It's 4/20 Henny (with Queer Horror High)

What's the high tea Christine? In this special 4/20 episode CryBaby welcomes Chris Vecchio from Queer Horror High; a "potcast" where hosts Chris and Nickey get high and talk horror. Chris shares a little about themselves and their experience as a horror podcast host before they discuss how cannabis is depicted in film and how the stoner trope has evolved over time. For dessert, CryBaby and Chris share their “nightmare blunt rotation” made up of some of their FAVORITE horror icons. What a TREAT!

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What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody, but.

Queer Horror high: 0:20

hi Acuities, and finally, welcome back to the Horror Icon Podcast, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. You know me, it's good to see you again. I'm crybaby the spooky slut from your Wettest Nightmares. And I am so motherfucking excited to introduce you to our guest today. This is a long time friend of the pod, since before I even got started. Everybody say hello and give it up for Chris Veo from Queer Horror. Hi. go. Hello. Thank you for having me. Of course. Thank you for joining. I just have to listen to this'cause your intro music, I love it. Claps up. It was made by my boyfriend actually. Shut up. That's so awesome. Did your boyfriend do the voice? No, that's me. That's me. Okay. She pissed all the way down. Welcome to Horror icon. Chris, I'm so excited to have you here. This is, uh, for pulling back the curtain'cause that's what I do. I'm using a new software today, everybody. I did not get along well with the one I was using before and I literally started learning this yesterday. So, uh, lots of takes being taken, lots of patience from Chris. Much appreciated. but yes, fuck yeah. Thank you so much for being here. I'm so excited. How are you doing today? I'm doing well. I just came back from a few days in Long Beach, I'm energized. I'm having a good time. It's a nice, beautiful sunny day in San Diego. Oh, I'm so glad to hear that. It just got sunny here in New York, like this past week has been mm-hmm. Nothing but rain. It's a fucking pain in the ass. but yeah, this is, um, another reason I'm super excited to have you here. This is our four 20 episode. Hell yeah. Anybody better to be here for this? So, Chris is the host of, queer horror. Hi. And why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about your podcast and what you do. Talk about. So we're. a queer horror podcast.'cause I love a pun. I can't, I can't get away from it. Queer Horror High is also a pun. Just on like high school. not, you know, the greatest time of most queers lives. So I thought, let's reclaim this shit and have a more fun, like, you know, high school Kiki, sort of stoner podcast where it's far more fun and there's less pressure. And that's why our show is not super structured. We have some segments, but the segments are mostly to talk about what we're high on and what we recommend you to get high on to watch the movie that we are covering, which I love. And speaking of that, I know, your co-host Nickey always asks Chris, what's the high tea? What are you smoking on today? are you smoking today? Yes, I am. Hell yeah. What are we smoking? Blackberry moonshine, which is a indica dominant hybrid and it's really fruity and very stony and strong, so. That's why my eyes look like this. Hell, yeah. Uh, quick question for,'cause I'm a one hit wander. Right? Okay. I, I love the Devil's Cabbage. I'm a big fan of it. Mm-hmm. I just, I get so affected by it. Mm-hmm. And so I don't milk that often. So, uh, for me and for some of our listeners who may not be as familiar as you are, what do you mean when you say super stony? it, it washes over you, not only in the head, but the body as well. So when, when I say super stoney, I mean like, this shit puts me in my place figuratively and literally, I tend to be, what New Yorkers like to say high strung. That's like New York for anxious as fuck. So, um, oh yeah. I thought you were doing another pun here. Like high strung. Oh, you know what though? I, I'm gonna use it now. You are high strung, baby. I am. Because even on like grams and grams of weed, I'm still a chatty motherfucker. It's just who I'm, can I curse? Oh, please. Absolutely. Yes. I've dropped, I don't even know how many curse words I've dropped so far. Cuss away to the safe space. so she's smoking. I did not smoke. I have a gig that I'm getting ready for where I have to sing, so I did take an edible. I'm an edible. Girly. There you go. And I took it about maybe 45 minutes ago, so we got a ticking time bomb going on right now, so let's see how this goes. you and Nickey started this podcast how long ago? Three and a half years ago. I was at a job that I hated so much, and I had started to listen to some true crime podcasts because the one perk was that it was mindless enough for some of it that I could, I was allowed to. So I found some true crime stuff, but then I was like, you know, this is fun. But it, the world was really dark at the time, so I was like, uh, I'm, I'm looking for something a little funnier, a little brighter. So then I found my way into more like film podcasts, but a lot of them were really dry. And like, I'm a film buff in general. Like horror is my favorite genre, but I know a good amount about film history and like the Oscars, even though, fuck that, fuck the academy. But, um, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mm-hmm. All awards bodies, for the most part are trash. It's so masturbatory. It's, mm-hmm. Yeah. Anyway, it's fun for the fanfare, but I will never pay any subscription service to watch the Oscars. I will find a way to like get FUBU tv for free for a month. You know, like, I am not absolutely. I am not giving them my money. What was I talking about? The show? Okay. Yes. So just, I was looking for something funny, silly, getting into the More Film Buffy podcast. It was like, okay, I like a lot of these, but I'm not getting the entertainment value that I want. I'm just getting facts. So I was like, I wanna create something that focuses on the genre that I like. And is also funny And when I conceptualized this, I got home from work after a terrible day. I got so high and I was just like, uh, I just was like, I need to brainstorm a concept. I wanna just get it done. I wanna stop thinking, oh, what if I did it and just do it? And I was like, the only person that I feel like I can laugh with and talk about horror movies in particular and is like queer, but also not in the same queer demographic as me is Nickey. And I asked her and she immediately said yes. I asked her at work the next day when I was miserable again. I was like. Do you wanna do a podcast with me about horror where we get really high and she's like, yes. Oh, I love that. Because you and Nickey have such killer chemistry. Yeah, we, it's so fun. We met eight years before we started the show at Buffalo Exchange. We had a ritual where we would basically go to Sprouts. I don't know if you know what a Sprouts is. They don't have the Of course I know what a Sprouts is. Okay. Oh right. You're from Vegas? I'm, I'm from Vegas. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. So we would go to Sprouts. We would get a deli sandwich. We would go to Balboa Park, which is the big park in San Diego. And I live really close to it. We would just go to usually this one bench by the Rose garden and get super fucking high. And usually if we watch stuff, we didn't, we watched horror movies one once in a while, but mostly what we did was watch Trash Reality television. No, I can tell that trashy reality TV is your thing because mm-hmm. I can relate, you reference what I like to call the golden era of reality tv, which is like around 2007 when we had like Flavor of Love, America's Next Hot Model. Mm-hmm. All that stuff. I can totally tell that trashy reality TV is in your blood.'cause it is, it comes up a lot on the podcast, everybody. God, it does. Like I could name every single person on the first season of Flavor of Love. I think I've said this to you before. I know for a fact that'cause I, I rated and reviewed your podcast on Apple Podcast'cause that's Oh, thank you so much. I call it Kissing the Homies Goodnight. Mm-hmm. but I am pretty sure I wrote down something along the lines of like, listening to your podcast is very much like I'm, it's like one 30 in the morning or in someone's backyard. We're sitting around that shitty Yes. Okay. Frosted glass. And I had that, my parents had that white table with the frosted glass in the middle and we sat around and smoked many a time around it. So you are totally right. Mm-hmm. That's exactly the vibe and that's why I love it. have you always been a fan of horror? Yes. Ever since I was a, a baby, I can't remember. Not loving it. Do you remember your first horror experience? I do. When I was, I don't know, I don't literally remember this experience from the very first time.'cause I was literally one years old actually. Not even, I was four months old. my grandma from the time that I was a baby until probably I was, I don't know, eight or so, would wear this ridiculously scary witch mask. And there's a picture of her holding me, as a baby, wearing that witch mask where I look terrified, but also so excited. probably when I was three or four, that's when I can remember being in her like kitchen hallway where the, there was this little like, wooden pantry closet and opening that pantry closet to get like canned peaches.'cause I loved canned peaches as a kid and then closing it, she scared the shit outta me. And, I loved it. I loved being scared'cause I feel like it made me feel alive, I feel like you were born to be in a whore.'cause you were, were you born on Friday the 13th? Or you're just I was born on the 13th. You were? I was born on Friday the 13th, June 13th, 1986. I'm so jealous. I wish I was born on the 13th. Mm-hmm. Born on the 31st. Of course I had to flip it, Okay. And that's still fun though. You're still a Gemini. A hundred percent. We love Geminis in this house. We do not accept Gemini. Slander. Haters. Get the fuck out. Just throwing that. And uh, Nickey has a Gemini moon, so, you know, we're basically, we're reversed. I'm Gemini Virgo. She's Virgo Gemini. Oh, that's so funny. Mm-hmm. Of course you're gonna be good friends then. Yeah, we're chatty, analytical, we overthink everything. Mm-hmm. And then you get really fucking high while you do it. Exactly. Makes it even better. do you remember your, the first horror movie you ever watched? The first one that I can remember watching was Psycho. Um, really, my aunt plunged me into that right away. the two that she showed me when I was, I believe like five or six, were psycho in The Shining. And her son was a little too young. He's a year and a half younger than me. And also like at, at that age, I just clearly gravitated towards spooky stuff and he didn't. So sometimes when he would go to bed up until I was probably around 10 years old, we would watch horror movies together. And the first one I remember was for sure a psycho. And I was obsessed right away. The cinematography too, just the atmosphere. I love something atmospheric. That's interesting.'cause I had a very similar, thing where when I was younger, I, I, I, for some reason, I would not sleep in my bedroom. I would always sleep in the living room with my grandmother and, it would be late at night and we'd be watching horror movies together. Mm-hmm. Like little four or 5-year-old, gay baby me sipping on her Pepsi and Brandy, oh, that's, that's how my, uh, delinquents got started. So since this is the four 20 episode, I also have to ask a little bit more about mm-hmm. Your experience with the weed. do you remember the first time that you got high? It's literally, don't remember the exact first time, I had one encounter with weed in high school. but there was a lot of bizarre circumstances around that, so I didn't get high and like I didn't really smoke it, but the first time I really got stoned was in college in Buffalo. In a dorm room. Honestly, we shouldn't have been smoking in there or it was in my friend Brittany's car. It was definitely with her that I smoked. And her, she had a big old mercury Grand Marquee I think, or some, maybe it was a Buick. I don't know. It was one of those big boats of a car and it was named Bessie because she was a big bitch we definitely got high a lot in Bessie, so it was probably there. That's so funny. I would've thought that you'd be like a high school boomer. No. I started late, I was in New York when you grow up, we were heavy drinkers as kids. I could never drink as much as I did when I was 17 Now, you know? I feel like drinking was more fun at 17.'cause very similar. Yeah. In Las Vegas. Like we start young too. but if I do that now I'm fucking dead. Yeah. I cannot drink like that anymore. I used to be able to, I would go to high school, hungover. I would go to college hungover, I would go to work hungover. And now it's like I will do anything to avoid a hangover. Can't do that shit no more. That's why I smoke way more weed. It's like, you know, it's not like you technically can get a hangover. It's like a totally different type of hangover. It's more of just like you wake up groggy or like you feel like the high never really dissipated'cause you went to bed and your body stopped, like fully metabolizing it out of you, but mm-hmm. I much prefer that feeling to anything related to alcohol. With that said, I do have an alcoholic beverage too. I kind of technically do. I'm drinking kombucha. Oh yeah? Yeah. There's a little in there. There's a little bit in there. I'm drinking what I used to drink in high school. They, these are like in again Did you, just outta curiosity, um, no, you were,'cause we're around the same age. You got to experience the original recipe of Four Loco. Yeah. Oh yes I did. Who? Oh my god of my life. They made you feel like you were gonna have a heart attack. What did they take out of it? Was it like Goring or something like that? I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I just remember, I played very stupidly. I played a game of Flip cup with Four Loco. I'm actually, I'm a flip cup champion. Like legally or like, oh, no, no, no. Um, there was like a, a rugby association in Long Island where I grew up they would get together, do a fundraiser. I don't remember what these fundraisers were for at the time, but there was a flip cup tournament that they would host. I think the fourth year we won and we were down a player, so someone had to like double up the drinking and flipping, but it had to be like the same person every time and I was like, you know what, I'll do it. And we won that year and I was like, good for me. Gosh, I had no idea I was in the, the company of such excellence here. Goodness. Yeah. I was always good at flip cup. Mm-hmm. Oh, I wish inconsistent as always with me. How's your experience been, with making your podcast? It is so hard, but I love it. It's like, it really is a labor of love. Like our show is not low budget, it is no budget. Like we have, you know, it just, we have not really put money into it in that way. We just have a good fucking time. And with that comes maybe sometimes irregular scheduling and inconsistencies with releasing episodes. But anytime I release an episode and we're done, I'm so proud. Even if it's crunchy, it's just like the intention, setting a goal, doing it, finishing it, and hearing the final product is always satisfying regardless of how it turns out. Yeah, it's, I would agree with you. It's very fucking hard. I'm looking directly into the camera here. It's very fucking hard. It's hard. Um, there's a reason why I think the last episode I released of this podcast was back in September, and that's because I immediately. Immediately went into working like four jobs for about five months. Yeah. And then now I'm just significantly less employed. But, uh, you know, I feel very, very fortunate to be able to put some of that time into it.'cause you're right, it takes, it's so tedious. It's so fucking tedious. Mm-hmm. So worth it. It is worth it. And what I will say, as somebody who pretty regularly listens to your podcast, I think I am never thinking about any of the technical stuff, like any background sounds or anything like that. Mm-hmm. And I think a huge part of that is again, your relationship with Nickey and just mm-hmm. How you banter. It's less like you're listening to something and more like you're part of a conversation. Okay. That's good to hear. Of course. That's what we always hope. That's how it goes. That our chemistry and our ability to just talk with each other seamlessly and not feel awkward, um mm-hmm. Is what we hope, like supersedes maybe some of the technical shortcomings. Because again, we are no budget, we don't have a network or any sponsors. We've never had an ad. I'm not saying we never will, but probably won't. I, I don't know, I don't want someone to have to be like, you can't do this because my adss in your show. I could totally imagine a weed centric company or something being down to, but it's like, it's so niche, you know? It is so niche and social media, especially the Metaverse, makes it so difficult for regulated goods to appear anywhere on their platforms. So, yeah. meta instituted policies that it's across the same, across the whole world. So, because weed is not legal in most of the world, and neither is alc, well, not that alcohol is not legal, but it is highly regulated, far more in other places than it is in the United States. but they try to make it streamlined so they don't have to do more work, even though they're a rich corporation. I have a question. Mm-hmm. About, what you cover and like how you decide what you're gonna cover. you said you don't really plan all too much, right? It's usually random, I'll be like, I wanna cover this movie. And then the next time we record, I'll be like, Nickey, which one do you wanna cover? And then we just kind of bounce'em off like that. there's some times where we have a period where we'll release something for a specific occasion. We've had several Black History Month episodes. Um, we've had a few Pride ones here and there. We always have a 4 21. It's been far more free and just kind of like whatever peaks our interest in the moment and whatever we feel like we can talk about where we can both contribute to the conversation. we went to do his house one year. Mm-hmm. And we were like, uh, one, this movie is very serious and it should be, it's a really strong social commentary about immigration. And while Nickey is African American, she's not a black immigrant from Africa, so we were like, maybe, maybe we just talk about what we like about this movie in, in like a smaller part of an another episode. But we don't wanna cover stuff where our, commentary isn't really needed or informed. So we try to always keep that in the back of our heads too. Yeah. I honestly, I really respect your thought process around what you're potentially adding to the conversation, if anything. Mm-hmm. Around certain tone. Thank Nickey for that. She was very good at kind of teaching me like, I feel uncomfortable with this and I feel like your voice might not be right for this conversation. And I agreed with her and it just was like one of those aha moments of yeah, this fear of, podcasting in general is often straight white men still, or straight white people. And sometimes I've listened to podcasts where I'm like, you honestly literally have no idea what you're talking about here. And the detention is usually always good, but it's like. Maybe you could have chose something else where you could enlighten me instead of me thinking that maybe someone needed to enlighten you. Yes, very much so.'cause at that point, again, nine times outta 10, I'm sure the intentions aren't malicious, but mm-hmm. It's more so, topping on something because it's current or because it's going to be like a token moment It's like a checkbox or something along those lines. So I feel you there. personal side note, one of my favorite episodes is a non horror episode that y'all did. Okay. Pimp My Penguin, although I,'cause it was the, Batman, what was it? Batman Returns, right? Yeah. Because, or the villains in that are all wonderful and out of all the Batman movies, I would say the two Tim Burton ones, while I am not the biggest Tim Burton stand as a human, um, they are the most horror forward for sure. Very much the atmosphere, the mood, and I mean, Michelle Pfeiffer is Selena Kyle, yeah. What little queer child didn't see her in that catsuit and was like mm-hmm. I'm feeling things and it, I'm not sure what things they are. Clearly now it was, I wanna be her, not, I wanna do her, I wanna be her. I want that. I wanna serve this energy in my life. Mm-hmm. And I'm unsure if I ever did, but I'm still hoping to Same, same, same. Definitely an inspiration. And my drag is Michelle Pfeiffer's. Mm-hmm. Catwoman a the edibles kicking in. This is great. Yay. It was very happy. Yeah. And my kombucha's gone. what's in the future for Queer Horror High? We are a little, open-ended at the moment, but we do have our four 20 episode on the substance coming out on four 20. Oh, hopefully. Um, oh, I'm so there. I am so fucking there. I I'm excited for that one. Yeah. We wanted to do an episode, for Women's History Month, but so many things happen and then it was like, you know what, four 20 is a perfect time to,, release an episode about a movie called The Substance. You know, it's topical in general just because it was just nominated for Oscars that came out last year, but also, substances are abused in it. So perfect time to talk about it. We're also gonna do an episode for, my birthday this year because it's my next Friday, the 13th birthday. Oh, that's awesome. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's so fun. What is it gonna be a Friday, the 13? It has to be a Friday the 13th. I'm not sure because like we've done Friday the 13th episodes on other films. We did it on 13 Ghosts, you know, 13. We do it on Killer Space just to switch it up. But we might return to Friday the 13th, part three, because I do feel like, it's been a while, but I'm not sure We haven't discussed that yet. We haven't really discussed any of this too much yet because we've been a little more fluid. But, um, it's my Friday the 13th birthday, we cannot pass it up especially,'cause my last one was skipped'cause the leap year. So, you know, I haven't had one since I was, I think 27, Oh damn. Yeah, we gotta get you in there then. Mm-hmm. I was gonna say, I think for the substance that could also, I mean it's like a, a Belated Woman's History month spiel too, right? Because Oh yeah, Yeah. It definitely tackled beauty standards and all the shit that we do or women have done mostly to their bodies, because society. Says to, and then the way that society is like, well, you shouldn't have gone that far. And it's like, well, maybe you should have not shamed me. Yeah. 100. So we definitely touch on that type of shit in the substance. excellent. So I have some rapid fire interview questions for you, Chris. Okay. Yes. Uh, I'm ready. This is something I'm trying to do for every time somebody, it's like their first time on the show. Mm-hmm. So we're gonna kick it off. Don't think about it. Just quick fryer response. First thing, most important question, are we feeling hydrated today? Literally, never once in my life have I felt hydrated. I like water, but most of the time I drink water it's because I feel like, oh my God, I need some fucking water right now. And that means you're not drinking enough. fair enough. I just like flavor, my nose doesn't work very well, so I tend to not probably be able to taste as well as most people, so I like lots of flavor in everything. I'm finding out that we have a lot more in common than I thought because I too do not have the best sense of smell. Okay. I, too very much love getting just a salted in the palate by flavor. Mm-hmm. No bland food for me. No, no, no, no. speaking of food, what's your favorite go-to snack? Reese's. Reese's Eses Peanut butter cup. I love them. I think they're probably an evil company though, so I should probably slow down on that. But my God, I love chocolate and peanut butter. What's your favorite strain? If I had to pick one, it would be purple punch. it tastes like grapes and blueberries. I like a fruity indica. I've said that on my show before. I love a fruity Indica. Purple punch is, I think it's either indica or indica dominant hybrid. I used to like Blue Dream when I was younger before I realized that there were more options available.'cause Blue Dream is super tasty and it's like a basic strain that most people know. But it definitely is one that like, takes you up a little bit and I need to go down. I will have to try that one. I honestly, I'm not gonna lie, I know nothing about strains. I just show up and I didn't until recently. Oh really? Yeah. Probably was like five years ago. That makes me feel better.'cause I feel like it's such a pillow princess when it comes to, to weed somebody else do it for me. And I, I enjoy so. what's your most recent binge watch? Truthfully, it was Top Chef. Really? Yeah. I love Top Chef. Me and my boyfriend watch a lot of Top Chef. We've been out of it for a little bit. So we've been binging the couple of the newest seasons to catch up to the season that's currently airing. I love to cook. That's another one of my hobbies, though. I haven't been cooking as much lately. My boyfriend does way more of the cooking now. But we're both foodies. Have you done, any attempt at making your own edibles and stuff I actually haven't. Nickey has though. Oh yeah. Oh, she's gotten me fucked up all the stuff that she's made. Not surprised. like she's given me a butter before. Delicious. Very nice. Mm-hmm. Just saying if, if you love to cook, maybe something to explore. I know I should. Who's your horror crush? I have two. Okay. I have like the one that's my root is absolutely Ryan Phillipe from I Know What You Did Last Summer douchey character. But you know what, I wasn't thinking about that at the time. I wanted to be Helen; Sarah Michelle Gellar, and I wanted to be ON barry, But also when I got older and started to be into, I don't know, different types of men, like less hot, standard nineties twink. I realized my standards were wider than I once thought. And, Kirk from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the first one, oh, he's the one in the denim shirt. And it's like open, he's got all that chest hair. And then when I saw that one, I was probably in my like late teens. I was like, oh yeah. It's like, that's the ticket right there. Mm-hmm. Just like another, another facet of my type. And then he died first, and I was so sad. Yeah. But I mean, let's talk about a killer fucking death scene, though. That one's so scary. It is great. And it really does set you up for the rest of the movie. And then you do, you know, you get to see his little otter body on the table later, okay. I think I already know that what the answer to this one's gonna be, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. Which movie theater kandy would you be and why? I think, I know you would think I was gonna say Reese's, but I'm thinking about like my personality and I would be a sour patch kid because I'm colorful and I'm sour as fuck. Same, same, same, same. I think that's a Gemini thing too, because mm-hmm. When I worked at a movie theater, my nickname was Sour Patch Kid, because I would, I would insult somebody so harshly and then immediately just start cuddling with'em and just being like, it's okay. Yeah. Because like, I feel that people like us, you, you, you only insult the people who you even notice or like, thank you. Glad we're on the same page on that one. Yeah. If I don't like you, the face will be totally different. No. If I don't, honestly, if I don't like you, I'm not even interacting with you. Especially if it's someone who's trying to get me to react to them. You ain't getting nothing. Which horror movie character slash trope do you most identify with? See, this is gonna be interesting too though. I, I don't traditionally identify with the stoner. I would say really in, in more modern horror movies I do, but the stoner in old school films is more of like a carefree hippie character or, uh, you know, the comedic relief. And I can be comic relief, but I don't feel like my energy would ever be described as chill. And I think that stoners often get oh, you're so chill But overall as a human, that's just not me. To me, I've always identified with the final girl, which is so I. Obvious, but it's more so that person who's loyal and is making sure everyone's getting outta here. or at least I hope we're gonna all getting outta here, I feel like I'm someone who, someone in the horror movie who takes action, but again, isn't the alpha and still thinks, I think faced with action that I can see coming or there's a situation where I can prepare, which you never know if that's gonna be the case, but I feel like I make good decisions. Well, I was gonna say,'cause I know you're, you are very observant. You lock on things that I don't think any average person will notice. So that makes a lot of sense. You have to be the one person that actually sees what's going on. as somebody who identifies with a final girl, if you were then in a horror movie, what sub-genre do you think you could survive? I have two. I. Okay, first off, I immediately go to the slasher because the slasher is so formulaic and I am observant and the, that formula is now embedded in my head. So I feel like if I found myself in a situation that I'm like, oh, this is replicating a slasher, I would know, okay, this ain't the time to start token up. I am not such a stoner that I can't snap out of it and um, snap out of it. Sorry, I had to do a bad, a bad share impression and just crumble in my highness. and the second one is anything where there's I wanna say maybe like a witch movie or like a movie where you have to respect an entity or dead villain's boundaries, which I feel like is often something about a witch or like in a possession movie. if I'm at like a sacred burial site, I am not gonna be the one to be moving shit around. It's not'cause just I'm not gonna disrespect the culture You don't fuck with that shit. You don't wake the demon or the witch and they don't wanna kill you. And I'm not that person. did you want to do the most embarrassing moment of your life? Question? Yeah. Why not? Why not? What's the most embarrassing moment of your life? Because it ties into, flip cup again. It was at the first flip cup tournament we ever did as a team it was the first year of the fundraiser, unbeknownst to our team at the time. They were waiting for more teams to sign up, more people to come in and spend more money before they started the tournament. But everyone was playing games, so I thought we had started. So we had won like five games in a row and my team was so drunk'cause we were one of the first teams there. Then the tournament started and I'm like, we're like the tournament started, like what have we been doing this whole time? And then, we got knocked out in like the first or second round that year after winning so many games. So we went back and just started playing flip clapp at my friend's house and won Very competitive lesbian was like, I will challenge anyone to one-legged in your underwear flip cup. And I won. But at the same time now I was just beyond drunk and I woke up having like, you know, who hasn't but like peed everywhere, you know, like, ah, yeah. In the upstairs, all over, I think maybe on a friend who was sleeping on the couch and then I had to pee again and everyone had to direct me to pee out the window because we were upstairs and I was not getting down the stairs to go to the bathroom. Yeah. So, waking up and finding out that I had done all that was the most embarrassed I have ever been that, that, that is quite, yeah. My final question for you, Chris, is what are you looking forward to right now? What am I looking forward to right now? Well, in the immediate future, my Friday 13th birthday, I just feel like it's always a great time, but in general, I am just looking forward to, this administration, getting the fuck girl. Like, it's just making everyone in my circle. So in a way, energized and fired up. But fired up isn't always fun. And I know everything doesn't need to be fun, but it just feels like a serious time right now because we're at war, you know? Yeah. I co-sign that a thousand percent. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. that, that wraps up with our, rapid fire interview questions. Thank you so much for indulging me and letting me ask you a bunch of silly, nonsensical questions. You're welcome. I'm pretty open. Love it as most Geminis are. This is a, this is a Gemini love fest. Everybody, uh, music to my ears. And that sound is gonna take us right into what we came here to talk about. We're talking about weed and horror and the tropes that we see mm-hmm. Uh, with stoners., weed and horror very much go hand in hand. I think a lot of people, when they think of horror movies, one of the first things they probably think of is smoking weed, getting killed, like with all the slashes. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. but that's the genre that's most in the public consciousness, I feel like. Sub genre Yeah, I would agree. A lot of people just think that that's straight up what horror is. It's either that or a ghost movie. Yeah. Without realizing all of the, the other genres in between. Mm-hmm. but one thing I did find, interesting when I was doing my research, I found out that weed started becoming criminalized and more regulated the same time that modern cinema was coming to and being Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For madness. Read For Madness. I tried sitting down and watching it to prepare for this, and I couldn't, it's hard to watch. It's like, okay, I saw it once so long ago. And it's just so poorly made, there's a funness in it to watch it while high. Yes. Uh, marijuana, not marijuana. I don't even wanna call it that, because that's like a term that was created to make it sound ethnic and exotic so white people wouldn't wanna smoke it. Oh shit. Okay. I did not know that. Yeah, cannabis is, cannabis is a hallucinogen, but it's such a mild one. And what they show in Reve Madness is just insanity. Like, you drop four tabs of acid and even then acid doesn't do that shit either to you. So it's just so unrealistic. It, it's funny to look at it, but at the same time that really drove the conversation on how the average suburban American viewed weed at the time. And that's scary because it was so inaccurate. yeah, I, it is so interesting'cause there's some interviews and stuff that I've watched with, either actors that are from around that generation. Mm-hmm. Or like, Somebody who was an evil bong. The, the actress that played the grandma, not the grandma, but like the wife of, of the grandfather. she was very much anti weed. And it was interesting hearing her talk about it in an interview. Mm-hmm. And it was almost like she was spouting off exactly what she had seen from Reefer Madness.

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I think it isn't a good thing for anybody to take it. Their mind becomes weak, and if they don't have their drug and they don't have any money for it, eventually they'll start burglarizing stealing to get money to keep their habit.

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Wasn't her name in that movie, like Dame Marjorie, Korn Wallace. It was something so stupid. I wasn't paying attention to the names. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what her name was in that movie. Honestly like Evil Bong. We did that for our first four 20 episode on Queer Horror High. And God, right after it, I apologize to Nickey, I was like, I'm so sorry that I made you watch this. After I mentioned it, she was like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I could sense maybe a little hesitation because it is is it a Charles band movie before I commit to that? Yeah, but just, it just felt like people who maybe had smoked weed while they did other drugs as teenagers and early 20 somethings and just honed in on it because stoner culture was emerging in the two thousands again and just really didn't get it. Those characters just didn't work for me as far as the types of people who could be stoners. not that a stoner is one person, but it's prob like the uh, verbally abusive alpha jock probably is not a giant pothead, especially in 2006. I would believe that more now. But there wasn't enough nuance to that character at that time to make it believable at all. To any of the characters. No. Like the, the lead nerd character sucked in that movie. You didn't wanna root for him? the women were like, so stereotypical and like, really put in you know, a box as being annoying and kind of nuisances And then they had, uh, Cheech is it, I always mix up who it is. It is not Tommy Chong. It's Tommy Chong. Yeah. And, he just comes in at the end, but it's like, he's the only one that knew what the movie was, but even then he couldn't save it. and then his character was pretty. Misogynistic and kind of like rapey at the end, but all the mm-hmm. Oh my God. Who was it? Is it Britney Hot Wheels? Yes. But there's like Brandy C from Rock of Love, Brandy C You talking? Yes. But he's like driving the hot wheel over her titty or something at the end. Yep. Listen, I'm, I'm right there with you. The characters. I could not stand. I will say though, the more and more my edible kicked in, the more and more I started to be like, you know what? I can enjoy this and laugh at it because of, not because it's good and not because it's so bad. It's good, but because behind the scenes I know that there's a group of people that genuinely thought that this was going to be a fantastic movie. Yeah. And these are the best decisions that they could make. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like it did gain a little bit of cult status for a while, but then 10 years after that horror really kicked into high gear. also the quality of parody has become so much stronger. Mm-hmm. And people are more open to what the stoner really is, instead of just an idiot who's nice. Most of the, the stereotypes that they showed were all kind of straight stoner bro kind of stuff. Yeah. That's it. Just like, that's it. I feel like, not in literal numbers, because queer people make up roughly 10% of the population. though we don't ever really know how much we were. Probably, there's more of us than that, I feel like. Yeah, of course. Because when I was a kid, they would say it was three, but I feel like that was only out people. And in the last 20, 30 years, so many more people are out and there's so many more avenues that you have to identify as queer. It's not just like, uh, homosexual, you know? Yeah. yeah. It's significantly more fluid now for sure. Mm-hmm. So even the parodies and just the movies coming out now are way smarter and have more nuance and fine tune representation that just makes evil bond kind of a irrelevant now. No. Yeah. Because I think one of the things that I really like about a lot of parodies, like more recent, is that there's such an intelligence underneath all of it. Mm-hmm. There's a specific point of view. Oftentimes there's commentary Oh yeah. Stuff that just really enriches it versus what I think we had a lot in That era of the two thousands, which was a very mean era for horror in general. Anyway. It was mean as a good word to describe it. Mean-spirited. Very, very mean, very mean-spirited. Especially to women and gays. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Exactly. And then you had all of these movies that were intentionally trying to be bad And they were mean, and they were cheap, they were low effort. Yeah. Evil Bong was, it was not it though. let's get back to the slasher. Okay. Because I feel like the slasher is we already touched on this, a great place where the stoner trope has kind of evolved. I know for me, the first time that I can remember seeing somebody smoking weed in a horror movie and then getting punished, quote unquote for it was Halloween. Were there any other ones before? Well, well, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, they smoked, right? I believe that they did in the van. But I don't feel like, I mean, so I would, I would say that Texas Chainsaw Massacre is slasher adjacent, the tropes are not really present there, but the actual structure, a bunch of young people get picked off by a killer. Like there's the, the base is there. Um, yeah, it's like proto. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's when the early seventies is when you really started to see it forming. people usually point to Black Christmas. There's definitely slashers before Black Christmas, but I feel like black Christmas is the first one that you can point to that's like, okay, I see a lot of the tropes in this that went on later to appear in other films. Texas Chain came out the same year, but I do feel like they were going for a more grindhouse vibe. Oh yeah. So I don't feel like the weed is what caused the people in Texas Chainsaw Massacre to die. I don't feel like they were pointing to that as to why it was more so their just like unbridled curiosity. And that like comfortability that was just kind of present in the seventies that I think the Texas Chainsaw Massacre kind of brought forward to people that weren't familiar with that vibe of just like, maybe not everywhere is good for you to go. If you see a place and it looks weird, maybe trust your gut. So that movie kinda woke us up a little bit. Yeah, that's a very good point. I guess it was maybe in a way though, a way to shape those characters as being loose, careless. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So not necessarily like you smoked weed, you deserve to die, but more so similar to Halloween, how it's really kind of more of a justification I'm not trying to punish them, it's just I need them to be distracted or I'm not, you know, I just need to show that this group of people, are a certain type of person that's going to enter this person. Exactly. You know, and that's why Lori lives, because Lori's the, the one who like hits it twice like a, I think I, I like a little hamster, just barely pulling and she's so paranoid and that's like a beginner stoner, or not even a stoner, that's just maybe someone giving it to peer pressure. Because Lori wasn't the cool girl Uhhuh. She was like, if I want Ben Tramor to like me, maybe if Annie tells him that I, you know, took a hit of grass, like he'll think I'm cool. Yeah. Yeah. Annie had fun though. Annie liked to smoke weed, maybe she wasn't necessarily being punished, because I feel like the stoner trope maybe really evolved after Halloween. But it's definitely the early little seedlings of it, because, Annie's the mouthy one, she's unbridled. And I feel like weed exemplifies the idea that you are just freewheeling and anything goes. And for people whose guard is down, you're probably gonna die. And that's, you know, I think that's, you see it in Halloween too, like it starts to form there. Obviously they didn't intend it to be taken the way that it was because we, no, not Todd Carpenter and Deborah Hill. No, no, no, no. Not, not one bit. but yeah, you're right. It was an excellent tool in that movie to, to showcase the, the differences in personalities and like mm-hmm. Why this person lives and why this person doesn't. But then like everything else in the eighties, it just became more of a superficial weed. Bad you die. Oh yeah. Friday the 13th, that whole franchise. Set that up. I would say in almost every one of those films, there is probably a stoner, or at least like the stoner stereotype, even if they're not actively smoking weed, like mm-hmm. Crisp Glover, I feel like in part four is not a big stoner, necessarily he gives that unaware energy. Like, oh, I just know you're gonna die'cause you're not paying attention. You're young, you're naive, you have, you're mm-hmm. Too idealistic and hopeful about life, Absolutely. The fight with girl is usually a little cynical and smarter than the other people. Oh, absolutely. I mean, we had what, Ginny in part two who was like a child psychologist and that mm-hmm. Ended up being how she did it, Part three is definitely it's definitely considered one of the worst in the series by most people. And if you take it as a straight movie, as far as like, you know, the, the, the way the script was constructed and a lot of, of the way that the characters were written, it is definitely not a great film. But for some reason, Chris Higgins just. Steals my heart and people really don't like her. Really. She is considered, I would say, usually considered one of the worst final girls, and I really think it's because she rejects sex from Rick, the whole movie, the whole movie, the dude is trying to bang her and she's like, yeah, I'm trying to figure out my childhood trauma. I am not trying to have sex with you right now, but I think that was released in 1982. And yeah, straight men were not having her. And I felt like, unfortunately, of course not that reputation was kind of attached to that character because that film was the first one to really tackle PTSD. And I honestly can see how that film came about in the wake of, Amy Steele not doing part three as a continuation of her and part two. Mm-hmm. That clearly would've been a study of her PTSD surviving the events of the second film. I think my big problem with Friday 13th, part three and most of the films after that in the series, is that it's way too many characters and you start to lose your attachment to the characters. Sometimes. Like the first two, everyone felt so, felt actually like friends and attached. That's true. They, they seemed like they were all members of the same friend group. And now it's like there's, we move into more token. Yeah. Stereotypical like, listen, here's your stoner, here's your, this person. Mm-hmm. And also, I will get to this later, unless we want to get into it right now. Let's get into it. Yeah. Okay. Chuck and chili are two of my favorite stoners of all time. Especially, they're so fucking good chili. Actually, can I play something for you? Yeah. Because Chili gave us, in my opinion, one of the best moments of, acting that we ever could have asked for. Here it. Yep. Oh God. I love this. Me too. Here we go. Oh God. Oh my God. No urgency. Nope. She's chill. She's chilly. Ugh. Poor baby. Oh, there it goes. Pour one out for chili. Oh, pour one out for chili. Indeed. I agree with you a hundred percent. Chili is one of my favorite. They are a walking exclamation point. neon signs pointing down. It's like stoner, stoner, stoner. Yes. They're so fun. Fun. They're fun. And also she doesn't visually look like the typical stoner chuck. Absolutely. That's looks like's true. A like he should be hanging out with Ji Chong. Mm-hmm. Like he's got like a colorful shirt. He is got the headband, he's got kind of long hair. But chili, she, I mean maybe her fashion choices point to it.'cause she's wearing a blue sweater and then that necklace is not fashionably draped, but, but it's a cowboy boot, but it's the same collar as the shirt. It's just, it, it doesn't make sense, but it's amazing. Mm-hmm. And I just love how she is such a stoner because even in this moment of extreme terror, she is just moseying up those stairs. She's chilling through it. Yep. If you're listening, you should just watch the video.'cause this is a wonderful scene. I hope it's as beloved as it is for me, for like other people. I really hope. I really hope so. Yeah. Also, why were Chuck and chili there? Like everybody else, they don't seem like are friends with them, right? No. Everyone else is like, seems like 20, you know? Mm-hmm. Maybe in college, fresh outta college. Chuck and Chili seem, well, Chuck, uh, specifically seems like 35, Chili was maybe 30. I'm not really sure how old these people were, but just, they were just in the van. Yeah. All we see is the vans just getting hotbox like crazy. Well, we're led to believe that it's on fire. so there's, oh yeah, we first see it. Yeah. So there they are of course, using the stoner as a punchline as you always see. Mm-hmm. but yeah, they're just like chilling in the van. It's like, did y'all break in here? also, I love Chile in particular because it, the third film is obviously the 3D one, 3D film, and we see her early on just pass that joy, hit it and pass it to the viewer. And I really wish I was there in 19. I'm so glad you brought that up because I was gonna mention that as points for chili too. I love that shot. I've had to fight, meta many times to keep our photo of that on our wall for queer horror high.'cause I posted that at four 20 or on four 20 last year or the year before. And it got flagged so many times. Of course it did. I mean, it's, it's still there though. I have not given it. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's a great photo. And that one was good and I'm not taking it down. Yeah. It's treasure and it should be treated as such. Mm-hmm. Now what about with, cause I feel like in Slumber Party Massacre, it's also showed a bit differently than we see in other Slashers as well. With it being the Oso subtle feminists, iconic film that it is, yeah. I mean, I could imagine that weed was used as another way to, you know, do what they wanted her to do mm-hmm. While also empowering the characters in the film. Yes. I feel like what they were doing in that film is kind of similar to what Broad City did, where they take typical male behavior and just show women doing it and being like, men don't own this. Mm-hmm. Men don't own being bro out, you know, uh, smoking weed and acting all like that. These girls were all getting high, but, and they did crack a joke or two, but they weren't acting like men necessarily would, but they were still doing it while reading their women's magazines and their la Yeah. It was, it was just the feminine side of the weed coin that we didn't see that often. Mm-hmm. Especially in a movie that barely features men. yeah, I watched that for the first time last night, slumber partying. Oh, sure. Shit. Okay. I'm glad. Yeah. Oh, poor Jackie. it does crack me up that, she was so hungry as to eat the pizza from underneath the guy's dead body. I found that hilarious. I love that so much. She just opened that and then she plunked it on him and opened the box. Like she didn't even like put it on the couch or the table. She put it on his body. Right. On his, yep. Right on his body. I'm pretty sure his blood was still on the box. I don't know if it was was blood or grease, one or the other. but yeah, Jackie, I really liked her a lot. Loved she had the best negligee. Oh, she did? But also in that movie, Trish, the final girl gets high too, and she's not like Lori, where she like barely hits it like she is participating just like everyone else. They got it for her. Yeah. That Maui wowie. Mm-hmm. And it was her, just her slumber party. I think having a woman behind the camera really changes things, and I don't think people necessarily noticed it back then. I'm sure maybe some women did, but mm-hmm. The horror audience overall were probably like, oh, you know, they're just, they're doing what guys do, and I'm like, no. The point is that this isn't a guy thing. Well, I also think there was, I think there was enough of the other stuff to where people wouldn't even catch on. They're just like, but we got to see their butts and tits in the shower. Where they didn't wash properly. of course you wouldn't notice that Nickey noticed it. And it is a stereotype, and I even asked some of my white friends, and I'm sorry, I'm not gonna name who. Oh, I love you very much. But she was like, yeah, I don't always scrub this, you know, it just drips down the soap from up here and goes on my legs and it's like, no, You actually have to get the friction happening. you have to do some work here babes. you said that you wanted to talk about the thing right? I did because the thing, there's a different type of stoner in the thing. Yeah. We have Palmer, who is not a huge character. He is more of a conspiracy theorist stoner. Oh. And that is not the one you see as often, especially back then. Yeah. And like he didn't trust the government. He thought the a, uh, the government, I believe knew about aliens and was like hiding them from the public. But he was shown as a thinker. So someone that was maybe using we to, just recreationally because his mind was always going so much. Yeah. And he wasn't like a character that I was drawn to when I was younger, but now I relate to that character, mm-hmm. He's always thinking and is a little quiet, but when he's got something to say, he's gonna say it. And that's like a different type of sonar that's a little different than the, just the comic relief. And he's not that at all For sure. And I mean, it's not surprising that that's from a carpenter film either'cause No, yeah. Even in Halloween, weed was used differently in Halloween, so, it's, it, it makes absolute sense that that would be an outlier compared to everything else that we would see going on with the mm-hmm. Walking hyperbole. Yeah. This is the part where like the edibles really kicking in, so. Mm-hmm. what, oh, I can't remember. Were there any other movies from the eighties that you were looking to talk about? there's a good stoner in Day of the Dead. Oh. So here's the thing. I don't think I've seen Day of the Dead, and if I have, I don't remember.'cause all of those of the dead movies from the eighties mm-hmm. They're so interchangeable in my mind. is, uh, is Dave the Dead? The one with trash? No, Dave. The Dead's. The one in the bunker with the, um, the, like the lady scientist or researcher and they're trying to come up with a solution to. oh my God, I'm about to quote, stick stickly, simmer down the zombies, you know, like control, control them and kind of like harness the zombies energy, for, you know, capitalism essentially. But there's just one army dude who's just the chill stoner and he doesn't like, do anything. He's probably the, the nicest of the army guys, but he's just kind of like a, just another boot licker who just happens to smoke weed. But because of that, he's the one that you're like, he's definitely gonna die and get ripped apart. And he does. But I think he has a little garden and I think he, maybe he had some weed crop down there, but he was definitely, like a plant daddy. He was the cute one too. I think if you had to pick a cute one of the army guy that was him. He was like the unassuming nice guy. And I think that's an, that's kind of the avenue that the stoner is off and down. Now let's talk about, how this stoner has evolved there were some outliers that we hit on, but I think the general consensus you might agree is in the eighties, the, the stoner was essentially one type of Yes. Non-threatening comic relief. You're just there to die yeah. It's like awe, especially around that time when people go to see a slasher movie, obviously they're going to see one thing, they wanna see people die. Mm-hmm. And when you see a stoner or a group of stoners in a slasher movie, it's just kind of Like, ah, yes, I get to, I get to see somebody die. So it's almost like a guaranteed satisfaction kind of thing. I think post scream, we start to see more of a shift in How the stoner is perceived and, whether it be through some sort of satire or parody or by mm-hmm. Showcasing different types of stoners, I think as problematic as this movie, maybe I do kind of enjoy idle hands I think that it's just neat to have a stoner as the lead. That's super rare. Also, for me at that time, my God, like Devon Swa is a root for me, When I was a kid, my first crush ever that I can remember having that felt sexual was Devon Swa in Now and then I was excited to watch Idle Hands because I knew he was the guy from that. Mm-hmm. So I was in right away though, I don't know how much I connected with the stoner at that time, but even then it was really interesting to see that person be the main character and not get repercussions from the film for doing that. Exactly. Well, and also seeing a person that, and I think this is where it's, because it goes so hard into parody, it works, but having, who is so stoner? And to have that be the person that we're following, yeah, it was pretty, it was pretty interesting. It was pretty fun to see. Yeah.'cause in idle Hands, I feel like he's likable. Like I feel like we're supposed to want to relate to him, but when, you see him smoking so much that could easily alienate people in the nineties. But what worked about it for me was that usually someone who is portrayed that simple is never gonna be thought that by the audience to have the capability of coming up with any solution to Yeah. Stave off whatever, whatever the horror is in the film. Yeah. And there's something about that character. Is it a, is his name Alex? Anton. there's something about Anton that was Relatable for like the every kid of that era. Yeah. It's so late nineties to me, it's so specific to lots of the kids that I knew, even though I was a little younger than him, it still ranked totally true. But also his simplicity and because he was a stoner, his lack of totally overthinking everything is they think what works. And that's what, that's where the parody part comes in, where it's just like, yeah. His hair brain way of thinking kind of saved him. And that's the part of the comedy. Mm-hmm. But also, like, you know, it wasn't often done that way in a way to highlight the stoner trope as someone who, like, they could do it too, you know? And that's what's refreshing there. Yeah. As over the top as it was, there was still a level of empowerment to it, you know? Mm-hmm. Especially with the ending being we literally saves the day. yeah. He, the filmmakers could have easily been like, you know what, he succeeds and survives, saves Jessica Alba, but then he's like, well, I'm gonna, I'm never gonna smoke again. And I'm like, I'm glad it didn't go that route because it like humanizes the person that uses weed to cope with this fucking life. And it is not addictive in the same way as other things. And the whole gateway drug propaganda from the nineties was so intense. Oh gosh. Be being a child of dare. Holy shit. Oh my God, that shit was shoved down my throat so much. I remember, they had us write essays. Mm-hmm. And they would give out medals for who wrote the best essay. Oh, and then they, they put us all together in the cafeteria and we, we sang that Dare to Keep Off Drug song and it's, oh my It was literally indoctrination. I said this on one of, one of the episodes I did with Donnie. It was like the reefer madness of the nineties kind of, it really was. And I feel like people didn't even realize,'cause you were doing that, you may have pushed your kids to cocaine first or something else. You were focused way too much on the gateway instead of the far more dangerous and addictive drugs that, that you say leads to I feel like they were just trying to gate keep in a way that was counter, productive because you push your kids oftentimes to way harder shit or to rooting their livers with alcohol at a young age because mm-hmm. Alcohol is way more damaging on the body. I think it's so wild to me too.'cause cannabis is a schedule one drug, which is the most dangerous. Yeah. But then you have meth, which is schedule two, and then like, oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's so fricking wild how maybe cops love meth, so that's why they put it as number two. Oh, honestly, it just makes shooting people way more fun. Um, keeps'em awake I'm gonna sound like a conspiracy theorist here. Obviously it's a stoner episode. It works. It's, it's, it's intentional. Like, they're like, oh, weed is so bad. It's so bad. When in actuality it's like, so good. But they don't want us to know that. Well, also, I feel like the tobacco lobbyists were afraid, or big tobacco was afraid that weed would encroach on tobacco sales. And you know, the police and the government will always go toti bat for a lobby with a ton of fucking money. Oh, absolutely. No matter how many people it kills or whatever. I feel like we have to talk about cabin in the woods. How do you feel about cabin in the woods? I actually have fond memories of Cabin in the Woods. Um, okay. That was a time in my life where I think I had taken a step away from horror in the years before 2012. I think it came hit theaters maybe early 2013. And like in that period, I had just not been paying as much attention to movies. So I feel like that was the first horror movie. I had seen, not seen like at all, but first Good one I had seen in years. that level of parody, that was still really silly. But,. Was smart about how it incorporated other horror movies and tropes and monsters and shit into it. I found really smart and I was like, oh yeah, this is different. Even though this is made by men, it feels like the bro horror period is over because this is a really big film right now and it's nothing like hostile, you know? I will always and forever sing the praises of Cabin in the Woods. It's probably not, probably, it isn't my top five mm-hmm. Favorite horror movies.'cause I do feel like it's such a love letter to the genre. It's like it is, uh, irreverent, uh mm-hmm. In the most reverent way. so I, I think it's great. And I know for me, I connected with a lot of different elements of horror when I watched this movie, but this was the first time I ever really connected with and dare I say, very much liked a stoner character. Yeah. I can see that too. Mm-hmm. Yeah.'cause Marty I think is a wonderful example of the evolution of stoners and how they're depicted in horror. Yeah. He is not Abu a bubbling idiot. What do you call that? A bumbling idiot. I'm bumbling idiot. Wow. A bubbling idiot. He's bubbling like a cauldron. He, I mean, that's what my brain feels like right now. no, and it's funny'cause he is, not that, but we are so brilliantly led to believe that, and then it just kind of, those layers start to get peeled off and I love it. You go into that movie seeing Chris Hemsworth at the peak of his, well not, I don't wanna say peak of his fame, It's when he like, had just really gotten on the map. He was the hot Aussie guy. That guy usually, even if he wouldn't survive, would. not die in that way. He would make it to the end and maybe sacrifice himself for the final girl. Exactly. Or he would like make it and, and in 2000 tens movie, maybe she would save him at the end. Mm-hmm. And he would invert it in that way. But in this, no, he just motorcycles. And then you're like, oh, wow, this is totally changing my expectation of this character and then therefore the other characters. and even with our Final girl character, the cheekiness of the archetype that she's representing being the Virgin. Mm-hmm. And we learn at the beginning of the movie that she's having an affair with her college professor. And I just love the subversion of of, of that trope in there too. I think it's so fucking cheeky. So cheeky. Well, perception is reality. So like if you're still, presenting that you're a virgin and you have that virginal energy, then maybe that's enough. we do what we can with what we have. Mm-hmm. but I love that that Marty specifically is the first one to know what's going on and ends up being, in my opinion, the true final girl of this movie. Yes. As final, as final Girls can get in this movie. Right? Yeah. Just the idea that the stoner's intuition is sometimes tapped into, yes, you smoke weed often to release stress and you know, that's usually the goal. Yeah. But there are side effects that happen that, people who don't smoke weed don't understand, and they're so happy to just believe that we could never go there So, Seeing it tap into it in almost a positive way to like, uh, you know, uh, it, it enlightens you. It, it triggers something that isn't necess is, that's considered a positive, uh, quality by the rest of society. And not that like we need that validation. But yeah, in 2012, it was actually really nice to see it. It was refreshing. Absolutely. cause in my experience, oftentimes what happens to me, I find that it lifts the veil on stuff and I actually see things for what they are versus what my autopilot Yes. Self believed it to be. And I think that's also another thing too, Marty, the, the veil is lifted. he's like, yeah, what the fuck is going on? and I think that's another side effect that a lot of people don't realize. I confront so many. and this is probably gonna sound more threatening than I mean it to be. But there's so much that I confront when I'm high mm-hmm. That I otherwise would not see if I wasn't high. And that allows me to be 100% honest with myself I would, uh, I wouldn't say I would bet my life, but I would wager a lot of money that at least one of those directors or writers from that film was a stoner. And actually understood the, the positivity that weed can bring to some people because mm-hmm. It was usually never portrayed positively. It was usually ambivalent. A lot of the times it was ambivalent or like you're a deadbeat. Yeah. Your life is just gonna go by and you're not gonna do anything with it. That's what they always say. It's funny'cause as soon as you said that, at least one person on, that crew had to have been the stoner my mind immediately went to. They all have to be, but I realized, I'm looking at it through today's standards.'cause I feel like a lot more people, especially in the creative industry, shamelessly and dare I say enthusiastically, consume, but especially queer people. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's also just to, I guess, tie it all together. Mm-hmm. The subversive nature of cannabis, uh mm-hmm. I think is also very relatable to. the queer experience and the subversion of that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's just like, these are two things that we are told are sins that we're told are bad. They're gonna lead to terrible decisions, dah, dah, dah, dah. Mm-hmm. so being able to free yourself of both of those. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Not shy away from the negative things that other people would say about you if you don't really find them to be negative or about the things that you do. Mm-hmm. Like if you enjoy weed and you feel like you could smoke it responsibly and the way that it affects your nerves in being, benefits you in life, then who gives a shit what other people say about it? Exactly. Exactly. You're not hurting nobody. No. And those people probably have never tried it. And if they have, you know, some people do smoke and it makes them more paranoid or they can't be productive or it freaks them out, or they have like a histamine reaction. There's plenty of valid reasons to not like it, but, just thinking that it's gonna lead towards heroin in two years automatically, or some other hedonistic thing that a Christian would think is wrong. You're, you're just buying into that old hype and you're just feeding the propaganda machine because now, oh God, feeding the propaganda machine. Now I really sound like a conspiracy theorist. No, I love it. That's what I'm here for. I'm the ancient aliens guy. Now I need a, I need a good, I need a good wig. I need the wig. We'll get you one, No, but that makes sense. It's all, yeah. It's, it's all, it's a form of control at the end of the day. Mm-hmm. and the more you say that weed is like, you know, what, uh, sacrilegious or terrible or gateway drug, whatever, all the negative things that you would, associated with queer people nowadays are getting more confident in who they are. Mm-hmm. And they're gonna see those things as like, you are telling me that because you don't want me to experience something that you can't control because you don't really know what it's like or mm-hmm. You are afraid of it. And if I do it and you don't understand it, it might open my brain to something you can't comprehend. Mm-hmm. And that's why I love how queer people are embracing it so much because heteronormative culture is still like, mm, we like, yes, there's a good budding stoner culture among heterosexual too. Ah, but in percentages of people, queer people, I would say on average are more likely to be a stoner. There's just way more of them. I'm just now realizing I don't think I hang out with enough straight people to have realized that.'cause in my mind, everybody, everybody's cool with it. Mm-hmm. And then I'm realizing, I'm like, oh, you know what? Like, I actually don't know. I don't hang out with that many. straight people. So I have no idea what their relationship is with it, but I just felt like in general, the world is, is moving that way. But I think's or something, but like it's, it's more so in the queer community. Yeah. But I think especially in the US right now, because of Trump, it's one of those things that they don't like,, conservatives don't want marijuana legalization to happen. Yeah. And they, they feel like it threatens too many industries that they hold dear. And also it's something they would have to regulate because they don't like it. And they don't like regulations. I'm not saying all regulations are good, but they only wanna regulate what they want to regulate and they only want to put in effort when they wanna put in effort. And so they're just gonna ban it so they don't have to work hard And it's easier. And this, I might sound like a bitch when I say this. It's easier to rally support around that when you're trying to spin this enemy as being a moral. Exactly like a morally corrupt thing, because you're gonna have more people willing to buy into that perception because of their own attachment to morality. Mm-hmm. And anything new is going to be, uh, a threat to the moral fabric of society, and we cannot allow it. So by all means, ban that shit. Don't do it. It's so funny that they say that they don't wanna regulate things like they don't wanna regulate guns, but they'll regulate the shit outta queer people's existence. My God. Mm-hmm. Out of women's bodies, out queer mm-hmm. Existence, strands, bodies, all kinds of shit. Yeah. That's, that's all just Making things public enemies. But, yeah. To your point, what was your, what was I gonna say about your point? I don't even know what my point was. I feel like I said like the tangent to the point. Yeah. But the original point got lost in the sternness, I'm right there with you. Mm-hmm. it just comes down to like, if you like smoking weed, smoke weed. not everything is as morally corrupt as they say it is. They only say it's morally corrupt because they want control. No, exactly. And with that, keep carping on it. You should question why. Exactly. That's, you know, that's exactly it. Start questioning why. cause that's what I do. Woo. I think, I think it's time.'cause I'm starting to get up there. Woo-hoo. Me too. I think it's time that we, bring this home and do something. I'm so excited to hear from you. so listeners, Chris and I, had decided on five horror movie characters with possible honorable mentions, that we think would be the best to smoke with. should we just do like one at a time? Sure. You do one? I do one. Yeah. Think we might have like ones that overlap and then I can just sub in an honorable mention if you have, there we go. Yeah, because I do, I honestly, I would be surprised if we don't have. At least one overlap. I think we're gonna have at least one, So the first person that I have on my nightmare blunt rotation should come at no surprise to anybody who's already listened to my franchise episodes talking about Chucky. my number one is Don Mancini. I would love to just be in the same room as him. I am very much in love with Don Mancini. so that's a huge reason why, but also I just love his fucking mind. I think he's brilliant. I think he's so intelligent and I would love to just get high and just ramble, converse with him. Just chill. Mm-hmm. Talk, hang out, fantasize about random stuff. I mean, he's easy on the eyes too. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Maybe get a little kiss consensually. Of course. And he is queer too, so that just always adds another level of relatability, considering there's not a ton of prominent queer horror creators that have gotten that level of success. Oh, no. Not at all. Obviously I look up to him as a, as a queer horror enthusiast and creator. so yeah, I just love him very much. Don Mancini, if you ever see this, if you smoke, let's hang out. can't believe it's not even a Chucky episode. And I'm working in my obsession with Don Mancini. This is crazy. I mean, it's fitting for who's gonna be in my rotation as well. Um, I'm gonna start with Annie Bracket from Halloween. I related to that character even as a kid. Her mouth, just her quick wit her ability to just read someone, there was just something about her, like she's, she's sassy. She likes to smoke weed, but she's also supportive of Lori and also pushes Lori out of her comfort zone. Yeah. And also just like, as far as a smoking thing, I just feel like we would just smoke and make fun of people together in a great way. Yeah. And she wouldn't take it too seriously, but like, she's not just a total Goofball. There's a, there's a, a, an intelligence and a reverence to her that I really appreciate. Damn. I didn't even consider her. That's great. I love her. I, I went with all characters instead of Oh people. But I would also smoke with Nancy Loomis who played her. Why not Nancy, let's go. Why not double up Buttercup? I have two real people in mind, and then the rest are characters, so. Okay. all right. My next one. This is so obvious. it's not even, I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that I would like talking with him, which I might, you know, having mm-hmm. been a working person myself, but I really just want him around because I know I'm gonna get hungry. So I picked, chef Sleek from the menu. Okay. Yeah.'cause listen, he can make, he can make something wonderful out of anything. And I think, honestly, I do think that I would get along with him because he likes people who are grounded in reality and don't have their heads shoved so far up their own asses. Have you seen the menu? Yes, I have. Okay. And it, Ray finds, right? Yes. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. And he's also easy on the eyes. He is, I hate to say it this way because this might be offensive, but he's one of those people that I just find ugly hot. Like, I don't, I don't wanna say, I know what you mean that he's ugly, but I could easily see how someone else could be turned off by you. But there's something about that specific quality on you specifically that I'm like, I don't know. It works. Mm-hmm. So I get that from Ray Fines, I get it though. I think what it is is there's some people that have certain, animal-like characteristics that are traditionally not attractive, that can also be attractive.'cause there's still an animal element to it. I think Ray finds what's on them. Yeah. There's kind of like a rat like quality. That also sounds kind of mean. There is, but I know, but I think most people can relate to that. I have definitely seen other people say there's something about him, but like mm-hmm. The way that they're talking about it, I can tell though, what they're really saying is, yeah, normally I feel like someone with these features, I'd be like, mm-hmm. Okay, my second one is, CE Cooper as portrayed by Sarah Michelle Geller in screen two. Oh, omega Beda.

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Oh my God. Yeah. I, okay. I was obsessed. You're so good at this with Sarah Michelle Geller in obviously 1997 is her banner year. She had Oh, yeah. Buffy Premiere that year. I know we did last summer. And scream too. I mean, literally, is there a more iconic year for anyone? Meryl Streep move over? she is like my, like envy root. There's something about her body language that I liked to mimic as a young, like queer. in all of those things, like in Buffy, she was a little more, uh, gruff and hard, but she was still feminine. And not that you need to be any of those things, but at the time, that was revolutionary. She was a prickly woman and she was not like, I don't know, the girl next door. And in the nineties it was like, yeah, a cynical time. But the lead was always like a Clarissa type, Cece in particular though so good, is just sassy. And she had good film taste When they said in whatever, in their little film class, one of the guys is the Godfather part two when he's pointing to a better sequel and she's like, Uhhuh. Yeah. Well there's no accounting for taste, no accounting for taste. And I agree with her because I absolutely prefer the first Godfather, And also that amazing outfit that she was wearing. There's something about that character, like the film knowledge and what she looked like and the SAS altogether. And it's Sarah Michelle Geller in 1997. Like yeah, I definitely wanna get high with her and talk film and talk shit. Oh you are so good at this. It's pissing me off in a good way. Thank you. My last one's gonna be funny. I got a funny choice in here too. Oh goodness. We'll see, I'm gonna laugh if, if you're last one and my last one of the same. My next one, I'm gonna hop back to a real person. I selected Rachel. True. She's the actress that Yes. She's from the Craft. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I love Rachel. True. I see her like, she's in all kinds of horror documentaries and stuff, and I just love, just the way she talks about stuff I think is so funny. She reads tarot. She has her own tarot deck. Oh, good for her. Yeah. I've, she's been a judge on Dula and she just has such good energy. Exactly. She just has, that's exactly it. She's the kind of energy that I would just love to be around while I smoke.'cause it'd be, I'd feel very held. I'd feel very like mm-hmm. Safe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, but also entertained and I just, I think she's fun. Okay. So my third one would be Ellen Ripley okay. It's because of the like queer non-binary coding. Like, I feel like I, I could pull it out of her like, come on, Ellen, come out, like, talk to me. But also she seems like introspective and I feel like she'd be the one blow my mind. she would just come up with a new concept in astronomy while high and I would be like, oh my God. Mm-hmm. And I just feel like, on that genderless level too, we could have good conversation. She just seems so fluid and like, like a feminist character of the time, but also I feel like gender didn't matter to her. No, I would agree. Or them. Or them. To them or them. Yeah. I agree with you 100%. I can totally see Ripley being that person that's just gonna drop out of nowhere, a truth bomb. And you'll be like, oh shit. Yeah, she'll be quiet for like an hour and then just uhhuh the most poetic shit ever. And you be, oh, All right. My fourth one, this one I put her on literally last minute. Next person I have, I think is just a practical person to have there. And that's Megan. I mean, it's kind of like smoking with a video game. It would just be very entertaining again. But also, from a safety perspective, she can keep an eye on all of my vitals to make sure I'm doing good. That's true. You know, and she could definitely entertain you with some of that dancing. Absolutely. We can make some tiktoks. I'd get famous, so, oh my God, yes. I think Megan would be a wonderful, person to smoke with. And it would be so also fun to just like dress her up. Oh my God, absolutely. Because her outfit was pretty fabulous, but I feel like we could step out of that, like baby doll thing and, you know, into something else. I think they're doing that with the next one, this next trailer. I only saw part of it, but it looks like something completely different. Okay, so my fourth one is Sue Ann from ma. Just because one, I wanna laugh at the Isha hair under my breast, the On a deep level, I feel like, I can relate to Sue Ann's trauma and we could have like a healing moment. I try to round out the type of people in the group. We had the sassy one, the fashiony one, the, the profound one, and she's the one that you just, you know, we sue Ann needs the we to heal. Mm-hmm. And then also we could dance to Debbie, Deb all night long and I'd be so fucking happy. and her reads are funny too. Like, I would just, honestly, I would, if for some reason my plan didn't work out and I could not get into Sue Ann's mind and help her out, then I'll just torture teenagers with her, you know? And we'll have a good time regardless. Not you going into this smoke session. Like, I can fix her. That's so fucking funny. Oh, Sue Ann. I thought that you were, when you said Sue Ann, my heart jumped because my last person, this is such a hail Mary. Mm-hmm. but hear me out. my fifth I ideal person to smoke with is Stro a Liz Sue. Okay. Because A, I just think she's neat. I fucking love monsters. Liz. She just as a thing that exists in this planet. Me too. But I feel like she's exactly the kind of person, that will let me feel comfortable being myself. I could be genuinely authentic. Mm-hmm. Because she is, and it just gives me that permission to just like she was living for herself at the end. I fucking love her whole part where she's getting primped up and shoving the earrings in her own skin. Getting those 14 strands a little more curled, a little bit more curled. I love that sequence so much. And that's what kind of made me wanna add her into my smoke session because I just think it would just be very wholesome and very it authentic. And she has two faces. That's true. Oh my God. We could do a double shotgun too. That would be sick. that's a great choice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. my last choice is mm-hmm. Who I lovingly referred to and Nickey as well as th russy from hell raiser AKA, the female eNote and that female Sena byte is, which she's officially called. And because I just need to see that. I just need to see it happen that, how would it go exactly like to the neck, the, because if she hid it from here, would it just come out here? Does she have control to like just let it pass and not actually come out these lips? Like can she do a double? and again, I mean more fun opportunities for shotgunning not to get gross or anything, but shit. No, for sure. Although I don't think it would do anything for her though. cause it would just go no right on out. No, that would suck. Maybe she, at that point, she's just a human type. She just pinches these lips then she could just, you know, she's just gotta hold them. That's true. But I'm thinking yeah, if the thy isn't blown out, then it might have the integrity to not allow liquid through. Yeah, I don't know. She's been doing this for eons. That's true. It might, might be the thy seen some action. Yeah, it probably has. Excellent. Oh my God, that's so fucking funny. I have to throw her. She was the first one I thought of because I was just, oh, I need to see it. That was it. I just, I need to see it. I just need to understand the mechanics of how it would work. Yes. Fuck yeah. All right. So that was fucking great. Oh, actually, I'm gonna ask you, do you have some honorable mentions? Oh, yes I do. Okay. Mm-hmm. So, uh, I didn't put these'cause I feel like it's a little obvious for me, but I'm gonna do it anyway. And you mentioned Don Manzini. Mm-hmm. Both Chucky and Tiffany. Mm-hmm. Or even as a human being, specifically Jennifer Tilly for Tilly. Yep. Yeah, I mean, there's just something about Jennifer Tilly. Like, I saw her the first time I actually saw her was in Liar, liar. And I was like, who is this woman? And when I looked her up, she was like 15 years older than I thought she was. And I was like, my God. Mm-hmm. Her jeans are fantastic. Her titties in that yellow suit, I think it was yellow. And then I saw her inbound and I was like, oh. And she's clearly down with the gaze because she is fine playing one of us very well. Mm-hmm. And then I saw her in Brian of Chucky and I was like, goddess. I just, I just love her. Mm-hmm. And obviously Tiffany and Chucky are just foul mouth little fucks, and I would love to get high with them. I would take the risk. I mean, hopefully you can get some of Tiffany's Swedish meatballs, you know? Oh, yes. Jennifer Tilley slash Tiffany is also on my Honorable mentions list. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. I'm with you there. on mine, I pretty much, I, for, I almost selected one ULA girly. Mm-hmm. But then I realized that I couldn't pick just one, I love so many of them. Yeah. Which one? I wrote down, uh, just Dula Babes, bitch Puddin, Coco Cocaine, Fantasia Al Gaga. Oh yes. Valletta and Asia Consent. Yeah. That's my drag little rotation right there. God, I love Asia. I was so glad she won. Me too. I also love, I love Bitch Pudding too. I'm excited for this season. I'm just glad that it's still going. I was, I watched the first, I, I started watching it shortly after the first season aired. My one friend who's a drag queen in Chicago was like, you like horror. You should watch this. So I was like there for season two when it started. So seeing it evolve. So it evolved so quickly. So, um, you know, so fat, my god, I am high. So much, so quickly. There we go. I'm just happy to see it's still going and the boule are making enough money that they can give the prizes away themself so they don't have to get corporate bullshit sponsors that taint it too much. So yeah, that's what I appreciate there. Same, I didn't get into it until season. Season four was the first one that I, well, the resurrection, oh. Thing was, oh my God, season four was the season of the drama. I, it's my favorite season, I'm not gonna lie. Season four is like mm-hmm. It's very up there for me. It's also, again, there's that, that nostalgia of like, this is the first one that I watched mm-hmm. Live in real time. So I do like that one a lot too. that was fucking great. To recap, my dream blunt rotation, I have Don Mancini, creator of the Chucky Series, Rachel True. The actress from the craft. Chef Julian. Sleek from the menu. Megan from Megan and Stro ESU from the Substance. And I have Annie bracket from Halloween, CE Cooper from Scream two. Ellen Ripley from Alien SueAnn from Ma and Threesy from Hellraiser, AKA, the female Senta Byte, the female one. That's a, that's a group of bad bitches right there. God, I wish I could make it happen, but they're not real. We'll figure it out. I can try to make at least two of mine happen. All the actress are still alive though. That's true. Oh, all right. I think that's it. Was there anything else that you wanted to say? I don't know. Everybody smoke some weed if you haven't. And see, decide if you like it before you make a judgment on it. you go. Yeah. You don't have to smoke it, but if you don't. Don't judge the people that do, because let me tell you, the amount of people that are acting way more peaceful than they would otherwise because of cannabis, Is immense and mm-hmm. It saves lives, let me tell you. Mm-hmm. let those people have it because, my God, they're taking away so much shit from us right now, and it might be next, but it's still here, so at least in the US so let's have fun with it while we got it. Exactly. And like yeah, to your point, you don't have to enjoy weed to be pro weed, you know? Exactly. Yeah. At, at the, at the end of the day, so many problems would be solved if it was just like, just do what you like and let other people do what they like. Yeah. And mind just, that's it. That's it. Exactly. As long as they're not getting like blasted high and then like operating a bulldozer, let'em be, you know? Exactly. Exactly. Let me just like watch horror movies in peace. Shit. excellent parting message. Excellent, excellent. So, before we wrap up, Chris, where can our listeners find you? You could find us on Instagram. My god, that took a second to remember what that was called, um, at Queer Horror. Hi. Oh, there, it's, and you can find my personal account at, at zombie threesome on Instagram as well. There we go. Damn Right. So I also have a new Instagram account, but there's nothing on it yet, so we don't have, we don't have to stay tuned duties. Mm-hmm. Excellent. Well, again, follow Queer Horror High. I cannot say it enough. I fucking love these two. I would love, I'm hoping to have you and Nickey both one day, if it ever works out. I hope so too. I let her know. Okay, great.'cause you two are a lot of fun. So dear sweet listeners, give them a follow. Trust me, it's worth it. and then of course you can find me crybaby at crying in public. That's crying without the g underscore in, underscore public. And don't forget to follow horror icon that's horror spelled with an H. Oh, well of course it's spelled with an H. It's horror. Horror spelled with a WH Jesus Christ. If you're here, you already know how to spell it. Weed. So weed. Yes. So again, Chris, thank you so much for spending some time with me and taking, the afternoon to just get high and talk about horror with me. I had so much fun and I'm so glad that you joined me. I did too. I can't believe we've been on here so long. It just flew by. I know. It was a great time. It was a wonderful time. So thank you so much, Chris and to you Cuties. We'll see you soon. Until then, don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Bye bye.