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11. Cult of Chucky (2017)
ENTER THE CHUCKY-VERSE! Join CryBaby and Donnie for their final episode in their deep dive of the Chucky Franchise. This week they wrap up with 'Cult of Chucky,' discussing its mind-boggling plot, gag over some iconic kills, and thirst over Fiona Dourif's electrifying performance. To wrap up this whole shenanigans, CryBaby and Donnie will share their personal favorite moments from the entire series and celebrate Chucky as a fixture in pop culture. Don't miss this bittersweet farewell to the Chucky saga and a celebration of its lasting influence!
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crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Hi there, cutie patootie, and welcome back to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. I'm your host Crybaby, the spooky slut from your wettest nightmare.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:And I am Donnie Cianciotto, the artistic director of Trans Voices Cabaret.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes you are. Fuck yeah. Trans Voices cabaret. Is there a date for the next one
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:There is not yet. No. No. We're keeping you all in suspense.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I cannot wait. Cannot wait. Welcome back everybody. Donnie and I totally are not recording this the same day that we recorded our Curse of Chucky
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:What? What? no. Come on. That would never happen. My cat just happens to be in the same exact place.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, and I'm almost in the exact same makeup. I feel like I am channeling Rag Muff and Chucky a
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Rag of muffin chucking. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes. back everybody. thank you for being here. Don't forget to like, and subscribe and do all that fun stuff to help us grow. We're about growth here
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes please do all those things.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:also this is it's a bittersweet episode. We're wrapping up our foray into the Chucky franchise for
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. Yes. I can't believe that we've finally gotten here.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I know, over a year later, can you believe that Donnie we started this in May of last year.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's nuts. Really? Yeah. That's a whole 13 months.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:That's, yeah, that is. That absolutely is. granted, I think the holidays just,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh yeah. No. There,
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:even remember that
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:there were holidays. There was an election. There were a whole bunch of things that happened.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:A lot of things that I'd rather forget. But yeah, we're here we're bringing it home. We're covering the final movie in the Chucky franchise, which is Cult of Chucky. There is a TV show that takes place after this. We, I. Don't have the time to go through all of that. Maybe one day in the future I would love to be able to go through the TV
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh yeah.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:But for now, this is where we're gonna park it for Chucky. Donnie, I'm so happy to have you here for our final episode in this franchise. How are you feeling?
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I am feeling great. I'm glad to be here. Thank you so much for involving me in this amazing podcast of yours.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Of course, like I said at the beginning, were number one with a bullet for like guests that I was gonna have on this show. So it's been wonderful having you. Let's not get too wrapped up in the pleasantries and the goodbyes'cause we have a whole ass movie to talk about today. Cult of Chucky. Cult of Chucky. Cult of
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Cold, tough, Chucky.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I am dressed as if I am in the cult of Chucky. I love cults. Like I don't wanna be in one, but I just, I find cults so fascinating.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:fascinating.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:the connotation of cults of Chucky already has my interest peaked a little bit extra. It's an interesting one. It's a very interesting one.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. Yes, it is a very interesting one.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:So needless to say, everybody, of course, spoiler warning, if you haven't seen it, watch it and then come back to us please.'cause we don't go as in depth as we used to. We don't go like beat by beat. We kinda more of a, a broad stroke kind of
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes,
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:you want all the dirty deets, go watch the movie and then come back to
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:absolutely.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:just here for the, we're here for the gay shit.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:We're here for the gay show.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:to kick it off, of course I do have the cry, baby synopses. The cry Baby Breakdown. Ooh, that's what I'm gonna start calling it. The Cry Baby
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh, there you go. That's awesome.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. We have the Cry Baby breakdown, for cult of Chuckie. Have you ever wanted to be completely confused and aroused? We'll throw on your comfiest sweater and join us in supporting our girl Nika, as she navigates one of the most sterile, snowy, fucked up asylums. This side of Hackensack, New Jersey. It's been four years since curse Anika's been put through it. Intense therapy, gaslighting and electroshock therapy. that she's quote unquote improved, her fuck ass doctor decides it's time to transfer her to a lower security mental institution. A move that unfortunately opens up a whole can of chuckies, not one, but two good guy dolls arrive to raise some hell and murder inmates and staff alike. Lots of people die all while we have no idea what the fuck is happening and what the fuck Chucky wants. All the while Tiffany Valentine is just floating around, serving high femme chaos and former cutie patootie. Andy Barkley makes his emotionally unstable return armed, unhinged, and ready to kick some Chucky ass. It's a movie bonkers enough to make you question your own sanity and make you wonder what the hell is gonna happen next.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's a beautiful breakdown. What the hell is gonna happen next?
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:What the hell is gonna happen next? This film is, it is a wild ride, a wild fucking ride.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:And it's such a departure from the rest of the series. It's similar to curse, but, boy is it different.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It is very different and it's, this is also directed by Don Mancini. Don's directed everyone since Seed of Chucky, which is great'cause it, it also, it's really interesting to see how different each of these movies are.'cause they are so different from each other. And to see that they were directed by the same person, I find to be quite fascinating.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's very true.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And to bitch the pot. this idea of multiple chuckies is something that Don had he wanted to do in child's play. Three, I can't remember if we talked about it in our child's play three episode or not, but It makes sense that this is, that's the movie where he first got the idea for multiple chuckies. Because way Chucky gets brought back to life in child's play, three is his blood in the plastic and this huge vat of plastic. So you would think if it's his blood, that's what brings these dolls to life. Then wouldn't every doll that was made with that plastic a form of Chucky?
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Good, good thinking.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:but they didn't have the budget for that in the early nineties, so they threw that idea on the shelf and that's how we ended up here with Cult of Chucky. Multiple ass chuckies.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I'm glad he finally got the opportunity to do it because it is pretty, pretty damn cool.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I think it's pretty damn cool too. And it's great because again, he keeps you guessing. Like I think seed is when we started to get unhinged and then I feel like Curse kind of reigned it back in. And then Colt is just like, you know what? Fuck it. Let's go completely off the rails. And it's a nonstop crazy train after this movie, just Doing the most, which I fucking love. it premiered in 2017 in the London Fright Fest film, the London Fright Fest Film Festival.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:that's a mouthful.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. so this one, it did have, it didn't have a full theatrical. Debut. The last one that had one was Seed of Chucky, but it did, make an appearance in a festival and then it went straight to video that October. I didn't know this, apparently the film was leaked two weeks before its release.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That sounds vaguely familiar, but I, yeah, it does sound familiar now that you've said it, but I don't recall any of the details. Else.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I didn't get any of the details either. I just. Saw that it had been leaked. Listen, everybody leaking movies not cool. It's one thing if it's I don't, God I don't even know if I should say this'cause their lawyers are
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:There's a certain, there's a certain company that gets a little sue happy, that owns pretty much everything. Leaking their movies, I don't care. But if it's like independent queer filmmakers, let them have their
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, don't leak those. Come on. Be cool.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Let's see. Ah, so Jennifer Tilley, she shot all of her scenes in this in six days.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:six days, ugh.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:we also, this is when we start to get Don Mancini does this a lot where he will recycle actors. You see it a lot more on the TV show. But he, with this movie, starts to bring back actors For example, officer Stanton, the police officer from Curse of Chucky, he is in this film as multiple Malcolm, he's one of the side characters.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I did not notice that, and I just watched those two movies back to back the other day. Didn't notice.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yep. They're the same. I mean, They, he looks completely
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I will give them that credit. And then the actor that plays Dr. Foley in this movie goes on to play a different role in the Chucky TV
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:This is where that loyalty, bringing people back to do different things, starts to manifest itself and we see them use the fuck out of that with Devon Saba in the TV
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:We certainly do.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:They I feel like every season just like, what fucked up way? Can I kill Devon SWA this
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That is probably what he thinks. Yeah.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Oh, I get it though. so apparently the original version of this movie didn't have any scenes between Jennifer Tilley and Alex Vincent, Andy Barkley and Tiffany Valentine. But I guess fans were so excited about the possibility of there being interaction between them. They went ahead and wrote a scene for them to be able to talk and communicate. So I think that's pretty
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That is really cool. It's such a meshing of the Chucky worlds, the child's play, and the Chucky worlds,
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:exactly. And I think it's the kind of exciting thing that happens that you don't necessarily, th I, I don't necessarily think about I wouldn't think about Andy Barkley interacting with Tiffany Valentine, but seeing it happen would make me so happy and so excited. So I'm glad that he did that. All right, so let's go through the characters on this. There's quite a few. I only listed out ones that kind of matter. Of course we have Andy Barkley returning naturally. Nika Pierce is returning as well. Nika from last time. Tiffany Valentine. We have Dr. Foley, who is Nikas therapist and psychiatrist. That fuck ass motherfucker. We have multiple Malcolm, we have Angela, Claire, and Madeline. So those four are all also inmates in this institution. And then we have the two nurses. Carlos and nurse Ashley. They're like the orderlies of the place. And then we have Chucky.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Chuck E.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:is parenthetical s on that one. Those are all of the babes we have in this movie and this one's gonna be a doozy, so I think we should just hop right
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Let's give it a go.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Let's give it a go. the first thing we see is, we get to see what life is like for Andy Barclay, which I do. I like that they brought Alex Vincent back, so that way we can see how Andy turned out after all the bullshit that he went through throughout the Chucky series.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, absolutely. And we get to see it on the same person. It. The same actor wearing all of that, which is really cool.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Exactly. It's great to see Alex Vincent back. He's on a date and apparently this date Googled him and she saw like all the crazy shit that he was doing. So his dating life isn't going well, it's okay because I. If you remember from the last movie we had that post credit sequence where Chucky showed up at Andy's doorstep he's keeping Chucky's head as a pet so he has Chucky to come home to.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:got Chucky. Mm-hmm. Keeping him, keeping his head alive. Alive in a safe. So he's got somebody to talk to, which is just such a. Fucked up thing for a victim to do. Like his life was so dependent upon Chucky and connected to Chucky that he can't separate himself from his tormentor.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. Chucky is always going to be there always, whether it be like actually or metaphorically, he's just not gonna be able to escape him. So, There is a sadness to it. There's, but there is also kind of like, there's a hope to it of just like confronting it, you know? He smokes weed with this Chucky
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes, he does.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I find weird. It's almost a little romantic.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:It is they're, they have this codependent, unhealthy relationship, you know, that he holds, holds the little joint up to Chucky's face so that Chucky can take a hit. And it's just like you're right, there's a bromance going on
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. But there's also some of that fucked up stuff because Andy torturing this head. cause Chucky pissed him off. Chucky read him for filth. he called it like it is. He's like, you're never gonna escape me all that shit. Your dates are never gonna go well. And so Andy fucking gets a blow torch and takes it to Chucky's face,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Andy's a little fucked up.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Like I said, emotionally
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:to kick some Chucky ass. So after we get that little catch up with, with Andy, we get to move back to Nika. To Fiona. Dora Reprising her role as Nika Pierce and oh God, it sucks'cause I think the first time we see her in this movie is when she's getting electroshock
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I believe That is true. Yeah. She's on the table.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. It's quite unfortunate. But her fuck ass doctor. Decides that she's improving and I can't tell'cause he's like questioning her and everything and I can't tell if she genuinely believes that she did it and she's just projecting that it's Chucky or if she's just playing the game because she knows that's what she has to do in order to not get treated like shit in this institution. What do you
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I think that she wants to believe that it was Chucky, but doesn't necessarily actually believe that, but she's trying to convince herself because that's what she's been told for four years.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:That's true. And they do some hypnosis and stuff like that too. So Either way, she says all the right things, and Dr. Foley decides to move her to this very bright, white, sterile fucking institution. It's so cold and
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, I find it. I find it difficult to look at.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, and I think I do like that it's very uncomfortable. It's very unwelcoming, it's very confusing. It's also like it's, can't make heads or tails of where you're at in this space, which is also something else that I like. The, there's no, there's like one or two defined set pieces, but there's no like set. environment that they're working in. It all just feels so nebulous and ambiguous.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. That's exactly what it feels like. It's enough when you're looking at it, it makes you feel like you're losing your mind.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes. Very much this whole movie, I feel like I'm losing my mind. I'm not gonna lie. but we do get to meet one of the nurses, Carlos. And Carlos is a queer character. Did you catch
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I did catch that he references his boyfriend or his partner? I think his boyfriend.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It's his
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh, his husband.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, we have a gay married nurse and I just have to say I love how we still get to have queer characters in this movie, but now their plot line isn't about them being queer. He is a nurse, he's an orderly. you know, he gives Nika her sticks of gum or whatever and he just happens to have a husband. Like the conversations. That let us know that he's gay They happen in the background So I really, I appreciate I like that it's it's not a plot point. It just is. And that's what we, that's what I want. I don't know if that's what you want. That's
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:No, No. I wanna see more queer characters that are just queer, not there because they're queer necessarily, but just happen to be queer.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, exactly. And then we get you're, you're right, this, the whole plot of this movie is a cloud. It's like seed of Chucky all over
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. But on steroids. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:it's, It's wild. So everybody who's following along with us again, I hope you watched the movie because this is not gonna be a reliable source for a play by play and for specifics'cause it's, it's very, it's very cloudy and I just
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:So did I. I watched it and a couple days ago.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. Let's see. So we get our character exposition, dumps like your mental institution archetypes. they all have like, their thing this one woman is like, can you see me? She's schizophrenic or whatever. yeah, just the setup for all of the meat bags that are gonna get killed later.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's a good way of putting it. That's exactly what it is.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:But we do meet he introduces himself at this point as a Michael, and Nika and him chatted up. They get flirty
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah they, they immediately get it
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:They fucking the stairwell. And I'm like, good for
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, get it. She deserves it.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And honestly, I mean, he's kind of a
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Not like 100% my type,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah. He's A good looking guy.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:and he is not afraid of her, which I think is a big thing.'cause all of the other inmates are afraid of her. think that she's dangerous. They think that she's gonna kill them. He doesn't think that way. He goes back and forth on like, yeah, it actually was Chucky. I like that. I like that initially Nika seems to have an
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm. At first.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:as Nika is getting settled into this new space, of course a good guy doll shows up and just, he starts wreaking havoc. Sending messages through Angie the one who's like schizophrenic and One of the inmates adopts Chucky as her
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm. She treats'em like it's her baby.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:yeah, I think her name is Madeline. She's like, oh my God, he's my baby. And she instantly latches onto him. And then we also find out that Michael multiple personalities, and he's called multiple Malcolm. But then at, after we get all of this learning and exposition, Chucky LANs here, Tiffany shows up looking fabulous.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:good. As if she couldn't, as if she couldn't look good.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:they, I noticed like color story-wise in this, like it's so sterile and white, they use the color red for Chucky and Tiffany Tiffany's wearing a red coat and then we'll see red later on. But she looks so vibrant and out of place in this crazy kooky space.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah. It's it just a, another piece of Don Mancini's genius to see the juxtaposition between the way that the previous movies color palette was with this one.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Exactly It. We went from like dark and dreary to like cold and clinical and then just pops a vibrant color, just like these are the exciting people in
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And Tiffany shows up because she's playing as Alice's legal guardian she tells Nika that Alice is dead. she tells Nika that she died from a broken heart, which is so
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:It's very manipulative.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And then after Tiffany visits, we get the double Chucky. And this is where I started to get confused.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I'm already confused.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And we don't know, as far as we know, only one of them is Chucky. Only one of them is the real
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:right?
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:the other's a decoy or
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:The other is, The other is like your average good guy doll.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:We finally get to see Chucky in action after Tiffany visits, he goes to a drawer behind Carlos that's labeled Sharps, and he pulls a scalpel out and it, he's going to find Nika he even asks one of the inmates, Angie, he is like, where's Nika? And she just straight up tells him.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Thanks, Angie.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And then he goes in and he finds that Nika beat him to the punch. She broke a spoke off of her wheelchair and tried to end it supposedly because she was so upset about Alice having
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm. That's what I would, that's what I assumed as well. She just didn't want to be in the world anymore because of what happened to Alice.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes, but Chucky said no, no, no, no, no. None of that. He, I guess, is a doctor,'cause he stitches her back
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Stitches are up. Yep.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:tonight.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:much.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Like, Not so fast. Don't even think about it. And then. Instead of killing Nika, Chucky goes to kill Angie, the one that told him where Nika
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:He is just wreaking havoc, killing for killing's sake.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Killing for, exactly, killing for killing's sake. obviously he just likes fucking with people. Obviously. He is trying to make Nika seem crazier than she actually is, and it's just, it's all the Chucky games, it's the shit that Chucky likes to do. But then Andy shows up he has chucky's head, the head that he was torturing earlier and he's trying to show Dr. Foley like, yo, this is real, like Chucky's actually, a real thing. And Dr. Foley thinks it's just visual effects,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Very impressive visual effects. But yeah, he he doesn't buy what Andy sent. One.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And this this is just a whole, I mean, it makes sense. They're in an institution where everyone's sanity is being questioned. And just the biggest conversation for these people is whether or not this doll is actually alive, even when presented with some proof that it may be alive. and. It gets to the point where Nika forces the doctor to hold a lighter underneath one of Chucky's hands and it like melts the fuck down. when that doll doesn't react, she's like, okay, well then it must be the other one. And it is very confusing. Because, let's see, Madeline Chucky outside and then Madeline takes one of the dolls outside and then multiple Malcolm goes after her. Nika wants to keep an eye on the doll'cause she thinks that one's the real one. then they both end up in a grave and then they climb out. And then we're led to believe that Malcolm is also possessed by
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Like this Steven Soderberg looking as editing sequence with different frames coming in and out of the
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yep, I remember that. And he gives Nika this really scary, sketchy smile. So we're like, uhoh, something has happened. Chucky put his, split his soul or something, and now he's in Malcolm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Well, And it doesn't help that later on he is saying oh, my name's
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Name's Charles dah, as if he is been possessed by Chucky. And it's just, there's such a tangled web of chaos being woven right now, and the audience is left wondering what the fuck is
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:What was going through your mind at this point in the movie?
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:It was just. I was probably thinking about the qua, the quality of the movie the way that it was being made and how different it was from everything else because it was, I was difficult to follow, to be honest with you. And I had a hard time like sitting through it without getting lost, so I was having trouble staying focused.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, I think this movie is very much, it's a lot of style with minimal and specific
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Cause even talking through it, I'm just like, God, what the
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:What happened next? Everything looks the same and there were multiple chuckies, which, is gonna throw you off. But, there are definitely parts of the movie that stand out to me that I, that I can't forget. But so much of it was, mushed together. You said something about a tangled web of chaos and Yes. That's what it, that's what it feels like.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, in so much so where it's like there's multiple chuckies and I don't remember which one is which during this part, like there's the one that's in the grave, there's the one that's with this person, and like they both seem to be acting independently, so it's. It's very confusing. I think it's meant
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I don't know if it's meant to be as confusing as
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:but the next big moment that I can think of is what happens with Claire when she's like strapped to the bed. Do you remember that
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:No, you gotta gimme more than that.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Oh, when the decapitation,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh. Oh. When she strapped to the stretch, the, it looks like a gurney to me, but I guess it's a bed.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:She's strapped to something, to a table, to a
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:mm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I think like that's the next big moment in all of this chaos.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:death is very reminiscent of a death in bride of Chucky to me.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. Very much so. the honeymooners the, the
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. Yes. The swingers with the mirror in the ceiling at the hotel or the motel now.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:it's very visually beautiful. This is one of those where I'm like, this style is really showing. It's like the slowmo with the glass falling. It's stunning, I think. How do you feel about
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I think it's, like you said, it's beautiful to look at stylistically. It's beautiful and it's a cool death. Can I remember every second of it? No, I can't because so much of it is, was just convoluted to me.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It is, it's all, there's for me, there's the beats. There's. Chucky in the grave and we think Malcolm is possessed. And then Claire gets decapitated because of the, I think it was like a compressed air Chucky shoots into it, into the the window that's
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:There's also a lot of snow in this
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. It's all very white and sterile harsh, harshly lit.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:it is very harshly lit. And also there's, I think it's be like, it's not a safe space.'cause there's also, now I'm remembering, there's moments with Dr. Foley with that fuck ass doctor where he hypnotizes Nika, he like puts her under and then he sexually assaults
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh yeah, this is, this is something I can't forget. Yeah, absolutely. There big trigger warning for this movie. He puts her under and then does sexually assault her. we are led to believe that she knows it's going to happen. Which is just, it's just horrific. So here's this man abusing his power and abusing his patients. And all you can do is hope that he gets it really good in the end.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Honestly.'cause he even says, he's like, oh, I missed our little
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Fuck this guy. Fuck Dr. Foley. Fuck him. Good. And well, and so much so that,'cause like the first time we see them do the hypno thing, Chucky knocks him out
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:and he's just like, what the fuck is wrong with this
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah. Even Chucky thinks that this is not cool, and he's right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And he's right. so this is okay. This is something that Chucky is doing in this movie that we see a lot more in this series where he's trying to convince somebody else to kill somebody. he's trying to get Nika to kill the doctor. Okay, so I'm just, I'm not gonna be too attached to this. So we get the phone call with Tiffany and Andy, which is cute. It's a little bit of a nothing burger, but it's just nice to see them interact with the, with each
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. That fun crossover of worlds
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. Especially with just like Jennifer Tilley, just being so playful and menacing and it's just so cute and fun.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:a nothing burger. I like that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. yeah, it's a nothing burger.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Let's see what else happens. Oh, so Madeline, the one that thought that Chucky was her baby. She suffocates the Chucky doll and we find out that she killed her baby. And they bury the Chucky doll. And this is the doll that turns into Ragamuffin, Chucky.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Ragamuffin. Chucky.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Emulating right now. Just a hot fucking mess. and then, okay, so much
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:this ragamuffin Chucky, he gets buried. Another third Chucky doll gets mailed to the institution by Andy. Buzz. Cut,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Buzz cut Chucky
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:buzz cut
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:he looks exactly like this kid I went to school with in the, in elementary school.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Oh my
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah. John Cleary, if you're watching this, you buddy. Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:That's wild. Yeah. Buzz cut Chucky is, has a very distinct. It's, this is where it's like, it's fun to see the different Chucky variations'cause that's something that they definitely explore later on in the series as well. But we start to see the different variants of Chucky. And it's fun. It's fun to see buzz cut, Chucky come to, Chucky ends up bringing him to life.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Of course, I feel like this is gonna be a very quick episode.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I think so too. Okay, so Buzz cut Chucky gets sent by Andy and then Andy is trying to get in. So he punches a security card to get into the institution and then Ragamuffin, Chucky kills Madeline in a really weird way. she,'cause she's down for it. It's like a Dr. Gian kind of thing where she is. She is signing the contract to die, and she gives Chucky permission to kill her. And so he like sticks his whole arm into her
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And down her throat. And what does he rip out? He like her tongue, her trachea, like
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:He ripped something out of her, but I don't remember that. It's like a specific thing that we can recognize.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It's just like a silhouette of just like
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:yeah.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It's really gross. The nurses find her,'cause she's on suicide watch so they check on her every like 15 minutes or so when they find her Ragamuffin, Chucky's arm is ripped off of his body and it's like down her throat and they're just like, oh, she must have committed suicide. And I'm like, in what world? In what world Is that the way that somebody, like how is that possible? I do you.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:No, first of all, who, who chooses that? And secondly, it's not possible. It's not I don't know. I guess anything is possible if you try hard enough, but my first thought would not be suicide. Of course, nobody else can get in or out of her room. How else did she die if not suicide, but still who? Who you know?
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:just it's wild. If I saw that, if I walked into the room of somebody who was supposed to be alone and unreachable and saw that my first thought wouldn't be suicide, my first thought would be, how did somebody else get into this room and kill
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah. I think that's what I would think as well. My follow up thought would be well, I'm leaving. This has been fun. Thanks. Thanks for the time.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah And this is what causes the other nurse, nurse Ashley to quit. She's like, fuck this doc. I'm
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Outta here. And then Dr. Foley, that fuck ass comes back to Hypnotize Nika again. But this time Chucky knocks Dr. Foley out again. And let's see. this is when he brings Buzz Chucky back to life. one thing that I really do like about the multiple Chuckies is constantly sing Brad Doris's praises on this show. But he was very intentional with how he voiced each one of those chuckies and hi, the newer Chuckies. He voiced at a little bit of a higher pitch to give them more of a youthful, young kind of vibe, which I think is just really smart as a voice actor. So fucking
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah he's a talented guy and it's cool because even though it's confusing in a sense to have these multiple chuckies. They're all very distinct. They all have their distinct looks and once you've seen them all, especially together, you can't get them confused. But it was confusing to begin with.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It's, yes, very much so. Okay, so fuck ass doctor gets Nika hypnotizes her again. He got her some red shoes.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:these red, red comes back.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:yep. Red wedge shoes.'Cause I guess he has like a foot fetish or something. He's trying to get a book deal off of her. It's like he's just a really disgusting fucking person. So when Chucky knocks him out again, it's wonderful. And it's like, yes, please again, This time, let's see. Oh, this is when Chucky lets us know what the fuck is going on. And it turns out he found a deviation of the bolus. Spell on voodoo for dummies.com.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:bringing that back.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And this is what allowed him to access multiple Chuckies. He also did this with Alice. We find out that he successfully possessed Alice like we thought. And she didn't die of a broken heart. She died because she got overpowered when he was trying to kill somebody. And then the multi chuckies kill Carlos
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Bye Carlos.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:great time with it. Yeah.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, he happy to see a gay character, but he didn't make it.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:He did not make it. And then I don't remember how this happens specifically, but basically the big moment of this movie, ends up possessing Nika. He puts a piece of himself into Nika and suddenly she can walk Power of voodoo.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:this is when she stands up.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And we finally get a satisfying ending to Dr. Foley's. Fuck Assery.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I just remember her smashing his face in with those red wedges.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:She stomps the fuck. Or I, I guess we'll say Chucky. Stomps the
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:out of this doctor's face.'cause it is no longer Nika. We are now Chucky and I just have to say. The way Fiona Dorf plays Nika possessed by Chucky.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:It's so good.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It's so
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. Yes.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:so attracted to her. It's, I don't, it's insane. I don't know how to explain it.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Her whole face changes. She's a, a chameleon, she just completely changes and the way she talks. It's just, it's so cool again, to bring up the fact that she's the daughter of Brad Dorf because she is imitating her father, playing this character that she basically grew up with, watching him play. So she's got a pretty good grasp on it, which is, she had a jump on the competition there, but it, the way that she changes her face and her movements and her voice, oh, she's just so good at it. She just absolutely convinces you 100% that she has become him.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes, it's, it is incredible and it's also really fun to see throughout the series. Like I feel like similar to how we said Don Mancini, just, I. Is like, how can I kill Devon SWA this season? I feel like he also goes into a season just like, how can I just like fuck with Fiona Doris's mind because like we have her playing Nika, we have her playing Nika possessed by Chucky. We have her playing, Nika. Pretending to be possessed by Chucky at
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And then we have her being possessed by Chucky, but trying to pretend that she's not possessed by Chuck. Like it, there's so much like she acting
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yep.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:and every single one of those performances has different flavor in different nuance it. And this is just the beginning. And again, it's hot. I,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:It is hot. It is insanely hot. This woman is basically pretending to be her father. And holy shit, is it sexy.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, and she has those red shoes. She has a red scarf now. It just, she has a new swag. I love Nika as a character, but Nika possessed by Chucky is probably like one of my
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh yeah it's gotta be like my second favorite with Jennifer Tilly being first and then Hot Mika right afterwards.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Hot Nika. Yes, So yeah, that happens. And all the while Andy gets locked into this institution'cause he was trying to help, but he ended up really doing
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, it was
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:at that
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:inefficient,
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:yeah.'cause by the time he was able to do anything, Nika was already possessed by Chucky and so he couldn't kill her.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:right?
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:So he's just kinda like stuck in limbo at this point. And then as Chucky Nika leaves, we run into multiple Malcolm and we find out that he was just pretending to be possessed by Chucky. He was never actually possessed by Chucky. he ends up getting killed by Chucky with a drill to the back of the head. It's quite
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, that's a good one.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Oh, also like nurse Ashley got killed off camera too. She got a drill to the stomach
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Oh yeah, we don't, we don't see it.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:we don't we see her body. That's it. And then Nika just walks on out and hops into a car with Jennifer Tilley. They make
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Uh, They make out
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Do they
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:not to Whew. Not to be that guy. Not to be that guy. But I'm gonna, when, nika walks over to Jennifer Tilly and I think, I don't even know if they say anything first, but they, they kiss and I was like, okay, if I were a less strong man than I am, I would rewind that and watch it again because that was hot.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:should
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:I really should have.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It's, it is like the two. I agree with you. The two hottest. People in this entire franchise and they're together And it's so good. All we need is Kyle to
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:That's what I was thinking. We just need Kyle, and when they kiss, they have that little exchange where chucky's like, this is different.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes it is. And Jennifer Tilly or Tiffany's, just like I can get
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah she's down with it.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And they drive off into the not sunset with Tiffany doll laughing in the The biggest cliffhanger of all of the Chucky movies. we go straight into the TV series after that. So it's, again, like I said earlier, it's like there's so many weaving storylines, like it's becoming a TV show. It felt like a season finale
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:does feel like a season finale. It doesn't feel, it didn't feel like a movie finale. It didn't feel like a final movie. Because there is that big cliffhanger and it all it, I don't know, it just didn't feel final to me. But it does feel like the episode that happens before the first episode of the season of season one, if that makes sense.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Exactly. Previously
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Exactly.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:like before I get even further, there's a post credit sequence in this one. Speaking of Kyle.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Speaking of Kyle, we just needed Kyle to make this even hotter. I,
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yep. And we get that post credit sequence where Kyle goes to Andy's place, and I guess she buys in on torturing Chucky
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:yeah, I mean. sh Everybody's got a lot of pent up rage at this guy.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:That's very true. I mean, He ruined their
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes. Yeah. I would be pretty pissed off too.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:But yeah that's curse of Chucky everybody. I know we didn't go super into detail on it, but that's because it's a hard to explain and walk through
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:You need to watch it. Mm. Just watch it and you'll be like, ah, yes, this is exactly what they're saying.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:I think, I wonder if at this point, Dawn was already planning for Chucky to be a TV series, and if this movie was to either A, be the start of that or B, set that Again, it doesn't feel like a movie It feels like a TV series.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah, it feels more like a, you're watching a long episode of a show.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah. So your, you've already explained, but I'm gonna have you do it again. Thoughts,
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:My thoughts. Oh I like it because I like following the Nika Pierce story and finding out what's happening with her. I found hers to be such a, cap captivating character that I'm glad to see the next step in her journey. That being said, overall, I don't particularly care for the movie. I think it's one of the weaker films in the series and with the third one is still my least favorite in the series. I think this one is probably my second to last favorite in the series. It just doesn't do it for me. And I don't know why. I don't know if there's something that makes me uncomfortable about the setting, whether it be the sterility and the fluorescent lights and everything, maybe that bothers me. Or just the idea of being in an insane asylum or if whatever kind of asylum they call it bothers me. But I just, I found it difficult to watch tonally, and then it was difficult to watch because it was confusing. And then I just found it dull.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yeah, it's, I'm, I don't think I dislike it as much as you
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:still, I mean, like I said, with Child's Play three, there's not a movie in this franchise that I don't like. I think for me, what it comes down to is there's lot of style and It's confusing. I think it's a bit too long. I think they could probably shave a little bit
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:of it. It feels very mid the institution thing. I'm with you there. I remember in the first episode that we, when we talked about child's play, one of the things that you said was scary for you was that idea of being locked
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Mm-hmm.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And. Not being listened to. And that idea was taken and a whole ass movie was built
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yes.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:And I think especially as queer people, it's very uncomfortable because of, the terrible conversation around and, it being A mental
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Right. Right.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:It is just one of those things where it's like, I'd rather not confront that right
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:It just, yeah, there's just something that makes me uncomfortable. And you, I can't believe that you remember that I said that in the first first episode, but yeah, something about, being locked away and nobody taking you seriously and you know that this thing is right, but everybody's telling you what's wrong. It just, I have a visceral reaction and maybe. That's a good thing. Maybe the movie was supposed to make me feel that, that makes it a good movie. I don't know, but there was just something about it that makes me uncomfortable.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:yes. And if you stack on just the corrupt fuck off, doctor on top of all of that, it is it's hard to get through.
squadcaster-6hbf_1_06-24-2025_160845:Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the stereotypes of the patients with their mental illnesses that are, very. One note, These are, they're people, they're not their illness. They're human beings, and they're treated more like their illness in the movie, which is just another like, hope Hollywood stops doing that, but I can't, I don't see it stopping anytime soon.
crybaby-_4_06-24-2025_160846:Yes. Actually, I feel like I wrote something in my notes like very similar to that. Let me see. Oh yeah, I just wrote down heightened character intros, do.dot mental institution archetypes. Yeah. It's all there's not much depth to it, you know, it's just kind of like,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:here's all the loonie and the loony bin. Like yeah. It's very shallow. Very much similar to like the, the voodoo situation and the wheelchair thing. There's just like, you know,
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Mm-hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:just miss the mark and it's, that's that's a big glaring one that's very difficult to overlook when the whole premise of the movie is based off of that, you know?
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Yeah.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Beautiful. So, I asked the audience for some input a little polley poll on the Instagram, and I asked what people's favorite Chucky variant was. And there were four options. We had, the og, Chucky Buzz Cut, Chucky, ragamuffin, Chucky, and then Nika possessed by Chucky. And last place was Buzz Cut Chucky, which I found surprising. I thought Buzz cut Chucky would've been a little bit higher up on that, I'm not gonna
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Did you really?
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah, because Buzz cut Chucky at least has like some physical personality to him. Something notable. Yeah, I guess I just, I expected classic Chucky to be in last place because classic Chucky is the Chucky that we all know and love.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Right.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:new Chucky. I thought newer Chuckies would've been gotten more attention, but I guess not. Because Buzz Cut Chucky came in last place with 7% of the votes, and then Ragamuffin, Chucky was second to last place with 22% of the votes. And then in second place was classic Chucky with 27% of the votes and then big time winner. No surprise. Nika Possessed by Chucky is our winner
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Absolutely 53% of the votes uhhuh. It's the truth.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:it is the truth.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:once it comes down to Nika being possessed, I, she takes it.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:There's no denying it. There's no denying at all. Cult of Chucky, everybody. There's some queerness to it. Nothing that hasn't really been touched on before on this franchise. So the only thing is, like I mentioned earlier, we have a gay character who's, it's not his old personality type to be gay, which was nice. But beyond that, it's, it's a movie set in a, an insane asylum very sterile. And you know, if anything, it's just a good. springboard to get into the Chucky TV series. And don't know about you Donnie. I highly recommend watching the TV series.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:It is so fucking good. It is so good. Please watch it. You'll be glad you did it
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:You will be glad you did. I'm so sad that it got canceled.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:after the fourth season or right before the fourth season was. I can't
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:the third season.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:after the third season.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:we had a cliffhanger too, which is ugh. It's wild. I, it's so good. The first season is like probably the most vanilla, where it's like the group of kids in like this suburban town or whatever, and then we end up in like a Catholic school and then somehow we end up in the White House, like
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:in the White House. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's super fun.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes. So with Cult Of Chucky, I forgot to ask, do you have there, I cannot ask about a Sav a favorite set piece'cause there's just, not really a definable set piece. So do you
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Mm-hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:kill?
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I do. hahahahaha doctor, and it, it's just, it's satisfying physically, viscerally, and emotionally.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes, I co-sign that. I will second that. Yes it is. Fuck that guy.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Yeah, exactly. Fuck that guy.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah, my mine is very much the same. I will give an honorable mention to Claire, the one who gets decapitated from the falling glass.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Even though we did
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:something like that in Bride of Chucky, there's just something about the way that that one was shot that I really am taken by. I thought it was kind of beautiful, especially with like a single tear running down her. Her face.'cause she's sedated when this happens. Everybody, she's watching it happen, but she can't move. so like watching that single tear fall down her eye'cause she knows what's gonna happen. It's sad. But Dr. Foley is number one for sure. fuck that guy.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh yeah. fuck that guy.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:And with that, that's also, we're wrapping up the whole Chucky franchise. Donnie, we're
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Wow. I can't believe it. Wow.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Oh my goodness. What a journey it's been.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Seriously.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Just off the top of my head, thinking about the franchise as a whole Let's I'm curious to know what your ranking is of all six of these movies, like which ones from your least favorite to your most favorite?
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Hmm. Let's see. I'm gonna indulge myself here. I'll say that my most favorite is bride of Chucky. Followed by seed of Chucky, followed by child's play one and two, followed by curse of Chucky
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Mm-hmm.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:And then now that I'm thinking about well I'm still gonna say, okay, I'll say cult of Chucky is next with the, with Child play three in last place. They, they switch back and forth. But the thing that keeps curs of Chucky a little bit ahead is Ika.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes, I'll agree with you there
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I am sorry, cult of Chucky.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Agreed. Yes. Let me think. Mine child's play three is in last place for me too. And then I would also have to agree that cult is the next one. And then probably curse. And then seed of chucky, and then my top three. Are gonna be in third place probably. Oh, it's so tough. It's so tough.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:It's hard.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:It's tough. I'll have to say child's play two is, gonna be in third place, then child's play one, and then bride of Chucky.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh, so bride of Chucky is,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:No, actually, you know what? I'm gonna take that back because I fucking hate the whole Jesse and Jade thing. I have
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I was gonna say, yeah.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Mm-hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:I'm gonna rewind or so my top three bride of Chucky's gonna have to be in third place because of Jesse and Jade. I can't stand those fuckers. As much
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:No, you don't like.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:I appreciate Bride of Chucky for everything it did for the franchise, love Jennifer Tilley. I love a lot of the style, but it just. I can't get over Jesse and Jade. So that's third place. And then second place. This might be controversial. Second place for me is gonna be the original child's play,
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Okay.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:is gonna be child's play too. I really like child's play too.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:great.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:I love the style. I love the introduction of Kyle.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:the final set piece. I think it's great. So my ranking of the child's play franchise.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:It is tough. It's tough and it just depends on the day too. Like some days I just really wanna watch Seed of Chucky, you know, and uh, it just depends on which,'cause they're all so different. The first three, then the next two, then the final two. Just what are you in the mood for that day? Do you want something that's dark and moody or do you want something that's campy and gay?
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Exactly. And that's what I love about the franchise though. It has everything. You can always visit it no matter what mood you're in. it's a buffet.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:It is a buffet.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah. Did you have any, this is gonna be tough, so Take all the time you want, but I'm just curious to know your top. Do you wanna do top five or top three kills of
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh, let's do, let's do top three because five is just too much
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:lot. Yeah. So gimme your top three kills of the entire franchise.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:of the entire franchise. Hold on. While I go through every death.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Just the Rolodex.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Yeah. In every movie.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Well, the good thing is it's, if it's memorable, then
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:right Right,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah. I'm thinking of mine too.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:okay.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Go for it.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Okay. I've got, I've got two. I really like Jennifer Tilley in the bathtub with the television because It's, just shot so cool. It's, she knocks it out of the park and it's just, can't be enough that it cracks me up. So I don't know that that's number one, but it's in my top three. I.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Okay.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I also really like John Water's death in seed of Chucky, where he gets melted, his face gets melted off by the chemicals that he uses to develop the film. Um, it's just, it's just sticky and gross and wet and I love it. And my third one. Oh God, I can't pick a third
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:You can't pick a third. Let's see. What about Grace Pool from the second one? You liked? Grace Pool. I remember you liked that one with the copy machine.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:a copy machine. That was clever. Yeah,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Mm-hmm.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:there's something that's just outside my, my brain where it was a really violent seat. Death with a knife.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:A really violent death with a knife.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I believe so, or I'm just making that up entirely. I did like the Grace Pool one though. That was great. Where she gets killed with the copy on the copy machine. like, I like the creative ones. I mean, I love the bloody ones, too, like obviously the mirror and the um. Motel that falls down on the swingers is really fun. I do like the bloody ones, but I like the ones that are just, that kind of make you chuckle.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:I agree with you there. I very similar. I would say my top three I'll go in reverse order, I think. So I think my third favorite, might be a basic response I. really care. Is Aunt Maggie from the first one? I just think that one. It's the Kill that kicked it all off. it's Marty Marino and I love her. It's just a hammer to the face and a fall to the, and I'm normally not the biggest fan of Falling Kills, but there's just something about that one that I enjoy. that's
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Mm-hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:favorite.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Cool.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:favorite is from child's play. Two, it's the factory worker with the eyes. It's just so
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh yeah.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes, it's, that one's always stuck with me. I fucking love that one. It's campy, it's gory, it's unforgettable. then my top one is Jennifer Tilly in the bathtub. I going I will say, going into rewatching this series with you, I would not have put that on my top. My top would have been. The factory worker with the eyeballs, but rewatching it. I fucking love that sequence so much I think it's iconic. Like you said, it's shot so beautifully. The bubbles everywhere. It's just fantastic. Definitely my
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:a great death Mm-hmm. It's really good. And it's not, it's weird because here we are talking about, you know, this slasher flick, if you will, and we just both picked a death that isn't gory.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah. No. Well, And it's so interesting though,'cause it, it can be not gory, but it can still be visceral
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Mm-hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:it's so it's very heightened. heightened.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Yeah, it's, it's a great death. Good job, Jennifer Ley.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes, Jennifer Tilley. Fantastic job. That's, that's pretty much it. Donnie what, what's, what are your parting thoughts on the Chucky franchise as a whole?
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:I think the Chuckie franchise as a whole is brilliant and has helped shape other franchises, other horror movies that have come out. I think that the series inspired other series or other movies to, to be what they are. And it just blows my mind that this little doll, you know, that would, this doll that murders people, which could be such a stupid idea, turned into, you know, all these movies and then a television series, and it's this cult classic and it's critically acclaimed and people love it.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yeah, I agree. I have so much love for this franchise for so many different reasons. I mean, Entertainment value alone, it is just, they're all really fun watches I just love, me, the biggest thing is, and this is why I chose to start. The podcast with this franchise specifically, it's just so unapologetically fucking queer, and I just, I appreciate and respect Don Mancini so much for not only creating this horror icon, but letting it go places that allowed. The queer audience to really connect with these characters and giving space for some queer representation, and it's just, it's so wonderful to see. And Chucky is definitely on my horror. Mount Rushmore, like he's
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh yeah.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:he is one of the few horror characters that I think has really gone beyond horror fans in terms of pop culture. I
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Mm-hmm.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:of people who don't know horror still no Chucky and there's no beating that there's no denying that there's no downplaying that. I think that's huge. And it's just, if you if you're listening and you haven't watched Child Play, first off, I'm shocked. I'm shocked that you
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Right,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:I'm shocked that you made it this far without actually watching it.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:right. Why are you doing this?
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:if you haven't watched it and we say this every episode I. We say this every single episode, Donnie, if you haven't watched it, fucking watch it. Binge watch it, the whole thing. Get your friends, get some drinks, take an edible. I don't care. Just watch these movies'cause they're so much fun. Especially if you're queer. Like I think you would really appreciate as a queer person watching this franchise,
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh yeah.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:once you get to Bride of Chucky, bride of Chucky, It, becomes so much, so much fun.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:there were, there was a lot in these films that were a little bit before their time, and that's because they were willing to take that chance when it comes to queerness, and that's something that. It means it meant a lot to me when I was watching him the first time as a young, queer person, and it still means a lot to me now.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes. Thank you Donnie. And I just wanna say, Donnie, thank you so much for being my first co-host for the franchise season. It's been so wonderful having you on the show. I am so grateful for you and I would love to have you back for another season. I know we talked about possibly doing Evil Dead, so I just, uh, keep an eye on your messages. I might hit you up sometime.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:That would be amazing. And thank you so much for having me. This has been so much fun. I can't believe it took a, a year to, to do this, but it's, it's always been a blast. So thank you so much for the invitation. I really, really have had a good time. I
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Of course. And you will be back,
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Oh yeah. I'll, I'll be back,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes. Um, so Donnie, for the final time on this season of the podcast, where can our listeners find you?
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:You can find me on Instagram at the Donnie, D-O-N-N-I-E, and then my last name, which is cdo, so C-I-A-N-C-I-O-T-T-O,
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes, and all you bitches out there, better follow Donnie please.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:That's right. Please, Please, Follow.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:Yes. And you can find me Cry Baby on the Instagram at Cryin Public. That's crying without the G in public. And then you can follow Horror Icon at Horror Icon Pod. That's W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on Instagram and the TikTok. Oh wow. That's it. I guess I don't have the whole like, join us next time for this one.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:No. No, that's it. That's all of it.
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:that's all of it. So I guess cutie patootie, Keep an eye out for the next season of franchise Fridays. We'll see what movie gets covered next.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:And
crybaby_6_06-24-2025_170824:yeah, it's, I have some ideas. So until then, cuties, don't be scared you're into that sort of thing.
squadcaster-6hbf_2_06-24-2025_170823:Bye.
