13. I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997)

Hot teens. Bad choices. A murder. A haircut. Welcome to I Know What You Did Last Summer—where guilt has greasy hair and secrets wear low cut tank tops.

This week, Crybaby and Richard sink their hooks into this sexy, ever so 90’s gloriously overdramatic 4th of July slasher that made us all a little horny and confused. We’re talking messy queer subtext, hot girl research sessions, and why Helen Shivers absolutely deserved better.

Is it a cautionary tale? A metaphor for queer shame? An elaborate PSA about not hitting people with your car? CryBaby and Richard try their best to answer these questions, and MORE! So come on in…the water’s fine. 

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It's the Fisherman's Special Day. Oh, it's the 4th of July everybody. It's his special day. Time to kill some teenagers. Ooh, yes.

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What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill

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anybody, but.

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Hi Cuties and welcome back to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. You know me, I'm crybaby the spooky slut from your wettest nightmare. And I'm Richard Brooklyn's Favorite plant daddy. Yeah, baby photosynthesize. This. I'm obsessed with that. That has to, you have to make that something. I have to do something with that. I know. I feel like we should put it on a shirt. I'm not even getting, we should, we should put that on a plant daddy empty shirt. I'm just like so impressed that I thought of that right now. Oh yeah. You formed a full sentence. So smart. Oh. Gosh. Well, welcome back everybody. This is your obligatory reminder to like, and subscribe and do all that stuff that I'm supposed to tell you to do to help us grow. Yes, yes. We like growing. We do. Oh, that's like a plant thing, dog. Oh, I feel like I'm losing brain cells. The more I spend hanging out with me, it tends to happen. Oh, it tends to happen. It's okay. I have too many. Oh, that sounded so, ah, oh no. okay. Welcome back, Richard. We just finished recording our little Get to Know Richard episode, and that energy has definitely carried over to this episode. It has episode. Yes. Yes it has. We're feeling chaotic. We're feeling fancy and fancy free. And ready to know what you did last summer. I'm ready. Yes. I'm ready. So I know what you did last summer again. Very, very excited to talk about this movie. Yeah. Yeah. We touched on a little bit about, this was one of your favorite movies, right? Yes. Growing up. Yes. Did you see this movie in theaters when you were growing up? I did. I, I think I saw it twice. Twice. Twice? Yeah. Okay. I think mostly'cause my parents didn't want me around the house anymore, so they just dropped me off at the mall. Listen, listen. Honestly, similar. I grew up in a mall. My mom worked at a mall. Really? Yeah. She ran a portrait studio and That's so cool. Yeah. And whenever my parents were divorced, whenever I would go see my father, he would just like drop me off at the mall while my mom was working. Mm. And I would just run around. I would go to Spencer's gifts. Oh, Spencer's is cool. Yeah. And I would look at all of the half naked birthday cards, like all of the men that were like half naked. Oh my God. They have so much sexual. Stuff there. I was more into like the trippy posters. Oh no. I was all about the, I was all about the soft core porn baby. Oh yeah, yeah. I remember that section. Yes. Yes. The, the novelty, like the gag stuff. Yeah, the gag of it all. The Dickson stuff. Yes. Anyway, so, so you saw this in theaters? I did. And you said that this was one of your favorite horror movies? Yes. We may have already said that. Yeah, I liked this one too. I don't think there's really much more to cover that we haven't already covered in the other episode. Yeah. I think we're ready. Yeah. If you want to know a little bit more about our experience with, I know What you did last summer prior to like actually talking about it. Talking about it. Watch the Meet Your Cohost episode. It gives no, it gives you a good preface of what's to come. Exactly. It lets you know all of the chaotic, frenetic, and you are the most chaotic guest I've had on the show. I mean, I've, I haven't, let's see. I've had Donnie, I've had Chris, I've had. I've had Donnie and Chris. I have, I am gonna be, I I have a couple of them. No, that's more than one. Yeah, it's more than one. We're at three right now. Yeah. See, you could start having, you could start like labeling people. Yeah. You were the most unhinged. Oh, thank you. Yeah. You're welcome. I love it. I fuck with it so much. Anyway. I know what you did last summer. That's why we're here. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I know what you did last summer. Before we get into it, I have my, there's not more questions are there? No. No there's not. Oh. Nothing that you have to think too hard about. I don't think. Maybe, I have cry. Babies breakdown. Yay. Yay. I have it written down everybody. I'm not off book. Forgive me. It's Pride Weekend. I was a busy woman, very busy. I would actually never memorize these anyway, before I would just read it off my computer. Yeah, you just, yeah. So here we go. Here we go. Happy 4th of July Cuties. Time to celebrate by punishing a group of cool, hot, sexy teens for their indiscretions. And by indiscretions I mean hitting someone with their car and dumping the body into the sea in the hopes of preserving an athletic scholarship, a pageant crown and a clean slate because these hot teens have their entire lives ahead of them. Right? Hmm. Wrong. One year after supposedly murdering some rando, our four friends find themselves haunted, not just by guilt and greasy depression hair, but by someone who knows exactly what they did last summer. This petty crocker ass hook. Having fisherman is hellbent on sending threatening notes. Lowkey exploring a career as a hairstylist and hah giving our leading lady the crabs literally. Friendships crack. Sarah Michelle Geller starts smoking. Oh, and instead of calling the cops like normal people, our group dives into a chaotic round of hot girl research to figure out exactly who they murdered and why someone waited a full year to come for them this aggressively. Who will live? Who will die? And why is this plot more tangled than the decorative fishing nets? This town seems obligated to display. Oh, the poor town. I know. Don't worry babes. Okay. Okay. Yeah, we're breaking it all down. Alright. We're gonna be screaming about Sarah Michelle Geller. Of course. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And we're gonna answer the real question. Was it guilt or was it gay? Not right now. Oh. Yeah. Not, do you want me to answer that? The be the betrayal after you're like, there's not more questions. Is there? That's cry Babies breakdown of I know. What did last summer. Good job. Um, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. Thank you. Thank you. I, like I said, I really like writing these. I like being sarcastic, everybody. It helps me manage my anger. Ah, this film, I have some information. You probably don't know any of this, so I'm really excited to share this with you. You mean I, I, it's a movie who directed the movie. Richard who directed this movie? Oh, if only, if only, if Only. No, Jim Gillespie. Jim. Jim Gillespie. Gillespie Gillespie. Yeah. I couldn't tell you what else he directed. He hasn't had like the most thriving career. Oh. But he did good with this movie. Okay. So Jim. Yeah. And apparently the cast really liked him. He loved a good impression on them. Really? Yeah. There's a clip out there of Jennifer Love Hewitt saying that he's the favorite director that she's ever worked with. So, good job, Jim. That's so nice. Yeah. You made one of Richard's favorite horror movies. Thank you. And Jennifer, love Hewitt. Loves you. Yeah. Okay, so I did not know that. Yes. No. Now we went over this last time Kevin Williamson wrote the script. Kevin Williamson wrote Scream. Another one of my favorites, another one of your favorites. And fun fact, we, I know it. You know Kevin Williamson is gay. You know that, right? You told me this. Yes, I did. You told me. I did not know that. Yes. So you told me that inherently makes this movie gay. It was written by a gay man. Gay, yes. But fun fact, he wrote it before he wrote Scream, but nobody wanted to pick it up. And then Scream did well because well before Scream, the Slasher wasn't cool. Slashers were kind of on their way out in like the late eighties and early nineties. Oh. Because they were so formulaic and they became cheesy, trashy, almost like, caricatures of themselves. Mm. So, so what was like the, the like last major slasher before like screaming? I know you did last summer. I mean, was it like Halloween? There was, oh God no. There was, Halloween was like one of the first ones. Oh. So you have like, you have like Halloween, you have. Friday the 13th, which is a rip off of Halloween. Even before Halloween, you had like black Christmas. Oh, okay. What else? Nightmare on Elm Street Child's play. Candyman. Hellraiser. Yes. I wouldn't say Hellraiser. Like Candyman and hell raise, I wouldn't necessarily say they're slashers, but they're adjacent to it. Yeah. Yeah. But you had so many just an abundance of slasher films. Mm. And even the, the big franchises, like Child's Play and Nightmare on Elma Street, they were becoming parodies of themselves. It just, it was cheesy. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, the magic was lost. Yeah. And then so Scream came along and inserted this meta self-awareness into the horror movie. It made horror cool again. We had this hot, sexy team. Yeah. The teens, it felt very rooted in reality and not just in some. You know, fantasy dream metropol. Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah. Because these killers could actually happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh. So that's kind of what breathed life into it. And so I think that's one of the reasons why I know what you did last summer wasn't picked up because nobody was really interested in that kind of of movie to go back to that genre. Yeah. And then scream made it sexy, and then they picked it up like immediately. They're just like, oh, this guy wrote scream. We want that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Yeah. But, and that explains why this one doesn't feel as, slashy and self-aware scream. This one feels more like a traditional onic kind of thing. There's more of a mystery element to it. It's more of a slower pace kind of thing. So it's really interesting to know that this was technically written first and PE a lot of people think that this is the first rip off of Scream. Mm. When I, I guess that's not true, everybody. Not technically. Yeah. No. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. This came first. This one is my favorite. This film is where Power Couple Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. Met. I knew that. Yes, I knew that. Yes, of course.'cause you're a messy bitch. I am. Yes. Our Teen Dreams, I love them so much. Everybody. They're, they're still together. Yes, they are. They're such a cute couple. Yes, they are. I fucking, I'm so happy that they found each other and that they're happy. Yeah. Yes. Two of the hottest teen heartthrobs from the nineties too. They are really hot. They really are. They still are really hot. I had the biggest crush on Freddie Prince Jr. Freddie Prince Jr. Was cute though. Yeah. I thought he, especially when she's the man. Now she's the man. What the fuck am I talking about? She Oh, oh, she's all that. She's all that. She's all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. The jock. The, yeah, and she's all that my, yeah. I wore Myra, Rachel Lee Cook. Rachel Lee Cook, another three name. Yes. Yeah. Everybody had three names in the nineties. Everybody, you know, I was so like into this world that I tried having three names too. What was it? I was like, my middle name is Tran, so it's not as like cool, because my full name would be Richard Tran fam. I, listen, listen, I think that's pretty nifty in the nineties. The unfortunate thing is, in the nineties you would've absolutely been a token. You would've walked at the restaurant. Yeah. A thousand percent, unfortunately. It was funny, but it wasnt fam fam it, it didn't have like the, the sex appeal of like Freddie Prince Jr. Or Rich. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was, that's fair. It was a little corny sounding. Which I kind of liked. Yeah. Well it was very me. Yeah. Which is corny. Which is corny. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with that now. I embrace that now. Yes. I love that. As you should. No, but what I'm saying is, and she's all that Yes. The, the ending when,'cause he had that dare when to make her over. Yeah. And like she didn't win or whatever, Uhhuh. And so he had to live up to it. And so He attends graduation Naked and there's the shot of just like them panning over and he's sitting there with the soccer ball. I wore my VHS out. I replayed that so much. I have a, I love thighs. I fucking love thighs. That's that. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just like, I was in heaven. So yeah, they met on this movie and they're in love. So, so cute. So congratulations. Yes. I know. Congratulations. I, if you guys watch this, Sarah Michelle Geller, Freddie Prince Jr. If you ever find this, I love you both so much. Thank you for being here on this planet. Thank you for this movie. Thank you for Scooby-Doo. Yes. Yes. And just thank you for making me believe in love again, because Thank you for slaying the vampires, Joe. Oh, that too. Yes, I want to do a Buffy episode so bad. I I probably will sound off on the comments. If you want a Buffy episode, it's gonna fucking explode. It's gonna fucking explode everybody. Jesus. Um, oh, so back to the book. Yeah. Yeah. You read the book, right? Yes, I did read the book. So the author of the book, Uhhuh hated this movie. Really? Absolutely. Because it probably wasn't accurate, right? Well, yeah, because, well, she, this is actually really sad. Her daughter was murdered. Yeah. T did someone hit her? Uh, it doesn't say, it just said that her youngest daughter was murdered in 1989. What? Yeah. And so she doesn't find a murder to be something like, oh my God. Uh, to enjoy from entertainment perspective.'cause the book, nobody dies in the book, everybody. No, no, no, no. Like the book is very much like, it's everyone survives. and I get where she's coming from. Oh my God. Like, I, I absolutely get it. If I wrote a book where nobody died. And then somebody I love got murdered her daughter. And then you took my book, my other child and made it into a story where people are getting murdered. I'd be pissed too. Oh my God. I wouldn't be happy about it. So I didn't know that. Mm-hmm. We're so insensitive. Yeah. I found that on IMDB. Mm. Oh, this one is pretty wide knowledge, but I'm curious to know if you know it. There's a very iconic scene in this movie. What are you waiting for? Yes, yes. That was directed by a kid. What? Yeah. Wait. Yeah. I thought you said that the director was Jim. Yeah. The whole Jim. Yes. Jim directed the whole movie. But there was apparently this contest where, a kid won the chance to direct a scene in the movie. What? Yeah. So that iconic, like, what are you waiting for A moment was from a child, and Jennifer Love Hewitt was not on board at first. She was like, really? That's what you're gonna have me do? She's like, this is what's gonna happen. What are you waiting for? Huh? And then she did it and she was like, yeah. And then everybody fucking loved it. Isn't that wild? What? Who knows what that kid's up to these days? Well, who is this kid? I don't know. I didn't go that far. I'm not gonna look into a child that directed a scene in a movie. How old was this kid? Oh, wait, we don't know. I don't know. Well, I just remember that scene. Everyone's tits looking exactly the same. Yeah. Just like, yeah, they're like all the same, like cup size. Yeah. And their cleavage is so delicately framed. What a pervert. That kid I fucking, I know. That's why he wanted the, that's why, that's why he, one of the overhead. I said, wait a minute. He gets a chance to direct a scene with two hotties. And he's like, O, overhead shot please. Low cut shirts. Thank you. Can you jump a little bit more? I wanna know who he is. That's true kid. If you're watching this, I'm curious. I'm curious. Yeah. What was your inspiration and do you get residuals from this? Was it, oh, that's a good que. I need to know the facts. Was this free labor? I know what you did. 15. How long? 15 summers ago. Mama. Math is not your strong suit. We're coming on almost 30 years. Oh my 30 It was, it came out in 1997. Oh, it did? We're in 2025. I know you did. 30 years, 28 years ago. 28 years ago. I know you did 28 summers ago. Free Child, labor Free. Oh, somebody call Scandal.. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody call OSHA right now. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And the last, uh, little tea pot bitching that I have to do, I'm very curious about this. Originally, Jennifer Love Hewitt, auditioned for the role of Helen and Sarah. Michelle Geller auditioned for the role of Julie, so they would have been, they auditioned, swapped. Ah, and I'm just very curious about how that, you know what, that happens to Sarah. Michelle Geller a lot. She auditions for one role and then she gets booked for another, and she auditions for, for Cordelia, and then she got Buffy, thank God. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I wonder what it is about Sarah Michelle Geller, where she, like g gets in the room and they're just like, no, but yes. I just, it's happening again. Begin the count. Everybody begin. It's happening. Begin the count. It's happening again. If this is your first time here, I am legitimately counting how many times Richard burps into my microphone. I'm curious. Part of me wants to see what that movie would be, and here's why. I love Sarah Michelle Geller, and she's great. Spoiler alert, I, we go th I've gone through this in Chucky. We're doing it again. If you're watching this, there's going to be spoilers. This movie is almost 30 years old. If you haven't seen it yet, this isn't a good replacement for watching the movie. We're gonna talk about it. You should watch the movie and then come back to us. Mm-hmm. So you have three seconds. Two, one. I hate that Sarah Michelle Geller died in this movie. It's the most upsetting thing for me. It's so sad and so I'm just like. How, not that I don't like Jennifer Love Hewitt, but it's like I would've much preferred her to die, and so we could keep Sarah Michelle Geller. Honestly, like after Sarah Michelle Geller dies. I don't watch the movie anymore. Yeah. I still have no idea who the killer is. I have no, I like serious. I blank out and I re and I rewatched it again in preparation for this. Yeah. You've watched it like three times now. Right? I've watched it three times, but right after that tire scene, I just start cleaning my kitchen again. Well, it's like, okay, there's the emotional element of it first off, but this is a convoluted ass storyline. Everybody, it doesn't make sense. It, I, it makes sense. It makes, it makes sense, but it's not the way, it's the, the way it's given to us is just you have to actually sit with it and you have to think about it. So I get it. That sounds super too much for me. That's too much for me. That's why I'm here. that's why I got you. Thank you. Of course, someone needs to be the brains of this situation. Yes. Yes, yes. I got you. Everybody. that's the tea that I got. Consider the pot bitch. Wow. I love how surprised you are by a lot of this. I was very surprised. Yeah. I, Hey, you learn something new every day. Somebody needs to, invent a machine where we could hop into other timelines. want to go see the version of the movie where Sarah Michelle Geller is Julie James and Jennifer. Love Hewitt is Helen Shivers. Speaking of which, let's go through our characters. Yes. So we have Julie James, who is played by Jennifer Love Hewitt. Mm-hmm. She's our final girl. She is. We know that because she's Burnett and she's smart. She goes to college, she does go to college. She goes to college and she doesn't do well. Spoiler alert. No, no, no. The trauma. Yes. And then we have her best friend, Helen Shivers, played by Sarah Michelle Geller. Yeah. let's be honest, Helen is the final girl that we deserved. Yes. A much more compelling character, in my opinion. She had beauty. She had a, a beautiful chase scene. She had a character arc. She did? Yeah, she did. And she drinks diet Coke out of a glass without ice, which is very European also. That glass is huge. Thank you. And she only pours this much into it. She pours the smallest amount into it. I'm like, girl, okay. I literally, I turned to my roommate and I'm just like, she's a sociopath. And my roommate was like, I do that. And I'm like, oh, what? Okay. Who, who drinks? So like that. Yeah. Okay. I need y'all to let me know. Okay. Who does drink soda like that? A warm can of diet Coke and a huge glass, but you only pour about an inch and you drink. I understand. Not drinking outta the can because when it like gets shipped and stuff, rat piss, whatever. Oh. Do you not think about that? I'm like, oh no. Oh no. I just ruined for shit. Oh my God. God, you. Oh, why would they do that? Why would the rats piss there? Because'cause they're rats. That's what they, they have, they they have to piss. Oh my God. Go piss girl. Okay. Alright. Not my, I'm learning so much right now. This is no longer a podcast. I'm currently tutoring Richard fam, Richard t fam, plant Daddy MD on how to survive in the real world. So someone needs to show me. Okay. So, yeah, but it's summer too, so it's hot. Yeah, it's warm soda. That's, anyway, apparently Helen is supposed to be vapid. She's not. She's deep, Sarah, she's deep, has too much depth and warmth. She's deep. She like, she takes up cigarette smoking. Yeah, she's that, she's, that she's troubled. She's supposed to be an actual, she moves to New York too. Yeah, there's the, there's the mo. I would like to see, the New York evidence. Yeah, me too. What was her life in New York? We'll never know. Alright. Alright. Barry. Barry, who is Helen's boyfriend. Yes. Ryan Philippi. He is toxic masculinity incarnate. That's all I have to say about that. Cute though. He is really cute. Definitely nineties heartthrob, very sexy scenes. uh, Ryan Philippine and Sarah Michelle Geller were both in Cruel Intentions, which is one of my favorite movies from the nineties. One of my favorite movies too. Very queer actually. Oh, very queer. Very sexy. Very sexy. Ryan Philippine's. Butt. I wore the VHL on that too. Oh, I wore that VHS out too. I paused it. Spank Bank Full. It's, it's, I I can, it's exactly in my brain. I can close my eyes and see Ryan Philippi getting outta the pool, drying off his hair butt just. For Reese Witherspoon. Yes. And that's how they met on that set, right? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That, see, that was, that was how you met your, like your, like your, that's how you met your babe. Yeah. Yeah. You have to do a teen movie. You have to do a fucked up teen movie with them. Yes. So we, yeah. See the, we've lost the way. Yeah. Fun fact. The character Barry was supposed to be like this big, like a really big guy, like a super big jock and, um. Continue. So he was supposed to be a really big jock, but, they cast Ryan Philippi because he was just really good at being aggressive. Like he made up for it. He he's very aggress aggressive. Yeah. He played it really well. He did, he played it very well. Next we have Ray played by Freddie Prince Jr. Mm-hmm. Uh, he's Julie's bf, he's our working class hero. He is. There is a class divide in this friend group. Everybody there is because Barry, Helen and, Julie Earl, well off. And Ray is not, no, Ray is working class. He is. He fishes. Yes, he is. He's pretty white bread, but he, it's fine.'cause he is handsome. Yeah, he's really, really cute. Yeah, he's, he's really cute. His name is Ray. Um, yes. And a couple of our other peripheral characters, we have Mac. Who is, the other fisherman, dude? Uh oh. Yes. Yes. It, yes. Yeah, yeah. Played by David Galecki, the guy from, big Bang Theory. Yes. Yes. Yeah. He like want, he want, he wants in with the group, right? He wants in with the group. And he has like a crush on someone. Doesn't he have a crush on Julie? I think he's just like, into Julie. He's also like, it's, it's, you know, back to that class divide. You have, you know, Ray, who is in with these cool kids and these rich kids. Mm-hmm. And then you have Max who is outside looking in. Mm. And so there's obviously a lot of tension there. Yeah. And a lot of, animosity. Oh, you never, I never saw it like that. Yeah. I think they talk about it directly in the script. Oh. Oh. He says something to Ray that's just like, oh, like you play the part of a rich kid. Well, or something like that. He did say that. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. So there's Max. We also have Elsa. Played by Bridget Wilson. Justice for Elsa. Ju Really, I thought. We're gonna talk about that. Yeah, we're gonna talk about her. I'm very excited about her. She's Helen's older sister and she is very bitchy. She's very bitchy. Very bitchy. And not having any of Helen's shenanigans. Nope. And then our final peripheral character, we have Missy played by Anne Hesh. Anne Hesh. She's the supposed creepy crone kind of character. Are we making a fear out of impoverished people? I don't know. That's what it appears. Creepy Crohn. Yeah. I mean, she's not really chron. But she's the oldest one, like of teens. She's the oldest one of the teens. Exactly. She was like in her thirties. Yeah. God forbid. Yes. So that's our list of characters. So let's just jump right on in. We're gonna talk about the movie. My goal, everybody, for this episode, is for Richard to finally know who did I know what you did last summer? The killer? Who done did the, did the I know what you did last. Who knows what they did last summer? Who knows? Who knows? Anyway, okay, so we open up, I like to call this, this first beat is very much like Gaslight Gate. Keep manslaughter. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have like your traditional, like hot, sexy teen openings, like the whole exposition dump, right? Mm-hmm. We have Helen Shivers in her pageants. Yes. And that's with that quote. The, what was that? The, oh, God. The question was, did I write down, how are you going to use your, like, your, ah, I have it written down. What will be your contribution to your community and the world at large? And she says something along the lines of after I graduate, I'm gonna move to New York and take on a career of being a serious, serious actress. Yes. It's not only a, any actress, a serious, serious actress, and she says, through art, I shall serve my country. It's so cunty you guys. Yay. It's so good. That's where, that's what, that's the moment where we're like, she needs to be the final girl. What young faggot would not say that though. Honestly, I would say that too. so yeah, it's like, it's the 4th of July. Everyone's partying. This is a small seaside town. Yeah. Yeah. Which I love as a setting. How do you feel about a seaside town? Town? I like a seaside town. It's very romantic. Yeah. It's a lot of shellfish. Mm-hmm. Uh, yes. Um, you know, like there's like harbors and stuff and Yeah. Boats. Boats. Lots of boats. Lots of boats. There's lots of boats in this movie. All there's like festivals, Uhhuh, and like lots of people. Yeah, yeah people. That's the first thing I think of when I think of Seaside Town. I'm just like, people, you know what, these seaside towns, they got people. They got people, and that's special. Special. No, I hear you. It's very like, it's very Americana. It is. Which, but it's like sleepy Americana. Yeah. You know what I mean? When you see that shot of. Ryan Philippy, like going to his gym. Mm-hmm. It's not like a fancy gym. It's like a Yeah, like a cab gym. It's like literally the punching bag is next to the lockers. Is next to the showers. Yep. Yeah, it's, yeah. I'm with you. Small town girls. It's very quaint. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very quaint setting, which is really cute. So yeah, like they're partying. Helen Shivers, she wins the crown of the Roker queen. She, yeah, she does our Roker queen for life. Do we know what she had to do though, to get that crown though? She had to wear a bathing suit and serve her country. Okay. But wasn't it, okay, so like, my, my thing is that, so if we, if we fast forward in the movie when she, when she has to go to the crowning again Yeah. There's a talent portion. Yeah. She probably acted. I wonder what scene. I don't know. It was made from something like a soap opera or something. Because Sarah Michelle Geller was in soap operas before she started doing this shit. She, yes. General Hospital, right? Was the general hospital? I know she was part of like a Burger King commercial. It was, it wasn't all my children. Anyway. We'll figure it out. Figure out. We'll figure it out. Figure out. I think she was acting okay. Okay. Because also part of me, well, no, I'm getting this mixed up with scary movie. whatever. Okay, so she wins. So she, she wins the crown, she wins the pageant. Yes. And then they're all like, they're partying. They go to the beach. Mm-hmm. They, they tell stories. They plan their futures. They have sex. They do. Yeah. And they get drunk, underage drinking. Underage drinking. Mm-hmm. See, that's, that's like, that's part of the, the horror formula. Yeah. You're doing naughty things. No. Oh, it's the, it's the, uh, what, what did you call it? Trope. Yes. That is a trope. You're learning. I learned, yes. Changing life. Changing lives. Vocab. Yes. So yes. That is a trope. That is a trope. That is a trope. Yeah. but Ray drives home. It's Barry's car Ryan. It's Ryan Philippi's car. But Freddie Prince is driving because he's sober. Sober. Mm-hmm. But they still get into a car accident because Barry's being a fuck ass, sticking his head outta that fucking window and spilling beer everywhere. Yeah. So they hit somebody. And this is one of those things where I cannot get it out of my mind because of scary movie where Julie finds the boot in the street because they're like, what do we hit? What do we hit? And Julie finds the boot, and I just can't help but think of Scary Movie where she's like, oh my God, we hit a boot. It's like, I expect Jennifer Love Hewitt to say that. And it's, but really it was Shannon Elizabeth when she, have you seen Scary movie? I haven't. Oh gosh. I know. Uh, well, Shannon Elizabeth's character in scary movies named Buffy. Oh. It's really cheeky. Is it on Netflix? It's very problematic. I don't know. I don't know. It's a very problematic movie. It was problematic then. It's problematic now, but it's like, even better. It's a filthy watch. Yeah. But they find out they hit somebody and because they all have their lives ahead of them, they decide to just, well, except for Julie, Julie's like, no, we need to call the police. But everyone's just like, no, dump the body. Mm-hmm. And they all, it's really interesting'cause they all have different, reactions to it. Like Sarah Michelle Geller's. Just like, let's, she wanted to forget about it. She's like, let's pretend this never, this never happened. This never happened, never happened. This never happened. She, let's act Exactly. Exactly. She was, she was using her talent Yes. Help serve her country. Serving the country. Yeah. They all have a different reaction. Mm-hmm. So what, what was Ray's though? Ray wanted. Ray was just more so He was like shook. He was shook. But Ray was just kind of like, think about how this is going to look. Mm. Like Ray is just like, this is going to, this isn't gonna look good. No one's gonna believe that was driving the car. That's true.'cause he, he would be like the, oh, this was part of the discussion. They were like, but if we do turn ourselves in, who's gonna get the blame? Exactly. And they were just like, they were always gonna think it's Barry. Mm-hmm. Barry had a scholarship. Like they were all like thinking very selfishly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, under, I get it. But it's like you hit somebody with your car broke. Yeah. Um, max also drives by the, the gel, the jealous guy. Yes. Yes he does. Yeah. So they have like a potential witness and all this stuff, but they end up deciding to dump the body. He fucking snatches that crown off of Sarah Michelle Geller's head though my crown. And he falls into the ocean or wherever they dump his ass. And then Ryan Philippe has to go down and get it. And the motherfucker's still alive, but they left him still down there. I'm like, you could have saved him still. I'm like, he's still alive at that point. You're dumb. Like, I mean, I guess it's dumb in general, but it's like, if, if he's still alive, I mean, I guess that is an awkward conversation. Like he wakes up and you're all standing over him about to dump him into the ocean. Just be like, oh, funny seeing you here. Uh, so yeah. Someone else hit you. Yeah. but no, they dump his ass and then they make a pact to never talk about it ever again. They, they swear by it. Yeah. Ryan fil literally pushing, like he chokes her. The toxic masculinity of this motherfucker. He literally grabs her by the throat, pushes her against the car and says, you never talk about this ever again. Yeah. Like to your grave. To your grave. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, yes, Barry's my grave. She's like, fuck Barry. Yeah. So needless to say, this just fucks up their whole friendship dynamic. Mm-hmm. Because the next time we see them is one year later, they're different. I laughed so fucking hard. I'm gonna edit the clip in here if I can. The first time we see Julie, they do major storytelling with her hair throughout this movie because her hair is so like buoyant and full. In the first part of the movie, the first thing we see is like the back of her head, and she turns around and the way she turns around, she's just like, looks dead. She looks so freaking dead. Her hair is so greasy, stringy, mousy. Mm-hmm. Whoever was the makeup designer on this movie, props to you, mama. Props to you because that hair story you told. So good. So many hair stories. So many hair stories. So many hair It was so good. Like Julia's depressed. She's not doing good in school. Her mom thinks she's on drugs. Mm-hmm. Helen's tripped to her. She doesn't even like her cod. Do you remember the mom search? Oh yeah. How do you like your cod sweetie? Just Oh, that is the specialty of the town. Ah, yes. we finally, we get our first note. Everybody, the titular. I know what we did last summer note. Do you know what titular means? No. Of the title? Wait, what it's like of the title. So if like the titular, like the, the movie is called I Know What You Did Last Summer. Yes. So the titular note says, I know what we did last summer. Oh, okay. Much like with, Candyman. Right. The movie's called Candyman the character Candyman is the titular Candyman. Ah. We're learning here. Everybody. So it's like this, just like a reference to the title. Yeah. It's like the, basically the reason why the movie's titled that. Oh yeah. Titular tit has the, that has the title. Title, yeah. You're gonna have so many brain cells when we're done, everybody. I'm gonna be like a screenwriter. You know what the finale of this season, I'm gonna be a screenwriter. I'm a screenwriter. so yeah, we get that note. The titular, I know we did last summer note Uhhuh. And, immediately Julie starts freaking out she reaches out, she summons the girls, she summons the girls. We, this is where we find out that Helen's acting career didn't work out in New York. Yeah. She goes, she goes to, shivers. Mm-hmm. Which is the, the family like antique store or something. Yeah. It's like a department store. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A department store. Quotes around that one. She sees Elsa. Okay. Elsa, absolutely love. Tell me. Because number one, she's a bitch. Very. But she honestly is the one who has the most reality of things. You think so? I think so. Like, she's not having the shit anymore. She's like, Helen, you're a spoiled brat. That's true. You know what I mean? Helen probably got a lot of attention'cause she was the pretty one. She was the pretty one. Yeah. I get that. I don't think maybe before the events of this movie, she was a spoiled brat. I don't think the Helen Shivers that we spend our time with in this movie is a spoiled bra. No, no, no. She's been through things. No, she's been through things. Yeah, because. She's working the fragrance counter. Everybody. She's working that fragrance. She's a working girl now. Yes. Um, because Julie is trying to get Helen's New York number. Mm-hmm. And Elsa's just like you can ask her, she's standing about 10 feet to your left. It's like, bitch, she's so me. She's love her. My only thing is, I don't know if I buy that they're sisters. I get that siblings rag on each other. But it, this feels way too mean-spirited to be a sister. Yeah. There's no, there is no ever of a moment of, uh, affection. No. Because even if you're like rude to your, you still help her out. Exactly. But she, which she definitely did not. Yeah. She can't stand this bitch. Elsa fucking hates Helen. Written all over her face. But yeah, We get Helen, we get Barry Barry's like, you two look like shit. Ran over twice. And I'm like, I'm like, Julie maybe, but Sarah Michelle Geller looks great. What are you talking about? She has like big hair with her cigarette. Cigarette. Yes. I'm shook that Sarah and Michelle Geller smoked in this movie. Was it a real cigarette? I don't know if it was a real cigarette, but just the image. Maybe it's because I'm more aware of intention of smoking in movies. Mm. And like some people just don't want that for their image. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it, it was jarring for me. I'm like, Buffy is smoking bad girl. What? Yeah. I feel like Sarah Michelle Galler would do like those acting chances though. Yeah. She's like, you know, she's like a, she's a committed woman. She's been well, she's like been acting her whole life. Yeah. She's an artist. She is an artist. Yeah. So they have that whole conversation about. The note and Barry's like, oh, like this note's dumb, doesn't mean anything. Oh yeah. And we also find out Barry and Helen broke up. Yes. They took, and then Ray and Julie broke up. Helen and Julie are no longer best friends. They don't talk. I don't think Ray and Barry were even friends. Oh no. They weren't even friends again with then. Don't even worry about that. But yeah, they're all estranged from each other and I think this is the first time they've really seen each other since that incident. And they all think that Max is the one that wrote the note. Yes.'Cause he was like the witness. Yes. So Barry uses his toxic masculinity, try to beat it out of him, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like the crab shack or something? The crab shack. Yeah. Because I mean, he, uh, he's a working girl. He's a work, yeah. Yeah. He's a working girl. Yeah. But I love how when he's walking out, he's like, he won't be bothering us anymore. And the girls are like, what'd you do? And he is like, he won't be bothering us anymore. It's like, you literally like assaulted this man. Ugh, Barry. Fucking Barry. Yeah. Barry. Calm down. Yeah. With your daddy's money. I know. Fucking rich ass Barry. But that's when our first kill happens. That's right. Yeah. Tell us about that kill. Oh, so like, after Barry, like Shoves Max. There's a hook on one of the ice cubes. And then the next shot, the hook is gone. Gee, gasp. Where'd the hook go? And then through the crab oil, through the, through the steam, we see the hood killer. The slicker. The slicker. And he has the hook and goes Max drags him into the, to the crab. Yeah, the crab soup. The hook right through the jaw. Yeah. That stuck with me when I was a kid. Ooh. Yeah. That was like, that was a, that was a gory kill. It was, it's just, that's like a jump scare for me. That is, yeah. It's, it's,, that was added after the film had already wrapped. Really? Yeah. Another fun fact, that scene, they needed that scene though. They did. Exactly. They needed that because they needed us to feel that danger earlier on in the movie. Mm-hmm. Originally the film was very tame with kills. Like, it wasn't that gory, there wasn't that much blood. But after doing some test audiences and stuff, they, they were like, no, we need to kill. Yeah. They ne they needed some gore. Yeah. Thank God they did. Because this is a, it, it's a great kill. It's a great death scene. It's a good moment. Yeah. With the drag and everything and all of like the, the ice and the steam. Mm-hmm. And the, it's very, the elements visceral the elements. It's a very visceral scene. Yeah. And it, you can smell that room. You can smell that room. You can, yeah, you could smell it. It's stanks. Oh, and they also bump into Ray. Ray is currently a fisherman. Mm-hmm. Every time Julie has a conversation with Ray in this movie, she ends it by running away from him. Did you notice that? Not that you mention it. He does or she does. She does, yeah. She just like runs on off. Oh. But one of my favorite memes out there is from this scene. Which one? It's just like, it's a picture of Jennifer Love Hewitt with her head tilted a little to the side, and she looks kind of confused, and then the subtitle from the movie says, horns Blowing. You've never seen that? No. I'm gonna send it to you after we're done. It's so fucking funny. What does that mean? It's just like stupid. I don't know what it means to me. To me, like just the look on her face is one of utter confusion. It's like the lights are on, but no one's home. Oh, and then the subtitle of Horns Blowing. It's just like that's what's happening in her head. That's how I read it. I'm curious to know what anybody else thinks about that meme. It's really funny though. Yeah. I'll take a look. And then we go to the gym with Barry. Okay. So when, when we were talking about the, the queer intersection of this movie, I was like, you know what I'm gonna be, tell me I'm gonna be crybaby to it. Tell me I'm gonna do my research. Uhhuh. So I was like watching the movie. I'm like, I don't, I don't see anything gay. But then. This locker room scene happens and I went, oh, mm-hmm. This is gay. It literally looks like a Sean Cody set. It does. It really does. Skinny little twink boy, with a, a strategically low towel. Of course. Like yeah. It was very homoerotic and the, the, they linger on him in the shower for a while, it's very voyeuristic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, it was very, very homosexual. Yeah. I'm very glad you brought that up'cause I'm very curious to know out there, everyone out there in Babeland, how many of you. When you were kids saw this movie and this was one of your sexual awakenings.'cause for me it was, it was very sexy. It was very sexy. Because like scream didn't do that? No, no. There was no like, Ooh, look at this physique, look at this male bod. No, nothing like that. Nothing. Yeah. So this was, I wonder if Kevin Williams had had anything to do with that. He was like, I didn't get to do, wait, we're casting Ryan Philippi. Hold on. Maybe let me rewrite this here real quick. Maybe it's, maybe it's because he didn't get to do it for Scream, maybe. He was like, no, I need to have a hot, they're like, no, no, no. We gotta have the girls. We have the girls. No, I need to objectify man. Uh, he's like, oh, I'm gonna have it now. I'm gonna cast these two. Mm-hmm. And I'm gonna have them in tight little tank tops. And let's be honest how, I hate saying this, but how unfortunately true for a queer fantasy to have that kind of scene in set up with one of the most like toxically straight men you could think of like it, I hate to say it, so many queer. Men just love that straight fantasy. And I just like that voyeurism in this Yeah, yeah. You know, it's, well, it's almost like we're filthy. I kinda like it because it's like we're objectifying it. I love objectifying, you know what I mean? It's like we're not saying that they're smart or we're not like, you're literally me. You're dumb and you're hot. Exactly. Yeah. That's, that's all you are. That's all you are. That's all you are. He's like walking around. He gets that little picture or something that says, I still know. Oh yeah, he does in his locker. Right. Oh, and his jacket's missing too. His jacket. Oh, the jacket. The jacket. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then this agro ass fucking fisherman hits him with a car. Yeah. And so this is, this is weird to me, right? Oh, I think we're on the same page here. That you feel like that he should have been killed. He should have been killed right there. Yeah. But, but he lets it linger the way it transitions from Barry begging for his life to the next scene, it literally just fades to black. Nothing happens. And it's, I feel like it's the only transition in the movie that is like that. Yeah. Because it's like a very, like the next, next, next time on wings. Like Yeah. It's just, it was, I didn't like that. Yeah, I didn't like that. If you're not gonna kill him in this scene, have a good reason for him to have survived. Yeah. Apart from, I guess you just let me live. It was because that's literally what Barry says. That's literally, yeah. Yeah. Is like, I guess you just wanted me to live. Although the shot was really horrifying though.'cause they did, like, from Barry's perspective. Oh yeah, It was very POV horror, which is cool. Yeah. Yeah. But should have killed, they should have died. Should've died. I feel like they just didn't know how to end the scene. So they're like, ah, blackout. They're like, we actually need him fade the black. So this is when we start to realize, okay, somebody's fucking with them. Yeah. Yeah. And it's getting worse and worse and worse.'cause they're with Barry in the hospital, which means it's, they're forced to be together again. Oh no. they're all trying to figure out who this is and Barry thinks it's Ray. Oh yeah, absolutely. But then Sarah, Michelle Geller and Julie get into hot girl research mode. Yeah, the library or something. There's always some hot girl research. They go onto the internet, they pull up a bunch of articles. They pulled the articles. Yes. Two years ago, guess what? Some guy named David Egan got into a drunken car accident and killed his fiance. Oh, do you remember that? There weren't in a library actually. You see a book in your brain turns off. Off. Yeah. No. So they find out like,'cause. As far as they know. Oh yes. The person they killed is David Egan. Okay. Somebody that was found dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, not too long after they dumped the body. And so they, through the internet search, they realized that David Egan had a year prior to that, killed his fiance in a drunk driving accident. Oh. So they're kind of starting to uncover some things, and this is when they find out that he survived by his mother and his sister. And so they drive up to, inland somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a little lesbian road trip. They do. Listen, I know that they're not queer, but there is some, the discussions they have in that car. Yeah. Very lesbian. There's something very emotionally charged about their relationship. When you think about how Helen's, facade of just like being perfect and beautiful, that all kind of starts to crumble. And then you have Julie who is kind of this moral high ground kind of girl and how those can both be like responses to, a failed queer relationship. Mm. You know, like one is like, oh, hol than now the other one lets themselves go. Like all that stuff. Yeah. It is very like that conversation that they have where they're like, Sarah Michelle Geller's crying. So compelling Oh, so compelling. It does feel like there's, there's an emotional charge to it. There is definitely. And it may not be the most queer coding, but I do think it shows like a, a, a deep, like, like relationship. Yeah. Like it's, it's, there's emotions tied to it. Yeah. And they go on this adventure together to Anne Hess. Mm-hmm. Who, who is lesbian. Yeah. So there's also that, And I will, I I always get so uncomfortable when people do this in movies. It's probably'cause I will never do this. Well, actually I can't say never. I, I might Right. But I'm always just like, mama, you are pretending to be somebody else. And you go into somebody else's home. Oh yeah. And invading their privacy. You're lying about your car breaking down when it's literally parked in the driveway. They, what the fuck are you doing? They are liars. They are, they could have just been honest right away. I'll just be like, oh, we think we killed your brother. Yeah. Like, so sorry. Wait, we, you have not credits. So yeah, they pretend to, they assume aliases. They're Jody and Angela. I just wanna know like what in the nineties, Jodi and Angela, Jodi and Angela. I don't know like the, if those are like common names from back then, I mean Angela I could see, but Jodi, Yes. Jody. Who's Jody and who's Angela? Lemme ask. Okay. Jody is Julie. Oh, nope. Helen. Helen was Jody Joe. Oh, and then, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. How interesting. Yeah. Well, it's because, uh, fucking Julie starts at first and she's like, Jodi, can you call aaa da da da? And she's just like, sure thing, Angela. It's funny, but this whole scene is like, there's so many red herrings in this fishing town. There are.'cause like, we see s slickers hung up and like, they're trying to make Jodi look like Jo Jodi. Jodi and h they're trying to make M Hayes, Missy, Missy, Missy. They're trying to make her look suss. this whole thing, it kind of, what drives me crazy a little bit about this is, um, and you see this a lot in, in horror. Not so much nowadays where the impoverished are often times vilified. Mm-hmm. And the aesthetic of poverty is what horror movies use as an indicator of this person is evil. Yeah. You know, whether it be from desperation or whatever the case may be. And I'm not with that. No. You know, uh, she, this is just a woman who's trying to live her life. Yeah. Her brother died, her mother's in assisted living. She's living by herself trying to make this shit work. Yeah. Killing and plucking animals all by herself. Yeah. But the thing is, is that that's how you kill a chicken. Yeah. She's not doing anything different. Yeah. It's just like, ugh. It's just, it's annoying. Yeah. So they're, they're like trying to build like, oh, is Missy the one, if she's the weirdo, she's the one. Does Missy's different? Does Missy know what she did last summer? they find out that somebody named Billy Blue came to visit her. Yes. That's such a stupid plot point. I don't even know if I wanna cover it, but they're just like, oh, who's Billy Blue? So they think Billy Blue is the killer, possibly. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. And they leave and surprise, surprise their car's working again. And hand has sees that it's so stupid. Why would you say that your car is broken down when you're literally parked in front of the house? Mm-hmm. Mama come up with a better lie. Come on, Jody. Come on, Jody. Get your shit together. Jody. On Jodi. Oh, and here's another thing, and she's not wrong. So we talked about the conversation with Sarah Michelle Geller and, and, Jennifer Love Hewitt in the car. Yes. Yes. Which is like, I miss you. It's a very compelling scene. We don't talk. Yeah, we don't talk anymore. Uh, inside note, Julia is cold as fuck here. Yeah, it pisses me off. She's so cold. But, um, Sarah Michelle Geller says, and it sounds wrong, but it's true, she's like, maybe he wanted to die. Oh, because everybody Yeah, she does say that. Yeah. Because everybody, like, he's his, he killed his fiance and think, why was he out there anyways, he, it's like an, an abandoned highway himself. Yeah. And in the opening credits, he was like dangling his legs. That's right. He was just hanging out on the clifftop. It was a little pendant. So it's like, I think it's a legitimate question, and it may be insensitive, but it's true. It's true. Like, what if he did wanna die? That's a deep question. Yeah. Hard hitting journalism. Uh, anyway, so Julius cold as fuck, i'm gonna say it over and over again. Helen Shivers is the final girl we should have had in this movie. She should have been. So she goes home, she's drinking her diet Coke with a very absent father. Yeah. Her father's like watching what sports are. Yeah. None of them. None of them notice that. Just a grown ass man and a slicker just walks through, walks it the front door, walks through the front door and just goes right upstairs. And she's just enjoying her little diet. Coke. Comb her hair. Comb her hair too. And El walks in like, oh, you and your hair. That and that right there. I'm, I'm just like, ah, foreshadowing. But also could, it could have that been a moment where the, the director was trying to show that maybe it's Elsa's the killer.'cause she walks in unnoticed. I never thought of Elsa. And then talks about the hair. Okay. That's true. I'm a smart one. Look at you. I never would've thought about that. You're welcome. Look at that. I'm still wrong though. She's not the killer. She's not, she's not Elsa. Poor Elsa. Oh, I did feel bad for Elsa when I was younger. I felt bad for Elsa. I, I still kind of feel bad for her. I get it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like she deserved to die. No, she's just a bitch. Being a bitch. She's a bitch. Being a bitch does not a deserve to die. Make no. If that's a sentence. Yeah. So you and your hair, and she goes to sleep. Sanel, Geller goes to sleep. And then what happens next? Oh, tell us, tell the children feed. She wakes up the next morning. Mm-hmm. She's like, Ugh, ugh, ugh. She finds out that her hair has been cut. She goes to her vanity mirror. Ah, smash, smash. Smash. Yeah. She freaks the fuck out, out and smashes the mirror. And so she ends up calling, she calls the girls, she gathers the girls, send the girls., You have to love a friend group that only comes together when tragedy strikes. You know, I love a friend group. I need a group of friends that are only gonna come through when like I'm going through it. I wanna be that bitch that when I call somebody, they're like, what now? Actually, straight to voicemail now actually, this could have been a text. Don't call me. Yes. Well, what's one of the things that I love though is like when we see her in person, she's wearing this fuck ass hat. Oh, the cap? Yeah. Like the, the village people cop hat or something. She looks so funny. And then this is where, this is where Julie gets craps. Yes, yes, yes, yes, cause we hear that little Yeah. She's, she's driving to, to Helen's h House. Mm-hmm. And there's like mm-hmm. Little tops in the trunk. And she goes to check. I like, what is that? And then it's fucking max. The, the, the, the fisher guy. The guy, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just chilling. Dead in the trunk with a bunch of crabs. Crabs wearing Barry's jacket. Yes. That's a good, I forgot about that. Yes. Wearing Barry's jacket. And so Julie goes to run and grab Helen and Barry, and in record time, the killer fucking manages to get this body out of the trunk and make it super duper clean. Super duper clean. Squeaky clean. But this is my question though, because of that. Was it actually just Julie's like craziness? No, I think he just had the tarp. You, oh, I thought about this. I, I just think it was a tarp. I think he had the tarp in the trunk. Oh. And then he put the body in, the crabs in there. There, I just scooped it all up. Hmm. Easy cleanup. Hmm. Yeah, that's my thought. But anyway, the body's gone. Yeah. And so Barry believes her. This is when we get our iconic What are you waiting for? Yeah. Titties bouncing just in the middle of the street. Street. Whatcha waiting for? Huh? Yes, I'm right here. It's very cheesy, but it's so good for this movie. It's like, it's the iconic scene. It is. Everyone knows it's be seen. Everybody knows this. Everyone knows the most referenced, the most parody, like everyone knows it. Then after this Ray comes in and Ray's just like, guys, guys, he's after me too. He's after me too. I got a note and they're just like, you got a note, you got a note? I get hit with a car. Helen gets her hair chopped off, off. Julie gets a body in the trunk and you get a note. Motherfucker. Do you think the fishermen was trying to set Ray up to be Oh yeah. Definitely. They want, they wanted the, the fishermen wanted the, the, the girls to turn on each other. Of course. Well, yeah, because then they, he would, he would not be, they wouldn't be on his, on his trail. Yeah. Well, also I just think, again, to go back to that whole my thesis on, you know, poverty being used as a means to justify people being evil. Mm. The fisherman, funnily enough, picks the poor friend out of the group to be the target. To have nothing. To be the one, yeah. Yeah. So it's like if he's really trying to make him to be the red hering mm-hmm. Because all these, these three are well off, and then he's the other. So, yeah. But I don't know, does the fishermen know that much about these kids? Do you think he did research before he came then? I mean, he had a whole summer. He had a whole year. Whole year. he had a whole fall, winter, and spring. Uh, that's like 10 months. So yeah, he probably did his research, but he, he went to the library. He went to the library. He got the slides. He did his studies. Yeah. But they all think it's Ray. They do. I'm pretty sure Julie runs away from this conversation again. Oh, Barry immediately punches Ray. That's right. I forgot about that. Barry walks into conversations with his fists. Everybody he needs punch first. Ask question second. Yeah. I'm glad that Sarah, Michelle Geller got out of that relationship. Yeah. I can't imagine where it could have gone. I mean, she would've turned into Buffy and was like, no more. Yeah. Beat the shit outta, I think like watching the whole, the whole movie. I was just waiting for Sarah Michelle Geller to turn into Buffy. part of my brain just like could not accept her being a victim. Same thing with Scream two. I just immediately, I'm just like, she's too badass Yeah. It's hard to watch Sarah Michelle Geller die in a movie because I just don't believe it. No, she's too, I don't too much of a strong character. She's too capable. She's too, yeah. Like even when she was in Scooby-Doo, she was doing like kung fu and shit. Yeah. Yeah. She was. Yeah. Ugh. I love her. Anyway, they think it's Ray. Yeah. Ray's like, I got a note, whatever. He gets punched. Yeah. Julie decides to go back up to Missy's because she thinks that it's Billy Blue that's doing the killing. Mm-hmm. Uh, meanwhile. It's the Fisherman's Special Day. Oh, it's the 4th of July everybody. It's his special day. Time to kill some teenagers. Ooh, yes. That's literally what I wrote in all casts is his special day. He's been, that's he's been waiting all year for this. He has been, he has been. He's been a good boy. And so what the plan is, Julie's gonna go to Missy again to find out more about whatever, and then Helen Shivers, Sarah Michelle Geller, she has to be in the parade. It's her duty, it's her duty's her duty. She, even if she has to work, Yeah. She, she has to be there. She has to be on the float. She has to be on stage the whole time during the talent show. And her fuck ass ex-boyfriend is just camping out on the front of the float as it's driving down. Yeah. He's like the watch out. Yeah. And they're all looking for this fisherman. But guess what, it's a fishing town. Everybody's fucking wearing a slicker. Mm. Every single person. Not every single person, but so many people are wearing s slickers. Yeah. It's like the uniform, like in that town. It's almost like they were trying to do the thing that they did and scream with the boots. You know how everyone had those boots that the killers wore? Oh yeah. Yeah. They could do that. You know, where they're just like, Ooh, misdirection. Ooh, who could it be? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but they, instead of boots, it's a whole ass ensemble. Slicker in a hat. Everybody gets their slicker from the same store. It's probably from the department store, shivers. That might be it actually. I think. I think so. You need to see. They should have looked at the receipts. Who bought the slicker? I mean, that's like half of the town. And if he was a fisherman before all this went down, he probably got a long time ago. Yeah. Good try though. Dammit. That was a good try. I really tried to be a detective here. Thank you Nancy. Drew. It's all good. So Julie is at Missy's and they ma try to make it look more dangerous than it was before with like some, because like it was like a cleaver or something. Animals, like dead animals and stuff. She's providing for herself. Of course she's gonna have like a fucking Turkey hanging there. Yeah. Why not? but I can't remember what the point of this scene is though. Oh, this is where, okay, here's what happens. Anne Hedge says that David killed himself. Yes. Yes. Because that's what she believes because he left a note. He left a note. A note because I got a note. It's a note in that same fuck ass penmanship. It's actually a lovely penmanship. It's beautiful. Penman. The fisherman has great penmanship. I'm not gonna lie. It's, it's very easy to read, very crisp, very satisfying. I mean, he's been practicing all year. He's been practicing all year, it's just like, I'll never forget last summer. Mm. Or something like that. Yeah. And then Julie's just like, oh, this isn't a suicide note. This is a threat. And so Julie pieces together that David Egan was killed and they probably killed the killer of David Egan. See? Exactly. You lost, you lost me. Exactly. David, I remember when watching this scene, I'm like, I'm, I don't need a buffy's not here. It's just not, it's killer's not here. I don't pay attention to this. It's not written in a way that's digestible. But here's, okay. Here's what it is. David Egan's, the, the motherfucker that was sitting on the cliff at the very, very beginning, right. Flicking his little thing. Yeah. Yeah. His little, yeah. He killed his fiance a year prior. Yes. They think he killed himself because of that. Yes. But Julie doesn't think that he killed himself because his suicide note, quote unquote, was the same handwriting of the notes that she's been getting. So she's like, oh, the person that's, going after us Yeah, yeah. Killed David Egan. And that's probably the person that we hit. Maybe. Maybe. So that's where we're at. Okay. It's okay. We're about to get to the best part of this movie, because we're getting to pageant prep. Yeah, baby. Yes. Uh, we're at the Roker Queen Pageant, the Roker Queen pageant. Why is she called the Roker Queen? That's why I, that's what I was trying to figure out because if anybody is listening from a small fishing town, is a croker anything beyond like a frog? Because I hear Croker Queen and I'm like, she's a frog. I river rivet. I didn't even think about it. She's sitting on stage. Betty Croker. Uh, Betty Roker. Petty Roker. Betty Cro. Little petty Croker. Ooh, petty Roker. I don't know why I'm really into this today. Wait, the ladies and gentlemen went from the stage, Croker. Oh goodness. I'm really feeling a shimmy today. I don't know what it is. Just, oh, maybe it's'cause my chest hair is out. It's like, yes. Carpet burn, baby. Oh. Anyway, it's the fisherman's Special Day. It's also the pageant. Yes. Everything's happening all at once. It's a perfect storm. There is a really cool transition. It's so high school, but I love it. You see the action of them prepping for the pageant and there's the backdrop. Mm-hmm. And then the lighting changes and we can see Barry and Helen behind the backdrop. Oh yeah. Do that. That's a really cool thing. I love shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. They did do that. I do think that that specific shot is a bit too stylized for this grounded ass movie. Yeah. Because that's something that I would expect from like Wes Anderson or like an auteur, you know? Mm-hmm. But it's cool. I, yeah. Give it a moment. I like it. Give it a moment. Yeah. Uh, he's comforting her, she's scared. Whatever, whatever's. He's watching from the balcony while she has to sit through a painful talent show with that, that woman singing fame, I wanna live, it's the, is that what she's singing? Yeah, baby, look at me. This is, and tell me what you see. I have to give them props. The filmmakers for their commitment to authenticity for small town stuff. Because this is exactly, this is what you would see at the talent show. Yes. And this is, this is exactly the kind of performance where everyone's like, you are so talented, you need to go to New York and be on Broadway. But like the zoom in of Helen's face during this, she made that face out loud on stage. She made that face out loud on stage. But maybe that's the commonality between Helen and Elsa. Oh yeah, the bitchiness. The bitchiness, yeah. Because Helen's just like, oh God, so good. Oh God. But while this is happening, we see Barry up on the, the balcony. Oh, yeah. By himself. I guess nobody wants balcony seats in this show, the fisherman comes up. Yep. Oh, yep. And Sarah Michelle Geller freaks the fuck out, like screaming. She like, throws herself into the audience. Screams. Oh my God. Yeah, but okay. She's screaming. She's like, somebody help him. Everybody help him. Something's happening. Something's happening. Nobody bothers to look at where she's screaming. They're just grabbing her and putting her back on stage. No, they're just like, you get back up there, you piece of eye candy. Nobody until after everything has settled. One guy turns around and by that point the damage is already done. Yeah. Barry dies dead, by the way. Barry's dead. Yeah. He gets hacked to death, rest in peace. Ryan Philippy. But yeah, isn't that fucked up? Like she's screaming for help and they're all just like, now I never stop it. I never, I never noticed why It's a whole mob thing. Not a single person helps her. They all like pull, they push her back. They're just like, stop making a scene. Little Missy can't you? We're listening to somebody sing fame right now. I know how that feels. Really. People always push me into the spotlight all the time and I'm like, I have problems guys. I will not be on that stage all the time. I will not be on that stage. Sometimes I need to mourn the death of my ex-boyfriend. Exactly. He's dead. Yes, he's dead. I didn't do it. No, no I didn't do it. No, no, no. Sure. Photosynthesize that. Anyway. Alright. Barry gets it, he gets slashed. They go up to investigate the scene, but nothing's there. But little did they know there is a drop of blood in the floorboard. Yep. Just dripping on down. Just dripping on down. And they missed it though. The world's most competent cops. Oh, and after she freaks out, someone comes up to her and they're just like, we're gonna need that. And they take the crown away from her. It's so fucked up. the police are questioning her and stuff. And she's like, no, I saw it. I saw it., But then they like take her, but they put her like in the backseat, like she's the criminal. Yeah. Did you notice that? Yeah. It's weird. Like that's a little weird. It's weird. And this like, first half is intercut with Julie doing her hot girl research. Oh yeah. In the library again. Ooh. Hot girl. Research in the library. She finds out that, the fiance that was killed in the drunken car accident two years ago, her dad was a fisherman. Oh, mm-hmm. Named Billy Blue, right? No, no. Billy Blue is, the name of Ray's boat. Got it, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. The father's name is, Ben Willis. There's so many names. Yeah, so Julie does her hot girl research. She realizes that, Susie's father was a fisherman, and she's like, maybe that's who's trying to kill us right now. Hmm hmm. And then we get into one of the best chase scenes in horror cinematic history. This chasing is a movie in itself, and this chasing is the best part of the movie. It's the best part. Yes. And I see you scratching at the gate. So I'm gonna let you kick us off because I know, oh wait, I, I might miss some things, but it's okay. I'm here. I got, got you. You got me. You already clocked it. She's in the back of the fucking cop car, like a criminal. She's in the back Like a criminal. And then they're driving, I think they're driving her to like the station or something to write a report. She's like, no one's listening to me. Whatever. And he makes some, comment about her hair, like she doesn't Oh, he does? Yeah. And I'm just like. Yeah. It's a fuck ass Bob, but she looks great in it. Why? Yeah. Come on. Ew. It's like everybody knows that Helen was about her hair, I guess, and they're all reading her for it, I guess. This fucking bitch ass cop. Ew. Yeah. Anyways, there seems to be one part of the road that has been, sanctioned off that the policeman does not know about. So he is like, oh, that's funny. Let me get out this cop car and move it. So he goes out and who is there? But the fishermen, Ooh, fishermen fucking hooks him. Helen's like, fuck this. She kicks the, the, the window glass shatters everywhere. She climbs out of it and she starts running and the only place she could run is the department store, her father's department store. And who happens to be there? Elsa. Elsa, yes. And Elsa's like, oh, that's awesome. Taking her sweet ass time. Sweet ass time. But you know what? You know who else is taking her sweet ass time as the fucking fisherman. Oh, he is walking so slow and she's booking it. She has so much head room here. He is just like moseying on down to the department store. The confidence of this man to just be like, I'll catch her. Yeah, I'll get her, I'll get there. I'll get her. Yeah. So she's panicking. She's slamming glass. Elsa's like, oh, whatever. She goes towards the door and then walks back to get the keys. I love get to get the keys, but Helen's, my peers says, Helen goes, whatcha doing? Yeah, whatcha doing? Yeah, exactly. And what's more, Elsa doesn't see when she finally lets Helen in at that point, the fisherman is like walking across the parking lot. She should have made it by now. I think he should have made it by then. He should have made it by then. And El also doesn't see him. Right. There's some loopholes. Yeah, I think so. But we, we've accept, we're accepting it. Maybe there's just some things haters can't see. Maybe not, maybe, maybe not. But she ends up locking the front door and then she goes to lock the back one. Yeah. Yeah. Because Helen, Helen mm-hmm. Is the smart one now. Yeah. And she's like, go to the back door, go go to the back door. You gotta lock in. I's like, all right, all right. Calm down girl. Mm-hmm. So Helen is like in the front,, I also goes to the back, locks the door, but then just feels a presence. She's like, something's off here. And she turns around and who is already inside the fishermen. And then we get the beautiful frame she screams and she turns her head to the side. Yep. And we see as he swings the hook, just blood goes across the glass. It's pretty cool actually. It's very poetic. So, Helen is trying to call the police. Yes. Yes. And she, he, that, that's, she hears like stone cold silence. Mm-hmm. She goes, Elsa, Elsa. And then you just see Elsa's body getting dragged by the hook. Yeah. On the floor. Yeah. Helen doesn't see that. We get to see that. We see. Yeah. That's our little treat. It's a treat for the audience. Mm-hmm. Oh, the storytelling is good here. It, it is like, it's like weird are knowing something that the, the, the main character does not know. Yeah. Which she suspects.'cause she heard the screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then like the power gets cut out. Yes. It's dark. Mm-hmm. It's dark. And this is one of my favorite things. I, I love this shit in horror movies. So this department store, there's mannequins, there's tarps, and Helen turns around and just, it's just a bunch of silhouettes, right. Just all tarped, all the same height. And one of them is, a fisherman's hat and a slicker. And I just love the thought. Of this fisherman killing Elsa, throwing her body next to the toilet. In the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Running into the, running onto the display floor. And he's like, t he, he throws a tarp over himself and he is like waiting, just waiting for her to come into the room. That images, I take him out that detail. I think about that all the time. I talked about this in my child's play, two episode,'cause Chucky does a similar thing where he's hiding under a bedsheet. Ah, anytime that happens in a horror movie, I giggle at the thought of the killer setting that up, just like tiptoeing into the room and putting a little something over them and just like waiting, waiting for that moment. Like it's so fucking funny to me. I never thought about it like that. Yeah. But there, there is a preparation to it. There is. He's like, oh, perfect. And you know what? This is perfect. That in itself is queer because that is what extra It is. Extra. Extra. You would do that? I would do. Oh my God, I love to do that. Yeah. Would you put yourself in like a little potted plant? Oh, photosynthesize. That photos photosynthesize this. wild. With my hands. Yes, with your hands. That's right.'cause you don't have a signature weapon. No, my, this, this is the weapon. Yeah. His hands want to feel it. I want to feel it. These are the hands of a killer, Bella. The that's a very intimate way to kill somebody. I have to give you props on that. Thank you. That you have to really want them to, I want, I want to kill them. Yes. Love. And the fisherman wants to kill Helen. Yeah. Yeah. And he will put on a beautiful, a beautiful tarp. A beautiful tarp, and he jumps on out and tackles it. Tackles that bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Just like that. Yeah. It's quite good actually. It's good. It, it, it like the, the, the chasing really builds'cause it gives you like, drops moments of hope. Yeah. And it plays with you a little bit. There's so many beats as well. Different changes of scenery. Mm-hmm. It's so fucking good. I don't even know. It's gotta be like maybe five, 10 minutes long. It's a long one. Yeah. It's a long one. So she gets tackled. She gets tackled and then she runs to the fucking, the pulley system. Yeah. The elevator are whatever. There's, I don't know. Talk about it. Talk about this. This is one of my horror movie, icks. I hate stuff where people's feet are exposed to sharp objects. Like,'cause she lost, she loses her shoes. She, yeah, she's barefoot and she's pulling up the, uh oh.'cause she had already, she found her sister's dead body at this point. Yes. Just in the toilet. Yeah. She sees her body just so elegantly draped over the toilet. Was that you this morning after that? That was, that was me and her vomiting. It's me when I'm hungover. Yeah. So at this point she knows her sister's dead and she's barefoot, and as she's pulling her way up, um, she, he the Oh yeah, the fisherman's, like swinging the hooks at her feet. That's one of my big things. I, it, Ooh, it gives me the ies because it's like if the Achilles like tendon gets like exactly like in pet cemetery or peel be Yes, yes. Exactly. Like that kind of shit. Like that makes my skin crawl so effective, so fucking effective. But she makes her way up and the fisherman's just like, I'll just take this down then. And he just, again, the confidence, he just mosey on up the stairs. Mm-hmm. Moseys on up and she's like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. She makes it up. And then there's nowhere to go. But down. Down through where? Down outta where? Down out the window. Out the fucking window. Yeah. She, yeah. She jumps out of the window. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's just like a bunch of rubble. Yeah. Which has to hurt. Oh, with broken glass Without your shoes. This is a narrow, like a narrowly missing thing too.'cause the fishermen swung his hook as she jumps. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another shot that they liked putting in the trailer. Yes. Woo. Yes. So good. So she lands in some trash and she's in the alley now and she's running and oh my God. There's hope. There's the parade right there, right there with the fireworks and the, the drummers. Mm-hmm. People. Yes. The people. The people are there. That's what makes the town salvation. That's what makes this town this special. People of this town, But what did the people do in this situation? Nothing. Nothing, nothing. This is, I think this is the number one thing that people say'cause it is, everyone is so mad. This is like number one dumb bitch decision in horror movies. Oh. Helen is literally five feet so close away from salvation. So close, and she stops running to turn around, turns around, and then when she turns back around, the fisherman is there, boom. Right into the tires. Mm-hmm. He, and there's the overhead shot is so great because it shows us how close she is to being safe. Oh yeah. He throws her in between these stacks of tires. Mm-hmm. And just starts hacking away at her. And by like the overhead shot, it's like the tires are like right by the parade. Right by the parade. Right by the parade. People are literally right there. Nobody can hear her scream'cause of the music and the fireworks. It's very tragic, but oh, oh, here's the queer intersection. Is it that when we are in trouble, when we need help mm-hmm. Society does not help us. Mm-hmm. Ed keeps walking. Honestly, that's, that's very poignant for right now. Very poignant for right now. Yeah. I never would've thought about it that way, but That's true. It's just like you are the, someone that you've glam glammed up. Mm-hmm. Fucking a fighting force in this world using her creativity mm-hmm. To save this country and then the moment she needs help. Where are you, where, where are you making fun of her hair. Putting her in a police car. That's fair. Yeah. That's honestly, I never thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. Like being in the alleyway of society, being othered. Yeah. And you're like, you know what? I, I, I, let me just, let me be part of you again. Yeah. Let me just like join the parade again. Mm-hmm. Nope, Nope. You were not allowed to dead. Yeah. This is, oh, and now this is where it's your turn to wear the, it's a little broken. I'm gonna need that crown. It's so tiny. Oh, that's so cute. Oh, that's so cute on me. Everybody. I get, so I was wearing a tiara'cause I was the croker queen. I am dressed as, as Helen Shivers. But now that Helen Shivers has died, I promised Richard that I would let him wear my tiara for the rest of the episode. Yay. And it looks really good on, Aw, thank you. Yeah. Y'all need to watch this. And you're right After this point, it's very difficult to, Care about the rest of the movie. Yeah, because the best character is now gone. I mean, might as well be the UN now. Yeah. Real credits. Like I said, this cha scene in itself is a wonderful, like miniature movie, but, Helen dies, and then we're in our final act. It's all fishing boats and hoes and like. Julie, sees that Ray's boat is named Billy Blue, so she thinks he's the killer even though she, but you're Billy Blue. You're Billy Blue. Even though she realized that it was probably the other girl's fisherman, dad or whatever. And then some guy jumps in and who have never met, who we've never met. Knocks Ray out, invites Julian on his boat and then he reveals himself to be the killer because he's like been collecting pictures and stuff. Yeah. This wall. Yeah. She finds like his whole altar of revenge. Yeah.'cause he's been like following Helen because remember the picture of like Helen and stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, I will say, I was wondering how are they gonna do a third act like chasing scene on a, on a fishing boat after that? Yeah. Yeah. And on a fishing boat, nonetheless, there's nowhere to go. They actually do kind of a, a good job like showing the different inner compartments. Julie's going all up, down and around. She ends up in the ice room and finds the bodies of her dead friends. Oh yeah. Which was a nice touch. I know seeing Sarah Michelle Geller's body slide down that Yeah. Yeah. Of what was clearly plastic. They should have made it like to where you could see her breath. I would've bought it more. Oh, that would've been a good detail. Yeah. all that to be said, they find out. Yes. This is Ben Willis. He's the father of the daughter who died two years ago and killed her boyfriend a year ago and then almost died killing her boyfriend. You lost me. Yeah. It's a whole thing. He just, all he says is, next time you, leave some, make sure they're dead. Make sure they're actually dead or whatever. I don't know. Our hero Ray finds his way onto the boat. They end up like cutting off the fisherman's hand.'cause he gets stuck in a rope. Yeah. Yeah. And he drops into the water. And that's kind of, that's it. That's it. Yeah. You have your obligatory post, killer. Mm. Police thing where, so like, uh, you kids know what happened around here? Yeah. His body will show up at some point. No body yet, but it'll show up. They always do. And then cut to one year later college, right, this college, Julie has wonderful hair again. So, you know, she's healed. She's healed, she's back. Uh, yeah. But it's like this whole, it's like a fake out jump, scare ending, you know? Oh yeah. He's where we're led to leave. Like, oh, he's back. The body was never found. And like he's in the shower, it's the jump scare ending. He jumps through the glass and she screams and that's it. It's whatever. But that's, I know what you did last summer. That is. It is a very queer movie now that I'm like, now that we've talked about it mm-hmm. We've talked it out. I do see that. Yeah. I have more. I have a lot more. Oh my God. Yeah.. I can't wait. for me, anytime there is a, a critique of hyper masculinity and toxic masculinity, I automatically read that as queer. So with Barry, where there's this showcase of how. Much, he leans into his aggression and masculinity. Mm-hmm. And at the end of the day, that is usurped. That is, it doesn't serve him anything. Yeah. It's actually detrimental, I think, shining that, shining a mirror on that reality. Mm. Where spoiler alert for life, everybody. Toxic masculinity is not the answer. Mm-hmm. Hyper-masculinity is quite poisonous to society. It doesn't solve any problems. Yeah. So I always read a little bit of a, a queer intention whenever that it's showcased like that, like the way it is in this movie. He's also like the home eroticism of it. He's shirtless, he's always sweaty. Yeah. The shower scene we touched on that. Little towel. Little towel. Very little towel. Very little towel. Mm-hmm. we kind of already talked on this too, just to, just to point a finger directly at it. We talked a lot about the pageantry of it all. Yes. About the gender performance of, of Sarah Michelle Geller's character and as soon as she starts to be overcome by this guilt and this grief, that all starts to fall away. That starts to fall apart. Mm-hmm. And then once it does, once her hair is cut off and her, her, her man is killed. Yeah. Yeah. Then she herself is killed. Mm-hmm. Society isn't able to help her. Mm-hmm. You know? There's also, this is a small thing. We touched on this, the cultural context of it all. The, just like the time that this movie was made, Sarah Michelle Geller. Buffy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's just like so many queer icons in one movie. Yeah. It's just like innately, the cultural context makes this a queer movie. Yeah. But the real thing is like, the big thing, and I remember I brought this up to you when we first, first when we talked over coffee, Uhhuh, this whole movie can be seen as an allegory for uh, guilt and shame around a secret. Well, no, that's what the movie is about. But that is an experience that is very true to queer people. Mm. Because we keep it, we we're keeping a secret. Yeah. Imagine, imagine, right? they kill somebody. Uhhuh. Right. If you replace that with sex, with queer sex, you had shameful queer sex. Yeah. Yeah. And then. However long later, someone leaves you a cryptic note. I know what you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you are. Imagine as a queer person, the feelings that will be coursing through your body. Yeah. So it's just that, that that experience of feeling like you have to hide something that you did and someone's usually your sexuality against you. Exactly. And just how it feels so threatening and it, it honestly, depending on your circumstances, it can feel life or death. Yeah, yeah. You know, if somebody is, especially if someone's in the closet. Exactly. That's exact, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, being closeted, having a queer experience and then somebody saying, I know, oh my God, I know about that and I'm going to hang it over your, I'm gonna torment you. You don't know who I am, but I know who you are and I know what you did. That is such a, that is a queer fear, if I've ever heard one. Oh, I never even thought about that. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's like a big, like for me, that's one of the biggest takeaways. Is like, is the the ex being ex being exposed when you are not ready to expose your Exactly. Wow. For an act that you did that has since changed your life and your relationships with the people that were also a part of it, your friends who were used to be so close Yeah. You all went through this experience together. It has changed you both. It's changed you all. Fundamentally, the dynamics are so different between you all. And not only are you grappling with that, grieving all of that, but you also now have this paranoia and this, this guilt and this shame because an outsider knows about it and you want so desperately to keep it a secret. Yeah. Above everything else. If this secret gets out, your life is over. That's, yeah. That's so clear. Holy. Yeah. I never thought about that. Mm-hmm. Anybody who's spent any amount of time in the closet knows exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. You know, it's a, it's a very, very queer thing. It's basically the tr the closet as the the plot device. Yeah. And how, how it changes you. You're depressed, you're gone. Like you're, you can't function normally. No. Like life. Life isn't life because you are so consumed with the secret and that someone's gonna out, someone's gonna out you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And then furthermore, the fishermen can be seen as a queer monster, as an embodiment of, of, of homosexuality. How so? He's coming after you, you have this secret uhhuh, and you're trying so hard to hide it, but that queerness is a force that you can't necessarily repress. No. And trying to repress it is, it, it, it causes you so much more pain. You're relentlessly pursued by it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. That the thought of that queerness never goes away. Wow. Much like how the, the fisherman is always there. Mm-hmm. He's omnipotent. He's omnipresent. He's constantly reminding you, I am here. Yeah. And I am a lingering representation of this shameful act that you Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's deep. Mm-hmm. And it's like, it's one of those things where it haunts you once you think that you escaped it as well. You know Anybody who has ever tried, I tried this, I tried to convince myself that I was straight. Really? Yeah. There was like a small period of time where I really tried to convince myself that I was straight. And then it just came back. It came back and it came back and it came back. And so that's kind of how I read the fishermen. It's just like this embodiment of a queerness that is never going away. This, this relentless. Thing. Yeah. That you are trying to run away from, that you're trying to escape. Forget about trying to convince other people is not a real thing, but it's always going to be there and it's always gonna be dangerous, and it's always gonna feel threatening until you're able to confront it. Yeah. You know? So that's my thought. Like, oh my gosh. How's your brain doing? My brain is very sensitive right now. Oh God. Here. Oh, do you want it back? You can take the crown. I'm gonna take my crown back. Thank you. I don't just hurt that I earned it. I earned it. You earned the Yes, Helen, you earned that crown. Um, yeah. So those are my thoughts. Like what thoughts do you have? Do you have like thoughts about what I've said or about your experience on the film? I mean, that what you said is very deep. Thank you. And I was like, oh my God, I like to go deep. Everybody. So fortunately, I didn't have to come out like a, as. Uh, I guess it wasn't a thing. It wasn't a thing. Yeah. Well, the thing is, is that I come from a very queer family already. Mm. So I Oh,'cause you had moms, right? I had moms, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it was a different story for me. It was like, oh yeah, I have a boyfriend. His name is, his name is so and so. They're like, oh, that's great. Yeah. So I, I was, it was fortunate enough for me to, to do that on the parental side. Mm-hmm. But there was a moment when friendships changed. Mm. Yeah. So I remember like, oh, around, uh, like 10 years old or something. Mm-hmm. Which is when I saw, I know you did last summer. I guess a lot of the, the guys that I used to hang out with, started to not hang out with me so much. I didn't understand at the time. I was like, oh, that's weird that, you know, like my friend David and Alan just like, don't want to hang out with me anymore. Yeah. I just thought it was like, oh, maybe it's a. I, I didn't, I didn't read too much into it. Yeah. But looking back, I think it's because we're all, we were all starting to like, kind of realize our sexualities. Mm. And I think they realized that I was a homo. Got it. And that, I don't know what was fed from their, it it, you know what I mean? Like hate is taught. Yeah. So probably somewhere down their, their lines that someone told them like, oh, homosexuality is wrong. Richard is a homosexual. You should not be hanging out with him. Mm. So I started to notice this kind of friend shift. Yeah. And I remember like from ages 10 to 14, I was very, very lonely. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I became Julie when she was not bouncy anymore. Was your hair greasy when she was not bouncy? Oh. Because I used to, I used to be very, very bouncy. Okay. And then there was a certain age where I became very, very like inward. Mm-hmm. Which is so funny. It was during this time of this movie. Yeah. Um. My hair was probably greasy, but I remember specifically I would wear this green jacket. Mm-hmm. And to those who knew, who are watching, who know me during this time, you know, the green jacket that I was wearing, I would not take off this green jacket. Mm-hmm. I wanted to hide my body. I wanted to hide who I was, any shape or form. I didn't want anyone seeing me. Yeah. I literally wore the same thing every day because I did not want to express myself. I wanted safety. Yeah. I didn't want to show people my creative side. I just, even though everyone knew I was creative Yeah. Because of course it comes out in other ways. But I was just so going. I was like, I don't, I feel just very weird. And I'd rather just protect myself. So I used this jacket to protect myself. And it wasn't until high school when I met other, Other queer folk. Other queer folk. Mm-hmm. Of course. In the theater community. Yeah. And I went, wait a minute. Like, hold on. I don't need to wear, now that I'm a serious actress, through my art, I shall serve my country. Country. thank you for sharing. I appreciate that. Yeah. I didn't know that. I have these many connections to I know what you did last summer. Isn't it amazing what happens when you think, yeah, it's wonderful. Wait, that was a read. Yes, it was. Bitch. We'll get there. We have four more episodes for you to, well, hold on, huh? Yeah, we have four more episodes. Look, look who can't count. Listen, I'm not a Mather, okay? I don't do math. Math. What is that? Mather. What is math? Mythology. Mythology. Ugh. And on that note, any final parting thoughts? Who's the killer? Oh yeah. Who is the killer? Is that I just know It's the old dude. Oh. You know, I,'cause I realize,'cause the third act I find is just so not engaging. I just, I blasted through that shit. The killer is Ben Willis. Ben Willis, the father of Susie Willis. Who's Anna Su Su? No, no, no. Susie Willis is the fiance of David Eagan. Got it. Who is Anne Hess's brother. Got it. Susie Willis died two years ago. Mm. David Eagan was killed by Ben Willis one year ago. Our four hot babes thought they killed Ben Willis when he was coming down the mountain from killing David Eagan. And so, yeah. Got it. Okay. Does that make sense? I feel like do the Explorer right now, just, I'm looking in the audience like, can you say convoluted and on that Richard? Oh yeah. I think we're ready. Where can our, where can our listeners find you? You could find me on the gram at Lord Fierce TikTok at Plant Daddy md or visit my website plant daddy md.com. Yes, and you can find me Cry baby at cryon without the G Ncore public. Ooh. And of course, follow horror icon. That's W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on the Instagram. And join us next time. Cutie patties for, I still know what you did last summer with Brandy, uh, the vocal Bible. Yes. I'm so excited for that one. Oh my God, yes. We're gonna have a lot of fun with episode. We're episode we're a lot. Oh my God. Yeah. So hang in there, cuties. We're gonna get there soon. And until then, don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Bye.