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Curse of Chucky
Is it gothic in here, or is it just me?
This week, CryBaby and Donnie tackle the sharp left turn that is Curse of Chucky—and babes, the vibes have shifted. Where are we? Who ARE these people? And what happened to Chucky’s face?! We’re answering all these questions, talking some shit, and revealing how our listeners really feel about Chucky’s new look. It’s a moody, broody, and fruity time baby. Let’s get into it..
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I don't like it. I, I, I, I don't, don't, I, I more than don't like it. I hate it. I, I, no, I pretend that this doesn't exist. So we can move on. We can totally move
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh yeah, from that part, that didn't even happen.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I have no idea what you're talking about.
What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody, but.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Hey Cuties, and welcome back to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. I'm crybaby the spooky slut from your wettest nightmare. And we're joined today again by
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Donny Santo, the kind of trans man you'd like to take home to meet your parents.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Hi, Donny.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Hello.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:how, how are you doing in all of this heat?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I'm absolutely miserable. Miserable. It's apparently 102 degrees in New York City right now.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Which, it's, it's funny'cause I'm being a desert baby. I'm used to a hundred degrees, but it's like a swampy
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:That's the thing, it's the humidity, you know?'cause I lived in Arizona for a really long time. I'm accustomed to it being like 110, 112. But it's, the air is so thick. I feel like you could go outside and climb it like a ladder.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, exactly. like I love summertime because I grew up in the desert even if it is this hot, I'm okay with it if I don't have anything to do. That's the
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I don't. Exactly. If you don't have to leave the apartment totally fine.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, or if I don't have to be in a wig and makeup and a fucking dress and all this shit. So
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:What a, what a day to do this.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:indeed. But it's okay. We're cooking, we're moving forward. I'm really excited to talk about this movie today too.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:good. Good. Because I, I'm excited to hear your thoughts on it.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes, it's, I have a lot of thoughts. I have a lot of thoughts, but, everybody to our listeners, welcome back. Welcome, welcome, welcome. And this is the obligatory like, subscribe. Give us a follow, shoot us an email, rate us, all that stuff. Please help a podcast out, help a Queer Baby podcast out please. But seriously. We're continuing our foray through the child's play franchise, and we're gonna be talking about cursive Chucky today.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Curse of Chucky, the sixth movie in the franchise. And, I don't wanna give anything away before you, you know, give your, give your recap.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes, we do have a crybaby synopsis coming on up. needless to say, everybody, spoiler warning, watch the movie, watch it, and then come back to us. crybaby synopsis for Curse of Chucky. Nine years after our last unhinged adventure with Chucky Tiffany and their gender fluid murder, baby Gigi, were suddenly dropped into a house full of people We don't recognize at all. Who are these people? Why are they so tense and what do you mean? Curse of Chucky and this mystery kicks off. When a very familiar, suspiciously sized packaged arrives on the doorstep of a beautiful gothic home, full of secrets and terrible family vibes, And as they mourn the mysterious death of their mother, our family and their hot priest find themselves in the midst of a moody, broody, and fruity murder spree. One by one, the bodies drop. As Nika, our heroine begins to uncover a dark family secret. And Chucky reveals why After 25 years, he's decided to go after this seemingly random ass family.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Well said, well said moody, broy, and fruity. I'm here for it.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Moody Broy and Fruity Baby. Yeah, we kind of dip our toes back into, a gothic tone, but significantly more grounded than bride of Chucky Gothic.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, it's totally different. Like you said, it's a vast tonal shift from the last two movies that we have, you know, been watching. So, when I watch this. Again,'cause I know I watched it when it came out in 2013, but when I watched it again for the purpose of this podcast, I was surprised.'cause I didn't really remember just how drastically it, you know, deviated from what we had just watched in, bride and Seed of Chucky. going into that gothic style family drama thing was, was, kind of an odd choice. What, what do you think?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I agree. I don't dislike it because I, I, I like just like playing with tone and perspective.'cause for this movie we leave the perspective of Chucky again and we go back to the perspective of his victims, which, interesting knowing what we know about Chucky now, and for the most part. I don't find myself, bored with the premise.'cause you know, like, was probably the same thing with like child's play two and three. At this point. We know Chucky's alive and so it's just kind of like waiting to get him back on our screen. Whereas with this one, of course we know that Chucky's alive, but I'm more so curious about why the fuck we're here. Since we weren't around Chucky's perspective, that's what kept me engaged is just being curious as to What does this family have to do with anything? So there's some good parts of that. There's some bad parts of that.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, you're right. for me, I, was immediately thrilled when I saw, the actress playing Nika, who is Fiona Dorf, which is just mindbogglingly cool, because she is obviously Brad Dora's daughter.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. Yes. I love her. I, I do have, I have one thought. Unfortunately, kind of a big one, but it's just, it's true. I cannot get it outta my mind. We're gonna, I'll touch on that when we, when we get into it, but. Let's go ahead. I'm gonna bitch the pot. I'm gonna throw out some, fun little, little factoids and you hit on one of'em. This is when the franchise kind of starts to feel like a, a family kind of thing because we have Fiona Dora this film, which is a wonderful edition. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful edition.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:she is, phenomenally talented and. You know, it's, it's one of those things where you're like, oh, oh, oh. I'm sure there are people who are going to say she only got the role because of nepotism, and I'm sure that played a part. But at the same time, she is the strongest part of this film.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:hands down, hands down, and I think I could be incorrect. I'm gonna fact check myself on this later, but I'm pretty sure Fiona was going to audition for. Barb, the older sister, they insisted that she went for Nika, which I think is pretty cool.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:That's fair.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:yeah, like, yeah, sure, nepotism. But this is one of those few situations where I'm okay with nepotism because this person does good work. You know, it's, it wasn't just handed to her, for just meritless connections. She actually really did some wonderful work with this character.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I agree with you. Yeah.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:some more fun facts. This film takes place nine years after Seed of Chucky, which is the largest gap that we have between movies in this franchise to date. did you know that Brad Dorf, speaking of just Excellence, Brad Dorf recorded all of his lines in less than a day.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Wow, that's, that is pretty amazing.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:That's wild. I mean that, I guess it makes sense because we don't really start to see Chucky talk until like 45 minutes into the movie.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:That is true. I mean, he's not doing, I don't wanna say he's not doing as much, but he is certainly not speaking as much as he has in the previous two movies. Just because we spent so much time with the family instead of him. But still to, to have nailed everything in one day or less than a day is pretty impressive.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, it's super impressive. And this whole film was shot in 30 days too,
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I did read that.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:It kind of makes sense'cause this film had such a small budget. Curse of Chuckie and Cult of Chuckie both only had a budget of$5 million, which I know it's silly saying like only but for a film this ambitious or a franchise, this ambitious, that's nothing. Especially considering the first film when the franchise had a$10 million budget and that was back in the eighties.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Right.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:like a spending value of like$20 million. So this movie was made essentially on a quarter of a, of the budget of the first movie. And I have to give them props to that because you can't really tell in some, there's some cases, but generally you can't really tell.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I would've had no idea that it was made on a budget of$5 million, which like, again, to say only$5 million. Like, I wish I had a budget of only$5 million. But at the same time, the movie. Is beautiful. It looks like it was, to me made on a big Hollywood blockbuster budget.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:It really does. And I just think that speaks volumes to, sweet Daddy Don Mancini's, creative chops and the commitment of everybody like He brings his people with him and I respect that so much. And I think that loyalty and that quality of relationship leads to such a wonderful quality of work So thank you Daddy Don.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Thank you Daddy Don, we love you.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:We love you. Uh, let's see. This is the longest film in the series as well,
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:What's the running time?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I, I realized I didn't write that down. Let
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I don't know.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I'm gonna do a quick Google search. Let me see yourself. Chucky runtime an hour and 37 minutes.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I, oh yeah, we're, we're getting close to two hours there.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I think, yeah, as long as we're around an hour and 30, I'm fine.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, anything more than that, unless it's Lord of the Rings, I, I'm gonna lose interest.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. And I, funny that you mentioned Lord of the Rings. I have, uh. have a parallel to make later about Lord of the Rings and this movie.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, I can't wait.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:yeah, it's, I mean, it's just really silly, stupid, petty stuff. But, My last fun fact, and I wonder if this still rings true, compared to the time it was written, but apparently Brad Dorf said that this was his favorite Chucky movie, which
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, didn't read. He really, huh? Yeah. I find that interesting too.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:this is, uh, this is just me, hypothesizing here. It has to be because it's the film that introduces his daughter, right?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah. He gets to work with his daughter. How cool is that?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Exactly. He gets to see his baby fucking kill it. yes. Well, let's go ahead Before we do our quick little plot breakdown, i'm going to talk about the characters real quick.'cause this is a small cast. It's a very, it's like a single location, small ensemble kind of movie, which I do like. So our characters, we already talked about Nika, who is played by Fiona Dorf. She's our main girl. She's paraplegic in a wheelchair, living in this badass house with her mom. You know what, this is where I'm gonna talk about my, one of my things with this movie.'cause there's two big things about this movie and one of them I fucking love Fiona Dorf. I think she is wonderful.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I think, I think we both feel the same way about what it is you're about to say.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, I just, I feel some type of way when we cast an able-bodied person in a role of somebody who uses a wheelchair or has some other, disability, right? That for me is like, it's taking away an opportunity from somebody who already doesn't have a lot of opportunities in the industry. So that's honestly just like my biggest thing. this movie as much as I love, love, love, love, love, Fiona Dora. I'm just like, why this character have to be the one in the wheelchair? Like, why couldn't we also have somebody in a wheelchair who is, an actor who is a real life wheelchair user, you know?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, it's. Like you said, taking an opportunity away from a person who doesn't have a lot of opportunities as it is, and I'm sure that there are, so many people who do use wheelchairs out there, who would've also slayed this role, who didn't get the opportunity to even audition for it because, you know, the opportunities don't, don't really come their way.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Exactly, and that there's, this is a big spoiler alert. Not in this movie, everybody, this is a spoiler alert for cult of Chucky. So just keep that in mind. I've heard some people the argument is like, well, we need somebody able bodied because, eventually. She does stand up, she gets outta the wheelchair. And so I've heard arguments against casting somebody who's a wheelchair user for this role, but hello. There's people that are wheelchair users that are also still able to stand up. Like it's
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Absolutely.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:you know, I think that's, a narrow perspective that a lot of people have you have to, cast an able-bodied person if you want. This character in wheelchair to be able to stand up and it's like, no, you don't. There's plenty of people who can
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I am going to totally nerd out right now and talk about Wicked on Broadway. There is the character of Nessa Rose. If you've seen the movie, I mean, now you don't have to have seen the, the Broadway show to know what I'm talking about. The movie was such a phenomenal hit. You've probably seen it. She is a wheelchair user and. The show's been on Broadway for over 20 years, and they have always cast an able-bodied person to play this role because she does get up. She does stand and, and take a couple of steps in the, in the show, spoiler alert. And, they only recently, as in the past, I guess, few months ago, if I'm remembering correctly. On Broadway cast a woman who's an actual wheelchair user who does have the ability to stand and, and take a few steps. I mean, like you said, not everybody who uses a wheelchair is completely dependent upon it. Some folks are mobile and able to stand and do certain things, and, it was just, you know. 20 something years in the making. It took us that long to realize that, oh, you know what, maybe we should cast this role the way that it's actually written. So it's, I agree with you, you know, that, there, this could have been a better choice.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:yes. I'm glad we're on the same page.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:more of that type of casting people,
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Exactly.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:type of casting.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:2025, there's no excuse.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Exact, yes, there is absolutely no excuse. So, that is one of my two big gripes with this movie. We'll talk about the other one later, but, if I were to take my feelings about that casting choice and just tuck it away and compartmentalize it for a minute, Fiona Dorf is incredible in this role. She. She kills it. She's fantastic. So that's our Nika Pierce. She's a wheelchair user in this Gothic fan, uh, gothic mansion. We also have her mom, Sarah Pierce. have her sister Barbie, Barb, she's, Nikas, bitchy, moody sister. I kind like her.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Of course you do
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I, I hate her, but I like her. And then Ian is Barb's husband and then they have their little dollar, dollar.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:dollar.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Alice? Yeah. Their dollar.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes,
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:daughter, their daughter Alice, who is cute, but she, to me is like the annoying, kind of cute, you know what I'm saying? Do you know that brand of, of kid?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I, yes, I believe I do.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah. Spoiler alert, I, I'm not an Alice fan. I know that's bitchy of me. I, I'm not an Alice fan at all. She doesn't wash her hands. Uh, Jill, uh, we also have Jill, the, the hot young nanny, father Martinez, the priest from the family church, then, uh, officer Stanton who's Barely in it, but he's there. He's a character that we do need to, to know about. And then of course we have Chucky, our favorite little guy,
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Her favorite little guy.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:bastard. So those are all of our characters. Very small cast, a very small ensemble, which I like. I, I know for me, I am, I have so many questions at the beginning of this film, why are we here? Who are these people? What's going on? Why is Chucky there? Why did he kill the mother? Like, there's so much we are immediately assaulted with question wise in this plot.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah. I it. Who are these people? What? That's the biggest, the biggest question for me. Who are these people?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Who are you people?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Why are you here? Why is he there? What's going on?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I will note that in this opening scene we get a lot of, and this is a kind of a theme throughout the movie, but Infantalizing of Nika her mother and later on, her sister Barb, that whole conversation when the delivery guy was flirting with Nika and the mom was just like, oh, he's just being nice.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, it starts very quickly, oh, you, you can't take care of yourself. And, even to the point where she doesn't. The delivery guy who didn't mention the hot delivery guy, who, you know, is there for 30 seconds and is flirting with Nika, he's legitimately making a move. And, for her mother to just, say, oh, he was just being nice with the unspoken part being because you're in a wheelchair. It's just like you said in Infantalizing, it's just so icky.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:It's, it's super icky. And I feel very bad for Nika, and it's not because she's in a chair, it's because she's surrounded by people who are not supportive. and we see that'cause Chucky shows up at this house and later on that night, he kills Sarah, the mother. And first off, badass title sequence. How do you feel about this title sequence?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:It is very, very cool. The title sequence that's, that spins around. Yeah, it's very cool.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:it, it plays with space. We see how Dawn's directing style has evolved since seed of Chucky, which it's so much more mature, so much more finessed, more playful, I think. But then, yeah, back to the infantilizing. The second the family comes in through the door, and I think it's the next day, the family and the priest all come in and immediately just feel bad vibes from Barb and honestly, from the pre, from pretty much everybody.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Right from everyone who walks in the door, you're immediately like, oh, this isn't gonna go well for Nika.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, exactly, Barb is this rich bitch who wants to sell the house all, all already. She, she wants to put Nika in some sort of assisted living home because she can't take care of herself. then she wants to sell the house so she can send her daughter to private school, and the father is on board with this. The fucking priest is just like, have her heart set on that private school, and it's just disgusting behavior. I.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Uh, what did she say something about if they don't, you know, they need to sell the house because otherwise she's gonna have to go to public school and she says it's so, you know, it's just, uh, what a entitled nasty bitch.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Absolutely. And she's very hypocritical too. Like, and I
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Well,
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:wait to get into that.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:for sure.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:yeah. Alice finds Chucky, and then Chucky wants to know what's for dinner. So Nika goes to cook dinner and more of Barb just being like, well, you can't do that. You can't cook dinner. Da da, dah da. And Nika shows her What's up? She makes some bombass chili with oregano. It's the
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say when, when they put the meals down in front of everybody on the table, I thought it was pasta just by the way that it looked. And, also oregano. So a, apparently it's actually chilly. I don't know that I would like it.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I mean, I'm not a chili fan personally either, but, everybody else likes it. Everybody loves this chili. But the, the thing with the chili,'cause Chucky is helping them quote unquote cook dinner and we see just this little hand pour rat poison in one of the balls on top of the cheese. So you can't really tell. and that's I think why it looked like pasta.'cause you have those mounds of cheese in the
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. It looked like pasta to me. Mm-hmm. Maybe I'm just so Italian that everything looks like pasta.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Listen, if everything looked like pasta, that's not a bad world to live in. I'd be
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I'd be, I'd be happy.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:it does look like pasta. I do like speaking of that scene where they put the, dishes down in front of everybody. It is shot as if it's a game of Russian roulette.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Right? We don't know who got the. And, and we just see the hands setting the dishes down, and we don't know which one has the rat poison in it.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah.'cause there's only one Chucky ran out of time. He couldn't poison everybody. but I think, like we all know, just because of how movies work, like we know who's gonna get the chili. We know who's gonna get the rat poison.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Did you really I, I wasn't sure. I was hoping it was Barb, but obviously because of how movies work, that they couldn't kill her off too early.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:No, we have to, we have to save that conflict for later.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Exactly.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:the, like, who's the most expendable character out of everybody? The fucking priest.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Good point. Mm-hmm. Father Martinez.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:we all know it's gonna go to him. but the way this, this scene is. Shot. It's, it is kind of playful'cause everybody is reacting so strongly to the chili. Ian's like, oh my God, this is so good and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And just constant fake outs of oh, this person must have gotten it. This person must have gotten it for me. That goes on a little bit too long. Do you, do you feel that way?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Um, it, it does. I mean, you know, I think he's trying to obviously build tension, but you're right, it's a little bit because Alice starts saying that she doesn't like the chili or tastes funny. That's what she says is taste funny. So now we're worried that the little girl has the poison chili. But again, not gonna kill the little kid. Not first thing you know.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Not yet. Nope. I do love though, when everybody is ranting and raving about the chili, how Barb is just like. Nika, can you pass the salt please? So passive aggressive.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:It is passive aggressive. Yep.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, I fucking love it. And that for me, that's a little moment where we realize oh, Barb is probably key jealous of Nika. Or she has some sort of
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, there's.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:feelings.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:There's definitely unresolved issues going on there. Barb needs a really good therapist.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:She really does need a good therapist. She needs a really good therapist. She has a lot of, a lot of projection and a lot of repression going on in this
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Uh,
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:but yeah, like we said, the person that we know that's gonna get that rat poison is, I hate saying he's hot'cause he is kind of hot, but I also don't like priests. But yeah, the hot priest gets the rat poison.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:The hot priest gets the rat poison. There you go.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I was very curious. About just the sudden appearance of a priest in the the Chucky franchise and later on in this series how they really explore a Catholic setting. I just had to Google and find out if Don Mancini grew up religious and as a matter of fact, he was raised Catholic, so that makes a lot of sense. I feel like this is when he starts to kind of work through some of that shit because the way he kills this priest is. It's gnarly.'cause it's not just poison everybody. It's not just like he drops dead from poison. It's pretty rough.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:It's great. we see the priest eating the, the chili and he starts to not feel well. You know, he is pulling out his little priest collar and sweating and, excuses himself kind of abruptly. it's, it's awkward the way that he leaves, you know, he, tells everyone, he, I think he'll see them tomorrow at the funeral or something like that, and gets in his car and is, you know, and leaves and then, We, what is the officer's name? Officer Stanford
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Uh, Stanton.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Stanton. We know that there's been a car accident and, officer Stanton pops out of his car and lo and behold, the priest has wrecked his car because he's dying of rat poison he's trapped within the car. And the firefighters that are there don't want to. Remove him from the car because of the circumstances that he's in. And the, the officer demands that they free him from the trapped vehicle. And, when they, they do that, his neck has been pinned down. And as soon as they remove the piece that's holding him basically together, his head slices off and falls down and rolls onto the floor. It's, uh, it's very cool.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I'm so glad that they went that route.'cause like, poisoning is fine. I think it was very playful in this setting with the dinner scene and everything, but just the satisfaction of seeing the aftermath seeing the car accident on the way home, it's so gory and, and, uh, it doesn't just kill the priest. There's two other people that were involved in the car accident that died, like you see their bodies on the side of the street.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Right. It's, it's, not just, this offscreen death, he died of being poisoned or, fell down on the floor and choked and died. We get a, a very gory, super cool first death in the, well, second death because Sarah, the mother died. But we actually get to really see this, you know, it's just like almost overkill. Like we poison the man and now we've beheaded him, but it's overkill in a really delicious way.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah. You know, it's a little bit of a bait and switch, right? I think a lot about like final destination does this a lot where you think that it's gonna go one way and then it goes another way. So it was just a fun little surprise, and also, I guess it was a plot device because that police officer is gonna come back later, so we needed to get to know him in like this first act or whatever.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes, uh, it definitely is a moment to introduce that character.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. And while the priest is dying, everybody is back home watching some family movies. I guess it's something that people normally do when someone dies. They watch home videos and recap and everything. But, we find out Bubu Charles Lee Ray is in one of these videos.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:There he is standing there with his long hair looking all creepy and out of place in this video.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. Uh, very ratty wig. And that's coming from me. I'm like the queen of shitty wigs.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:He's, he's got a, he's got a shake and go wig. He's got his party city wig. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:He, his party's shitty wig. Exactly. Yeah, he's just lurking there in the background. So. This is where we start to realize oh, okay, Chucky must have a connection to this family and they start leaving that trail of breadcrumbs for us. And then, oh, this time we have,'cause there's the hot young nanny Jill, right?
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh right. We almost forgot about Jill.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:looks like a, kind of like a, a, a combination of Amanda Seyfried and Leo Tipton. I feel
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I don't,
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:people in this movie look like combinations of people.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I don't know who Leo Tipton is off the top of my head.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:They, they were on America's Next Top model and they left and they had this cute little acting career afterwards in like the early teens. So they were in crazy stupid, love They were in warm bodies, very, very cute person.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I am pulling up pictures right now.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. LIO
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, look at that. Okay, you're right.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes. Much like how the Father Ian looks like a combination of Paul Rudd and Henry Caval.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, I can see that.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:So these are all just like dollar store babes. That's a terribly disrespectful statement, but Anyway, we are being kind of directed to believe that there's gonna be some sort of infidelity between the hot young nanny and Ian. But we find out, as Jill is helping look for Chucky.'cause I guess Chucky went missing. It's not Ian that's having the affair with her. No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:a shock. it's Barb. Barb is having the affair with the nanny. Wow. Hot lesbian affair.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Hot, hypocritical lesbian affair
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:That's right.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:we, get so much of Barb playing with her little cross necklace and acting holier than thou.'cause she's like a rich church bitch. it's very hypocritical. But I love that little subversion, you know, that little bait and switch.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, absolutely. I mean, they, they kind of make it very obvious that Ian and the nanny are, are together or flirting or cheating or something like that. So when, Barb confronts Jill and all of us just, just starts making out with her, just eats her face. I was like, whoa, I actually didn't see that coming. Very cool.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, me either. I, I loved it. I, I love a lesbian love affair. Even with a bitch like Barb,
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:That's some of the best lesbian love affairs of my life. Were with bitches like Barb.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:you know what? TTTT. so after this, like Nick is going upstairs. She starts wanting to do, she's investigating where this doll came from with the package, but as she's going upstairs, the power goes out and she's stuck in the elevator. And Barb is mad bitchy about that too.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah,
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:like, oh, see, she always needs something. It's like
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:the power went out. Yeah, you bitch. Go help your sister.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Go help your fucking sister. And so when Barb goes to help her, we get a little bit more of that exposition dump of the thing with Mika's heart, I feel like be more consequential than it actually is.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:It does, it does come back once a little bit later, but, uh, uh, you know when, when Chucky has her in the garage. So it is at least mentioned, although we, we don't really know what this condition is.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah. It's just a condition, something with her heart. It's a plot device. It never comes back after that time in the garage, we get that little bit of an exposition dump. Oh, and then this is where more infantalizing happens. Because while when Nika was in the elevator, Chucky was on her lap and I guess he like sliced her knee
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Mm-hmm. Okay.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Barb's just like, see, you did that cooking dinner, you can't take care of yourself. Me, me, me, me, me.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, because Nika doesn't feel it. You know, and, and is all of a sudden like, oh, bleeding, I'm, there's blood. You know? And so yeah, Barb does the infantilizing thing again about how like you can't take care of yourself. Look what you did.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I feel like she's just trying to build a case against Nika so that way she can sell the house. Like that's
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:She can sell the house and put Nika away and just forget about her.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Exactly. when she puts Alice to bed, we get more Chucky perverting children. Not like
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yes.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:That's probably not the best phrasing.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Maybe fix that. Yeah.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, we get, uh, we get a little bit more of a conversation seeing how Chucky is like fucking with these kids.'cause Alice is just like, Chucky says, there is no God and all this morbid, bleak shit about death.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah. He says something like, we all die bleeding, like stuck pigs, or something like that.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:And it's all stormy and stuff. And so Alice goes onto the covers and I, I do love this moment'cause it's the first time we hear Chucky speak, but she's just like, Chucky, I'm scared. And he is like, you fucking better be.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:can we talk about this? Is it time to talk about Chucky's face?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:You know what? Yeah, let's do it.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Chucky has been not redesigned entirely, but his face looks different than we've seen it in all the previous movies, and, I don't like it.
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I, I, don't hate it. I,'cause it's not too far of a departure the original one. I think it's, it's modernized and it, it feels smaller. Right.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I don't know. His, his eyes seem much further away than they used to be. Almost too far. Which is funny because later he kills someone and says that their eyes are too close together. But, uh, yeah, his, his, I don't know, there's just too much space on the bridge of his nose that's just very, I'm being very nitpicky.'cause like you said, it's not a very far departure from what he's always looked like, but, it just, it looks so different that I had to Readjust my expectations of what Chucky looks like for the whole film, you know?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:Yeah, I, you know, I agree. And it's definitely, it's a polarizing thing. yeah. Actually, I don't know how I feel about it anymore.
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:Oh, no. What?
crybaby-_1_06-24-2025_142142:I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm falling into a crisis on this. I,
donnie_1_06-24-2025_142142:I think, I think people either, you know, were fine with it and hardly noticed it or really were upset about it. And I'm not, I don't fall to either of those,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Honestly, same. I like it when things get changed up. I love new tones, I love new exploration, all that stuff. It's fantastic. So I don't, I'll, I'll be honest, actually, I don't have a preference either way when it comes to Chucky. I.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:The only preference I would have is that I think of all of the Chucky designs. I think Frank and Chucky is the best
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:from bride and Seed, like that's the best version of Chucky. But don't have an attachment really to how he looks.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Something about, something about his face was unsettling to me. It was very uncanny valley, which like, he's a doll. It's, that's the point. So maybe, maybe it's a good thing.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I was gonna say, I feel like that is the point with
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I 100% feel like That's the point. And if it makes you feel unsettled, then job well
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:That's right. Good job done.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:speaking of Chucky and speaking of the lesbian affair, we're gonna tie this all together here. So, we have Jill, the hot young nanny is sleeping in the same room as Chucky and Alice and Barb. The bitchy wife is sitting next to her sleeping husband in bed, and she's trying to cyber with Jill.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes, she's got her laptop open and is quietly watching Jill take her clothes off. We're sit
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:G
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:the goal, I mean, as you do.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:she takes her ring off and again, she's playing with that fuck ass cross necklace. The hypocrite bitch. Sorry,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Tell us how you really feel.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:listen, I love her, but damn. If there's one thing that gets under my skin, it's hypocrisy That's kind of my thing especially, and I feel like I'm gonna say it, the institution of religion is one of the most hypocritical things on this planet. And Barb is just an extension of that,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:exactly. You hit the nail on that.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Or on the hands
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:or on the
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:or the foot.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:or. Or the face to fall out the
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:There we go,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Marty Marino.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Marty. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I will say like I don't know who any of these people are. I do, I'm a Gemini, I'm messy. I love all of the family drama, I also, I still very much Miss Mama Karen and Marty Marino and Kyle, our OGs,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:this family doesn't hold a candle to any of them.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh, very true. Very true.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:but yeah, so Barb and the hot nanny are trying to cyber sex all the while. Nika is on her little laptop downstairs doing her research, and she finds out that the doll was sent from an evidence depository While this happens, Chucky fucking kills the hot nanny.'cause it's raining, right? And the, the, the roof is leaking. And honestly, not to victim blame here, but she had It coming'cause the pot that was catching all of the water, how on earth it was, it was almost full.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It was almost full. You, you have to do something about that. I,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:you cannot go to sleep with a bucket that full in a leaky roof and not expect it to get
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:that's true. She had it coming.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Chucky kicks that fucking bucket over and Woo. Child electrocution.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, we get a very fun electrocuting dev.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Fun is definitely the right
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:it, because electrocutions is one of those things where I think in some movies it's a lazy plot device, you know, to make the power go out, or it's just an easy way to kill somebody. But this one, we see her smoking, we see her body twitching, her eye burning out of its socket, like it's very well done.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, it's cool. It's a cool death.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And then of course the power goes out. So
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Again, again, the power in this house is unreliable.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes. and there's like this little confrontation between Ian and Barb, where Barb is just like, I. see the way that you look at the nanny and Ian is just like, ditto. And I'm like, Ooh,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Gotcha.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:bitch. Gotcha.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:And this is, this is when we find out that Ian, you know, has suspicions about his wife and Jill. And so what did he do? He put a, a nanny cam into the doll into Chucky,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes. Which again, I just, I love that, but I'm also like, how? Stupid. Are you, you tell her that there's a nanny cam in the doll
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:right?
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:and then you just put in your earplugs and go back to sleep. Like you're not gonna, you're just like, yeah, it's fine. I'm gonna let you have that information and do with it what you will.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It's true.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:He's not afraid of her sabotaging it or any, I mean, I guess if it on the cloud, it doesn't matter. But still, he has a lot of, uh, a lot of faith in her not destroying anything, you
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:true. That's true. I mean, he does give away his. Secret, but you know, he gives it away so that we, the audience can be in on it, so not, not lazy storytelling, it has to be made very apparent for the people who are watching it.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And it also, it. gives Barb a reason to go interact with Chucky.'cause now she's, she's looking for him she finds him in the attic Oh, oh God, yeah. The fucking addict. Those sunflower paintings. I, I have a very strong reaction to those fucking sunflowers. it makes me think of the other thing that I don't like about this movie. So we're gonna get there soon,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Okay. Okay. Well, I'm,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:sure you probably don't like this either.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:I probably don't,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes. But yeah, Babs goes in the attic. There's fucking sunflower paintings everywhere. She finds Chucky and Chucky, stabs the fuck out of her. And this is where the, the eyes too close together thing that you
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:right.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:into play.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, it's a, you know, a Chucky one-liner, and I'm like, but your eyes are too far apart.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:They're always two close together. Stab. Oh, also, um, we have a, a face reveal from Chucky, Frank and
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh, right. Frank and Chucky,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:like, I guess he,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:there's.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:is confusing.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:There's like a little, he's got like a little makeup blemish on his face Barb notices it, so she kind of picks at it. And when she does, so she, you know, removes the top layer and, it's all the stitches that we've seen on Chucky's face before. So we get his, you know, his actual face. what were you gonna say about it? There's something.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Well, first off, I'm gonna say like, that's very much my face after a full day in
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Of course.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:that's peeling off the layers for the cracked. I find it very confusing, uh, yes. We're, we're watching a movie about a killer doll. Disbelief is already suspended, but I'm also just like having a hard time believing that he successfully and seamlessly covered up all that shit for that long. Like,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It's,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:seem real.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:it, that part, that's what gets you
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:That's what gets me. I'm like, killer doll, fine. But I draw the line at prosthetics like that lasting over a day
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:attack.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:so
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It does look good. He's, he's done a good job. Whoever did his makeup, did a good job. Um,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I know. Do you think Tiffany did his makeup?
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:what I think. Yeah. I mean, come up.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:think
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Of course. Tiffany is just so talented. oh, but before this happens, I, for, uh, we forgot to talk about, there's one more confrontation between Barb and and Nika Barb is trying to find Chucky and Nika ISS downstairs and the power's out. So Nika can't go upstairs to actually talk to Barb, Nika like, get the fuck away from that doll and. Barb is just like, yeah, I know. Why didn't you tell me? And so Barb thinks that Nika is talking about the hidden camera when Nika is actually just trying to be like, no, that doll's gonna fucking kill you. What are you talking
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:That's her.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:it together By
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:She's figured out.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah. Yeah. She does the obligatory hot girl research montage
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:the internet search.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:we have
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah. She pulls her
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:the
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:on the internet. The internet search? Yes.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes. this is where I think Barb's, anger, resentment, and repression really comes out.'cause she fucking goes off on, on Nika and you can tell that she feels some type of way because Nika probably got treatment when they were kids she's, just like full on resents her now at this point.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, she's she's pretty nasty.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:but yeah. So Anika, first off, badass Lee drags herself upstairs,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:but she doesn't get there on time. Unfortunately. Babs, dies.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Babs,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Barb Babs Barbie,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:whatever.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:She dies and we get, this very, very CG Chucky walking down the stairs.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes, this is a, um, how, how he do it. this is a, a moment where we definitely can see that perhaps the budget isn't quite the same.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:yeah, I miss the puppet on
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:know, you gotta do what you gotta do.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Absolutely.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And so I don't remember how, I don't exactly remember. I guess the detail doesn't matter. Nika has A spare wheelchair upstairs. She goes and she wakes up Ian and Ian finds all the bodies and carries Nika downstairs into the garage. And then he goes to find Alice, I believe. And then that's when Chucky. into the garage and then that heart thing happens.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:happens. Yes. Chucky, tries to kill Nika by turning on the vehicle that's in the garage and, you know, wants to kill her with, I guess carbon monoxide. Ian comes running back to the garage and Nika starts to have some kind of episode, and she's asking Ian to inject her with something and he's refusing. And I, is he refusing because he thinks that Nika had something to do with these deaths or the disappearance?
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, I mean, it's kind of sus she's sitting there with an axe in a broken car window and found all of these dead bodies and stuff, so it's like, I get it. I wouldn't let her, I mean, she doesn't die,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:She doesn't die.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:very, I. a very intense situation and he just like lets her,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Pass out.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:she, she loses consciousness. So we still don't know what the heart issue is, but It, we, it does come back
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes, it comes back. That's the only time it comes back. She passes out and then she wakes up upstairs tapes to her wheelchair with Ian looking up the nanny cam footage.'cause he's trying to find out who killed all these bitches and stuff. he is also trying to find out where Alice is too,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah. We haven't seen the kid. We don't know where the kid is.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I think Chucky like locked her in a closet or something. I
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:see that on the nanny cam footage. He says something like, shut the fuck up or something, and she's like, Chucky, don't curse like that. But yeah, we get the real life nanny cam footage. Ian ends up getting killed, of course, with an axe to the fucking jaw,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh yeah. He cuts his jaw off.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And then this is when Nika gets the axe to the knee.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Chucky is rushing towards Her and she tilts back so that way her legs
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:leg will get hit. Right, right.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And then we get this really beautiful shot of Chucky. Pushing Nika over the ban or, uh, not over through the banister, down to the first floor again, when she flips and she falls down, I think that's a beautiful shot.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It's it's very cool.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And then this is where we find out why Chucky is here.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Right, right. We finally get the information, as to why Charles Lee Ray was at the party and what the connection is with his family.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:So here we are. Okay. How did, tell me, tell me your feelings about this.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I fucking hate this so much so, so, so much. Yes. So everybody, here's what happens. I guess Chucky was obsessed with Nikas mom. Sarah killed her husband and her while she was pregnant with Nika. And this whole thing isn't black and white. Mind you? except for the fucking sunflowers. Those are yellow. And I just hate it because it makes Charles Lee Ray look, it takes away his power. You know what I'm saying? The fact that he was so obsessed with this woman and this. Is what leads to him shot in Chicago, getting shot in that toy store.'cause he has her kidnapped and the police show up It immediately cuts to footage of him running into the toy store from the first
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Right. We know now you don't like it.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:what? What happened to Eddie Caputo? Huh?
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:person in this whole series. What the
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:that's right. Where's any caputo? You're right.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I just don't, I don't like it. I, I, I, I don't, don't, I, I more than don't like it. I hate it. I, I, no, I pretend that this doesn't exist. When I think about the Chucky franchise, like this whole thing, I don't know what you're talking about.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:You are right. It does make him, it does take some of the power of him away. You know, it makes him, desperate and, I don't wanna say you don't pity him, but it's, it's a little, it's just not what he started out to be, he's this. Powerful. I don't wanna, I don't know if you'd call him a shaman or what, but he's obviously got some kind of power. And, instead he ends up obsessed with this lady trying to make a little family with her. And she's, when she gets the cops involved, he stabs her. And that's how Nika ends up being, paralyzed is from. Him, him doing this to Sarah while she's pregnant and then yeah, he runs off and jumps into the toy store and we see, you know, that those, there's that shootout and it does get rid of Eddie Caputo and just kind of change the lore a little bit.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, you know what? I think it gives, it gives him some incel vibes.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:what it is that I don't like about it. It makes Charles Lee Ray an incel and I don't think that way about him. I feel like he could be very
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I feel like he knows how to work with people, so I just, I don't like
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, he's, he's a, he's a creepy murderer, but he's charismatic and could get any woman that he wanted to.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Exactly. Which we do see later on in the TV series, so I don't know. I just, I pretend that this doesn't
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Okay.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:So we can move on. We can totally move
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh yeah, from that part, that didn't even happen.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I have no idea what you're talking about. I do feel like I had another point to make though. Hold on. Uh, did I have another point to make? Oh, yes. I do like though that he does kind of like throwback, uh, I, I, I don't know if I would call this an Easter egg, but he's just like, you know, a lot of families have come and gone, the Barclays, the Kins, The. tillies, but your family has always been my favorite and I like that. It's like that little line just makes me remember oh shit. this whole thing has spanned. Almost, well I guess at this point,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:and or like 25 years at this point. So I love that It's just like generations of families that he is fucked with. I think
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:As a, I like your Chucky voice by the way.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. I don't know where it came from. what I also like, this is where,'cause earlier when Nikas flirting with the delivery guy, there's this cheeky line where she was like, I guess she was going to school for psychology or something, and she dropped out and she was like, yeah, you know, I never finished my thesis on completion anxiety.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Complete. Yes.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:really funny, but, uh, that pays off here because she starts reading Chucky to filth. She's like, you know, you never killed Andy, did you? Dah, dah, dah, dah. It's called completion anxiety. It's really common in males, and she pisses Chucky off so much and I fucking love it
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:so much.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:yeah. She really gives him, gives him a hard time for, not never killing Andy Barkley and taking so long to track her down.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:oh.'cause he gets pissed off and he's just like, I'm gonna kill you so slowly. And she's like, yeah, 25 years is probably the slowest murder in history. See, this is why IL like, I, I love Nika for the, like, she's so sassy and smart and ugh, so fucking fun.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:No, she's good.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:does a great job with this.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh yeah. She's so pretty too. Can I just say that? She's so pretty. Oh, she got great hair. God, she's beautiful.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Please just please, please, please talk about how pretty she is.'cause she
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:she is gorgeous. again, wonderful addition to the chuckle Chucky cannon.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:And now I'm really these people that you're like, who the hell are these people? Why are they here? Why are we watching these people in this house? Now? It's like, oh, I'm really glad that I met Nika. She's a great character.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Exactly. I don't care about the other people. I'm actually happy that they
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:most
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Who cares? None of them.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:None of them are memorable
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, that's fair. I think the only person is like, like Jill was trying to convince Barb to lighten up on Nika a bit for a minute. She was like, you don't have to sell the house. We'll be fine. But beyond that, everyone else was just kind of shitty,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:and I mean, if you think about the fact that Jill was like also. Cheating with Barb, you know, like Exactly, exactly. She was the mistress. You know, nobody in that family was ideal and we still, and the little girl is still missing, so who cares?
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:thank God. Sorry. When power comes back on, she gets into the elevator and like is whole. Holding the thing closed while Chucky's trying to kill her. And then the officer shows up and Chucky just goes and parks himself in the corner and shit does not look good for Nika
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:is holding a knife. Yeah, she's, and she's covered in blood and she's holding a knife.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:and everyone's dead. And this is where we get into a Lord of the Rings, return of the king type, never ending, ending
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Ah, I see. Mm-hmm. Right, right. It could have been, could have been over then. Right. Lord of the Rings has like 16 ending. It's,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes. This one has like
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:because we have, it could have ended there. And then we have the courtroom scene where Nika gets sentenced to, an asylum for the criminally insane for all of this murder. and I love how they have all of the evidence lined up. They have rat poison, And then Chucky is there and she's like screaming at him. She's like, I'm alive, you fucker.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Not, not doing herself any favors when it comes to looking sane.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:No, not at all. and so you think, okay, this is where the movie could end, but I ask No. We have Officer Stanton who is literally recycling word for word. The conversation that the officer in bride of Chucky had with, Hey, I'm on way, don't forget my money, because he's delivering Chucky to Tiffany, he gets killed
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Thank God. Hi, Tiffany. We've missed you. Welcome back.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I know, I know. She looks, she's again, just such a babe. I love her hair in
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:like, I don't know how to explain it. It's just like a cute little like boop. Mm-hmm. And then, okay, so that happens and you're like, okay, this is certainly where the movie ends.'cause it ends on a shot that feels like an ending where it's from the perspective inside of the bag. And we see Tiffany's face and she's like, okay, who's next? And she closes it up, pitch black. And you're like, okay, that's the end of the movie.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:There's more.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:first we see Tiffany to deliver the doll somewhere to deliver Chucky, and then we end up at Alice's house and Chucky is there. He killed her grandmother and he wants to play Hide the soul.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Hide the soul. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And this one presumably He succeeds as far as we know at this
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Right,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:doing the thing and the camera pans and then we see the dead grandmother jump, scare the camera.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:right.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:and then we go into credits. But wait, there's more.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:the movie's not over.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:The movie's not over. We have a post credit sequence. And this I'm fine with,'cause this is what I needed. You saw the post credit sequence
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh yeah, this was pretty cool. This is like,
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:okay, I'm, I'm here for this.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:yeah. we, we, we finally see a familiar face. We see live and grown. Andy Barkley. Role reprised by Alex Vincent,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:How cool.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:og Andy Barkley. This is such a wonderful little treat Chucky goes to Andy to finish the job, but Andy knows he's coming and he has a shotgun and we just chucky's just like Andy. And that's it.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:And that's it. Yep. How cool for Alex Vincent to have gotten that phone call from his agent that was like, Hey, you wanna come back and play Andy Barkley again? You know, 20 something years. After having done it, oh, that just must have been so cool. I would've been like, Uhhuh, yes, of course. I wanna come back. Thank you. I.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Uh, Yeah. I fucking love that they made that call. It's so good and it sets us up, for what's to come in the next movie. and I think that kind of put him in the mindset of treating Chucky more like a TV series where you have all of these plots kind of weaving in and out of each other. And I feel like this, this movie is kind of when that seed starts to get planted.'cause there's cliffhangers and these little things that are gonna be carried over to the next movie and. Ultimately we do get a TV series out of it, and I, I kind of dig it. I like this never ending Chucky.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Never ending Chucky. Yeah. Yeah. That is cool.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, I see what you mean. That it does kind of Suddenly seem like it's more structured like a TV show.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes. So That's Curse of Chucky everybody. That's
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:so tricky.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:favorite Chucky movie. Um.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, I I, I bet you it is because he gets to work with his kid.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:It has to
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:I.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:how do you feel about this movie, Donnie? I I. want to hear your, your final, your overall thoughts.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:You know, when I, when I first watched it, I was disappointed because I was so invested in the, campy. You know, the, the last two movies were just so right up my alley, you know, the, the horror comedy I, when it's done well, like it's done in this series. So I was just so excited to see the continuation of that and then to, to have taken such a far step away from it. When I first saw it, I was like, oh, it's okay. I think it's my least favorite in the series. And then I just re-watched it a few days ago. And when you're watching the movie, just. In and of itself, it's actually a really good film. It's a really good movie. The only thing that I was disappointed in was because I had expectations that it was going to be different. So do I love the movie? I think it, it sits well by itself, and in fact, you could watch it without really having seen any of the other ones and still stick with it pretty well. is it my favorite? No, it's not. It's probably my second to last. Favorite. No, that's not true. It's probably number five. No, that's not true. I have mixed feelings about it, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Similarly, I have like mixed feelings about it, but it's the opposite direction
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Okay.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:of what you experienced.'cause when I first watched it, I was like, oh, this is fun. This is a great tonal shift. I like the style. I like that it's uh, more intimate kind of gig. But then the more I sat with it and viewed it in this universe That has been built for Chucky, just comparatively, it doesn't stand up to a lot of the other movies. And I think. It's really hard for me to get past that one big thing that I do not like about this movie.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:you're not gonna mention again.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:That I'm not gonna mention again, I just have to mention it now. I, I remove that part and my feelings towards this movie increase a lot more. But I would be, it would not be 100% honest of me to talk about this movie without acknowledging the movie as a whole. So, I. I think it's a great step in the franchise and I think it sets us up to go to some really great places, but it's, it's not my favorite of the franchise either. I appreciate it as its own film, but in the franchise, not my
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:That's, that's exactly it. Like asset's own film is cool, but when it exists in the world of Chucky, it's, it's, that's what I, it just seems like a wedging of square peg into a round hole for me.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Mm-hmm. but I do love that It still maintains its queer
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It certainly does.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:that that's fantastic. I love that it's not subtext. We have just straight up queer characters in this film. Lesbian characters nonetheless,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I don't think at this point have we really had any.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm. No.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Not nothing explicitly, no.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah. It's just so nice to see lesbians too, you know, because it's, it, they just appear so infrequently in media, you know? Especially in 2013.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, And especially in a way that's not, extremely painted for the male gaze where it's like they're lesbians and they're hot and they're making out for these guys. It's like, no, these are lesbians that are lesbians for the sake of being
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, exactly.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:for each other. You know what I'm
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I agree with you there, just having a different, different part of the queer community represented in this movie. I also just like that, There's, of course, you know, with the infidelity and like the lesbian love affair is like one thing, but I do feel like Chucky as, as his own entity kind of is a representation of the perversion of family values from the eighties just seeing that manifest itself even further in these films, I kind of like it.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah, he is a perversion of family values.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Mm-hmm.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:we've gotten to watch, things change around Chucky, but Chucky stays the same, and that's really interesting.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:beautiful. Do you have, I, I, I, sometimes I ask if you have a favorite set piece, but we only have
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:The one said piece
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:in this movie.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:and it's lovely. It's such a cool house. Yeah. And I think if I had to pick a favorite set piece of the house, it's that amazing elevator, the big WR iron elevator.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:it's so cty. Yes, I'm with you there. I love the elevator. What, how about, uh, favorite kill? Do you have a favorite kill from this movie?
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:I really appreciate the electrocution. it's something about that eye, you know, her eye bulging out and it's all burned around her face and all thete, the smoke coming off of her, I really like that and I, I do like the, the priest's death. But I think my favorite overall, the way that it's executed and shown is the electrocution.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Huh. Executed
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Execution electrocution.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:I, to your point, I do like how it shot because it, it feels more grounded.'cause with electrocutions in horror movies, oftentimes you just get somebody like,
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Right, right.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:but that's, that's not really what happens. And I think that that was scary. It was really unnerving to see. So. I get it. I, for me it is the
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:It was a tossup, uh, same boat as you, it was a tossup between electrocution and the priest. I just, I, I like the priest a lot. I think it's a really, the whole sequence at dinner I think is really fun. I like the unexpected aftermath of him getting poisoned. I just think it's really cool.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:His, his death is cool. It's fun to watch.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:All right. Now I do have, I'm gonna bring up some results from an audience thing, and we talked about this already. Brought it up Chucky's redesign and how you felt about it. I threw a poll up on Instagram and I asked, my followers how they felt about Chucky's redesign. I asked if they thought it was an all stars glow up or if they thought it was, botched, and 75% said botched. So, and I'm pretty sure you responded that as
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:I was, I was ha uh, part of that 75%. Yes.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah. people really don't like the Chucky redesign. And you know what? Now that I'm looking at the photos of them side by side, I get it.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yeah.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:It
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:It just that to me, it seemed unnecessary.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:To each their own, there's people out there that dig the redesign and good for you. I think maybe it is the uncanny valley of it all. It's, you know, modernizing his look because American Girl Dolls, it's kind of more it in line with those dolls now versus the Cabbage Patch kids. So it makes sense.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:see. I don't know much about American Girl Dolls. Do they do, does he look similar to them? Unless, I mean, you're right. He looks much less like a cabbage patch kid.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, it's, it's a little bit more like that. The American Girl Dolls. Very nondescript. But still some humanesque. It's like a blank human canvas almost in miniature form. It's kind
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Okay.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:do you have any final things to say about cursive Chucky?
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:I do, I, I, you know, for me, the thing that, just continues to run in my head is just that tonal shift. And it is cool to see the growth that Don Mancini has had as a director. he's more, I, I guess, more grounded now. And it's very, very noticeable in this movie.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, he's finessed
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:skills. I
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Yes.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:it's a lot smoother, a lot more playful and creative. I agree with you a hundred
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:A word that keeps coming up when I'm thinking about this movie is nuance. There's so much nuance in the movie. There's nuance in Fiona Dora's performance, it's not in your face. It's very, there's more subtle subtext, nuance, things like that.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yes, absolutely. we've said it a million times. I'm just gonna say it again one final time. Fiona Dora, wonderful addition to Chucky. I'm so glad you're here, Fiona. So, so glad. And I'm so excited to see what she does in culture.
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:In cult. Yeah.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:Yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens with Nika Pearson, the next movie, everybody. Donnie, where can our listeners find
donnie_2_06-24-2025_150751:Oh, you can find me on Instagram the Donnie Cido, It's the word, the, the word Donnie, D-O-N-N-I-E. And then my last name, which is C-I-A-N-C-I-O-T-T-O.
crybaby-_3_06-24-2025_150752:And of course you can find me crybaby, on the Instagram at cryon in public, so that's cryon without the G in of course, follow horror icon. That's W-H-O-R-R-O-R. Icon Pod on the Instagram and we'll see you again soon, cuties. We'll see you next week for Cult of Chucky. And until then, don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Bye.
