay, yeah, that is very similar to what it is.

CryBaby:

Cause this does have like steam elements and stuff, and my favorite thing, we've talked about this before, whenever we have Chucky like hitchhiking something, you always see his little legs kicking. And he, as Tyler is riding this demon thing up. Chucky is dangling from the bottom and his little feet are kickin

Donnie:

That

CryBaby:

Mm hmm.

Donnie:

You know, as cute

CryBaby:

It is really cute.

Donnie:

And when he gets to the top, this struck me as amusing because he gets up to the top and this, demon bat thing that he's riding turns around like swings a bit in a circle barely touches him knocks him right out like he just falls unconscious just you know just like boop and out so now he's completely at chucky's mercy

CryBaby:

And so Andy finds his way into this and he almost gets hit by a cart and he goes underneath the tracks and everything, and this is when he sees a very large, human sized fan. Spinning so rapidly, uncovered. It's just raw to the world.

Donnie:

probably probably the biggest OSHA violation, in this movie. But yeah, to me, it was like a helicopter blade. Which made me think of war, which made me, you know, kind of goes with the movie it was like this Vietnam flashback helicopter blade, you know

CryBaby:

I can see that actually. It is very reminiscent of a helicopter braid. Even the sound that it makes is very, like, copter. And it's like this fan's only purpose is to make it look like there's fire.

Donnie:

up the fabric.

CryBaby:

it's like A sky dancer,

Donnie:

A sky dancer, Yeah,

CryBaby:

unnecessarily dangerous.

Donnie:

You know, we have to have an idea of

CryBaby:

Mm hmm, very much so. There has, and it also, it does kind of heighten the stakes a bit more because it's like anybody Could fall into

Donnie:

into it, Except for Da Silva because she's, she's gone. And then we get, one of the best parts of the movie, which is, um, we finally get the chance that we've all been waiting for. And we get one of the longest versions of that chant that I remember hearing.

CryBaby:

this is when you get to see that, um, a good chunk of the incantation is in, like French or Creole. And we get the mashed potato clouds!

Donnie:

clouds, you can tell special effects haven't made that much of a jump between the late 80s and the early 90s. They're pretty much the same thing. Um, but I do love the mashed potato clouds with the purple lightning that goes through them.

CryBaby:

And so Andy is trying to climb this skull mountain to get to them. and he ends up falling down and trying to climb back up and falling down. And then he realizes, Ooh, I have a gun. we get the nice callback to our, uh, Unchained Melody moment with him and Da Silva And he shoots off

Donnie:

Yep. Blows his arm. right off at the shoulder.

CryBaby:

Chucky falls back And Andy is able to get to Tyler. There's so many names. Andy gets up to Tyler and, Wakes him up, and when this happened, Chucky Sneaks

Donnie:

Sneaks attack. That's his favorite little, like, back onto his back thing. And he makes the Chuck, the, the stagnant Chucky feral face you have. You do that so

CryBaby:

Yeah, It's wild. Thank you It's, you know, It's, from all those years of gooning. I know how to.

Donnie:

You know how to. do it. Mmm, that'll do it.

CryBaby:

What ends up happening though is Tyler falls off the side of the mountain and is dangling simply from Andy's grasp. and he's about to potentially fall into this giant OSHA a big old fan

Donnie:

big old fan the big old helicopter fan. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, he passes the tiny pocket knife that we've seen several times throughout the movie, he passes it up to Andy, who is able to, think he cuts Chucky's hand off. Yeah, just, bloop, in a very Star Wars moment. And just cuts his hand off and then, um, Chucky falls

CryBaby:

He like, chucks them off of him too. Like, He cuts it and then just, boop!

Donnie:

Because now Chucky has no hands to hold on.

CryBaby:

Exactly, poor

Donnie:

He's lost, he lost the, that possibility. So, yep, he gets tossed down into the big spinning vortex of death.

CryBaby:

Yeah, and we get this fun little slow motion shot of Chucky falling, and it's so dainty cause he has no hands, so his sleeves are like flapping past his stumps,

Donnie:

and like his

CryBaby:

like, his hair is blowing in the wind. It's kind of cute, I'm not gonna lie, It's so gross, but it's also fun. It's cute. And Chucky hits the fan and immediately explodes. Like blows the fuck

Donnie:

Yeah, he hits the fan and just kind of goes instead of really getting caught in the fan, you know?

CryBaby:

Yeah. and there's even like explosion sound effects.

Donnie:

Very

CryBaby:

That's true. Very, very warlike. And then from here, similarly to child's play 2, it very rapidly wraps up.

Donnie:

does. Um, Andy

CryBaby:

like DeSilva's in the

Donnie:

he pulls Tyler up and then we see De Silva getting into an ambulance, being loaded into an ambulance, and Andy gets put in the backseat of a cop car. And, um, I think he says something to Silva, like she says, Are you going to be okay? And he says something like, I've been here before. And, gets put in the cop car. Cop car drives away. Movie ends. That's it. movie's over now. Here are the credits.

CryBaby:

Yeah, you know what? This I don't think endings are a strong point of the first three

Donnie:

hmm.

CryBaby:

Or, I would say maybe the second and the third one, at least. very abrupt.

Donnie:

Yeah, they're very abrupt. It feels like no real resolution was written. So they just kind of like threw in a couple of lines of dialogue and said, that'll do it. You know, we need to go, we need to be in post

CryBaby:

it?

Donnie:

now. So we got to wrap this up, you know?

CryBaby:

I mean, less than a year From, like, inception to release is insane.

Donnie:

And they were just churning them out. Yeah! just

CryBaby:

Yeah!

Donnie:

they were doing well.

CryBaby:

But this one wasn't really received that well. Which is why I think we have such a large gap between Child's Play 3 and Bride of Chucky.

Donnie:

And why I think there's such a different feel and element to this movie and then the next one, which is just like, total camp.

CryBaby:

I have a lot of thoughts about why that is and I'm gonna tease the listeners a little bit and be like, you're gonna have to tune into our Bride of Chucky episode to hear my thoughts on that. but yeah, that's Child's Play 3. Um, Overall, we kind of know how you feel about it, but what you know, What elements of this movie do you think are innately queer, if any? Do you think there's anything queer about this movie?

Donnie:

Any time there's any kind of toxic masculinity, there's an undercurrent of queerness or fear of queerness. So, this movie does strike me as a little, you know, homoerotic, and there are its little moments here and there where you're like, Ooh, that seemed kinky, you know? but at the same time, I think those things are, although they're inherently queer, they're not necessarily intended, It's just the culture that comes with the military, if that makes sense.

CryBaby:

No, I totally, I get what you're saying. this has the potential to be very subversive and have strong queer undertones, or at least you know, very intentionally challenge this masculine patriarchal system. I don't think it's quite there yet. It could have gone there but I don't think it quite gets there where it's more of a commentary on toxic masculinity this idea of boys not being able to play with dolls or this is what a real man does. You know, it's, I feel like it could have gone in that direction but it's

Donnie:

Yeah, it didn't,

CryBaby:

The most queer thing that I think about this movie, I do, again, I don't think it's intentional, but I think sorry, my man Botnik, there's something about that performance that is very cruisy, and, you know, there's this fetish feeling to how he operates and, is it a positive depiction? Not really, but I do think that there is some sort of queer campy undertone

Donnie:

hmm. Yeah, I will definitely agree with you on that.

CryBaby:

but overall it's most certainly not the gayest movie of the

Donnie:

certainly not. It's the least

CryBaby:

least

Donnie:

Yeah, probably is the least gayest it's kind of a mess. been so easy. to gay it up a

CryBaby:

Yeah, I think so. I mean, but then again, I'm also thinking like, the time that this movie was made, I don't know if it would have ever gotten there. You know, today, of course it would totally go there, but yeah, after child's play three, I think it's like seven years until we get the next child's play movie.

Donnie:

big chunk of time.

CryBaby:

Yeah. and then at that point, like this is the last of child's Play Cause, from here on out, it's all of

Donnie:

Uh,

CryBaby:

my thought is because they realized that this movie is evolving to be more about Chucky. you know, we are now entering the post Scream era of horror. And you know, you're gonna get a lot more meta, you're gonna get a lot more self aware. And I think that the creators, and especially Dawn. Realize that people are going to be watching these movies for Chucky, along with it, um, shifting tonally, we also shift point of views. Because here on out, at least for the next two, we're with Chucky's point of

Donnie:

Right. That makes sense to put the focus on Chucky. And, you know, plus we do away with the storyline of Andy that we've been following, so, you know, it kind of reinvents itself.

CryBaby:

Exactly, and I think, You know, again, to just ooze and gush over Don Mancini, he typically tries not to do the same thing over and over again. He always tries to do something new with the movies, and I think it was a smart decision, especially after the, um, failure, so to speak, of this movie, to focus on something that's not Andy. Or Chucky trying to get Andy, you know? I don't know, I feel like I'm not as enthusiastic about Child's Play 3 in this episode. I do like this movie, Like, again, it has a special place in my heart, But yeah, comparatively it's, uh, Bottom of the toy box.

Donnie:

we go. The Bottom of the toy box. Well, I look forward to talking about that next one.

CryBaby:

Me, too, uh, with that said, Donnie, where can our listeners find You

Donnie:

can find me usually at my apartment in Queens, but online, you can find me at the Donnie Cianciato on Instagram and, trans voices cabaret also on Instagram. I'd love to see you at either one of those places.

CryBaby:

Yes, follow both of

Donnie:

Yes, please.

CryBaby:

I will not bully you, dear

Donnie:

but

CryBaby:

but I will aggressively encourage you to support Donnie and to support Trans Voices

Donnie:

Yes, thank you very much. course.

CryBaby:

and of course y'all can find me, Crybaby, at CryinInPublic, underscores in between each word, cryin, underscore in, underscore public. And then, of course, HorrorIcon, follow HorrorIcon, that's W H O R R O R icon pod, Um, and yeah, with all that said cuties, thanks so much for spending some time with us, and until next time, don't be scared, unless you're into that sort of thing.

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