14. I Still Know What You Did Last Summer (1998)

Our Petty Mayonnaise hook-handed diva is back and taking the murder spree on vacation, baby!

This week on Whorror Icon, Crybaby and Richard dive into the messy, extra-convoluted sequel I Still Know What You Did Last Summer—aka the one where a suspicious-ass radio contest sends our trauma-riddled Final Girl on a KILLER vacation to the Bahamas.

We’re talking Brandy’s scream queen supremacy, suspiciously sexy landscaping (with a few tragic misses), and our own deeply queer-coded headcanons. Come for the hot, sexy teens and blood-soaked bedsheets—stay for the drama, the chaos, and Richard’s slow, painful realization that absolutely none of this makes sense.

It’s fun, it’s flawed, it’s wetter than a hurricane in July—and we’re breaking it all down one ridiculous plot twist at a time.

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Hi Cuties and welcome back to Horror Icon. Your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. Oh, hey, hey. Uh, you know me, I'm crybaby. The spooky sloppy ette is nightmares. And we got next to me. Hi, I'm Richard Brooklyn's. Favorite plant daddy. The most favorite plant daddy. Oh, thank you. Yes, I do what I can. Yes. Welcome back Richard. I'm so happy to have you here. Thank you for having me back. Oh, this is the energy I needed this morning. It's been a rough day everybody. And it's only, I don't have my watch on, but it's like noon. Well, we just had 4th of July weekend. We did. We had 4th of July weekend. Pride Weekend before that. Pride Weekend. Before that I had so many birthdays this weekend too. Oh. And then I booked a last minute gig tonight. Congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations. I'm very excited. It'll happen by the time this goes out. But the Gender free Haircut Club that's who I'm gonna be doing this gig with. Oh. Oh, that's awesome. Yes. They, uh, offer free gender affirming haircuts to folks. So, yeah, that's, oh, what's the salon? It's at Fox and Jane. Oh, cool. On the lower East side. Yeah. Yeah, it's super, super cool. Yeah. Very, very cute. But yes, we're back. We are covering the sequel in our series, which is, I still know what You did last summer. I still Know Baby. And this one. She's cute. I'm actually, I'm very excited to talk about this. Yeah. Yeah. the production value has increased significantly, of course, um, since the first one. But after doing the first episode, I was like, okay, I kind of get the feels now. Uhhuh, I'm gonna watch this a little bit more critically because I'm a thinker too. So I wrote notes. We have notes. We have notes. Is that the fucking US Constitution? So I, I am a firm believer of just like reusing things. Yeah. So I had like this recycled paper. So instead of getting it like a notebook or something, I decided to just put it on a piece of picture paper. If you're listening and you're not watching, this is like a scroll. This is what I, this is how I imagine, like Dumbledore took his notes back in the day or something. I love that this is, oh, I love esti. Me too. Oh yeah, yeah. We're gonna get into it. Um, that's great. I am, uh, I'm a modernist. I printed, I printed my stuff out. Well, not all of us. Uh, I have the luxury of a printer. Listen, we just have a good old penant scribe. That's so funny. Yeah. Well, yeah, the production value has totally gone up. Um, for me, I still know what you did last summer is more embedded in my brain than the first one really, because for some reason when I was younger, that was the one that I would always see. I don't know why. Ah, it was always, I still know. So I've seen this movie probably at least 15 more times than I've seen the the first one. I know one. Yeah. And we're off. Let's do this. Burp Central. I forgot how many it was. I know. I counted. I think we're, we're definitely in double digits. Weird. Yeah. Um, we hit like, I think we hit 10 so far. We did, yeah. Congratulations to Richard. Yes, yes. Congratulations to you. I wonder, I wonder if we had like, time travel back to the time was there, you know, like how the Batman and Robin movie or the Batman movies always had like collectible, like cups or something? Oh, I wonder the, if the reason why like that is so clear in your memory is if there was like a cross promotion during that time. I just feel like that's what people did. In like the, the late nineties. Well, I feel like crossover promotions for horror movies aren't as marketable. It's one thing to do like a, a DC movie or, uh, a superhero, a family movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to do a horror movie because the genre we love horror. We, yeah, yeah, yeah. To us, horror feels very mainstream because for, that's all I watch. Mm-hmm. I pretty much only watch horror. But it's, it's niche. Yeah. So I can't imagine like McDonald's having a fisherman, a fisher. I know they did last summer. The fish filet Fridays. Exactly. Exactly. Ugh. That would've been amazing though. Um, no, I don't know. I think this one, maybe it was on TV. More. Mm. Maybe, it was just because it, it was newer. It was the one that was always put out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe because honestly, this one is so over the top cheesy. I think it's a really good time. It's not a great movie, but I think it's a lot of fun, and I think that might be part of it too. It feels more fun than the first movie does. It definitely does. Yeah, it definitely does. I, well, one thing that I noticed when rewatching, I still know what you did last summer, is that there's so much music. There is, there's like, there's not only like a good soundtrack, but there's also like kind of like poppy music with lyrics. Yes. It's more like sliced into the, the movie versus the original movie where I can't really recall any music in the background. I don't think there was any music in the background either. Oh yeah. That might be part of it too. It's just like, like you said, it's bigger. Yeah. It's a bigger, bigger movie. I just wanna make sure I'm so paranoid. Fanning myself off. Yeah. I have like PTSD from fucking bad microphone takes and stuff. Oh. And the software that I use unfortunately is not reliable. Yeah. Hey, it's all good. We, this is like. This is when we create the stuff. Exactly. So you have to get everything you can. Yeah. This is no budget, no zero budget. Yeah. I got that from Chris Vecchio from Queer Horror High. Do you ever listen to Queer Horror High? Mm-hmm. Shout out to Queer Horror High. I fucking love Queer Horror High. It was the first crossover episode I've ever done. It's Chris Vecchio and Nikki Jack, and they, their whole thing is they just get high and watch movies and talk about them. Mm-hmm. And it's really fun. They recommend like, what strain or like, you know, sativa or indica to smoke when you watch it. It's really cute. Chris came and did my four 20 heni episode. Oh yeah. We talked all about weed and horror and like the tropes and all that stuff. But anyway, Chris, They were the ones that they kind, I don't know if they coined it, but they were just like, we are no budget. And that stuck in my mind. It's like, yes, me too, mama. We are all low budget here. I like, I like the raw, the raw cuts. The raw details. That's one thing. Okay. So, um, we forgot to, to mention this last one. I'm gonna give a little bit of lore, everybody. Hmm. Richard technically booked me for my first ever drag gig. Ah, yes, yes. I remember that discussion. Yes. So the botanical ball that I mentioned last time, that was the first time I ever performed in drag. And it was at the plant shop that you used to work at? Yeah, yeah. There was a good handful of us performing like Donnie performed. Mm-hmm. Amy Moore, Amy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, so that's, I forgot to mention that Richard is the reason why I'm here like this today, basically. Oh my God. Well, I mean, I, I mean, I probably would've taken the leap at some point, but it was like the perfect storm.'cause I had just quit my job and everything, so, yeah. It, it lined up and you were like the star of that show. No, I mean, I loved all my queens. I loved all the queens in that show. Shit. It's okay, Amy, if you're watching. I love you too. It's okay. We, we love you, Amy. Hey Donnie. We love Amy. But yeah, that year we wanted to celebrate Pride by doing, a drag show, a botanical ball. And so everything was plant themed. And I remember I had to find different acts, different queens and kings. And I was like, wait a minute. That person who wanted to make a dress out of plants, I need to find their contact. And so I kind of, I dunno how I found you with that. Well, we had already, we had just followed each other on Instagram. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. We exchanged information when we first initially started chatting. Mm-hmm. So anyway, it was lots of fun. But I remember you telling me that you, when it came to drag, you love that gritty grassroots. Me too, by the way. I fucking love that shit. Yeah, I do like for me, like even though, you know, when we watch drag on TV now, it's all very glamorous, it's very pageantry, but kind of from my neck of the woods in San Francisco, the Bay Area. Drag was always a very, very gritty thing. It was a very DIY. Mm-hmm. It was bearded queens mustaches chest hair. It, it, it's literally crybaby cry. Cry crybaby is the type of drag that I emerged from this. Thank you. Although I don't have my beard right now, I'm, I'm experimenting crybaby without a beard. Yeah. I think I'm gonna go back though. I kind of like You can switch it up. Yeah. Mm. Anyway, all that to be said, I still know what you did last summer. I'm gonna get into my cry. Baby breakdown. Yeah, let's break it down, bitches. Let's break it down again. Did not memorize. Probably never will. It's okay. It's a fucking monologue. You're not that serious of an actress. No, I am not. I'm not. I'm not Helen Shivers. You're not Helen Shivers. You know she's dead. That's true. Very true, miss. She rest in peace. Herwig and tiara's right up there behind us. Y'all can't see it on camera. But my wigs are behind us on the shelf and oh God. Helen Shivers is looking over this episode right now. Anyway. All right. All right. I still know what you did last summer. It's another 4th of July, and our sassy petty fisherman is back for a hot, sexy murder spree. But this time he's getting tropical baby uhhuh. One year after the events of the last movie, which if you're keeping track, took place one year after a tragic accident that also took place one year after another tragic accident. our kind of mid final girl, Julie James returns and this time with slightly better hair and a significantly better roommate, Carla. Julie has been screaming her way through nightmares, flunking her way through college again, and clinging to her long distance, almost boyfriend Ray. While Carla is doing her best to get Julie to dump his ass and date some new local white bread boy named Will. In an odd turn of events, and an even otter change of location for this slasher are silly, sexy girlies win a 4th of July trip to The Bahamas baby and they're bringing their men. But plot twist, the contest is fake. The trivia answer was wrong. And this quote unquote vacation is actually a murder trap somehow now stranded at an off season resort in the middle of a hurricane miles away from help and farther from getting laid than they would like. Our cast of hot college co-ed starts to fall apart and this poor working class resort staff finds themselves in the middle of some convoluted ass revenge plot. As the storm rolls in, Ray fumbles his way through, yet another limp boyfriend redemption arc. Julie realizes she can't keep running from her trauma, and everyone else starts wondering why Julie didn't mention that time. She helped cover up a murder. Whoops. So who survives this time? Who dies this time we're breaking down all the drama, all the trauma and deeply chaotic choices, and I still know what you did last summer because nothing says summer fun, like being stalked, slashed, and confused Again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. are you ready to bitch the pot? Are you ready for some fun factoids? I'm ready for both. So this film was not directed by Jim Gillespie. This was directed by Danny Cannon, who I honestly can't name a single other thing that he directed. He's more of a producer. He produced a lot of shows. Wow. But he directed this, Jim Gillespie did not like the script. Oh, he didn't? No, he didn't like the premise. He didn't think it was something that he wanted to do, so he didn't get on board. Mm-hmm. Nice. Oh gosh. Um, another fun fact, this was the last time for 27 years that Jennifer Love Hewitt would star in a horror movie.'cause she didn't wanna get typecast as a scream queen. Oh. So she kind of like moved on to other stuff. She had her music career, all that. We'll get into that later, later. But yeah, up until she reprise her role as Julie James in the up and coming film that's coming out in like two weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She had never done a horror movie since. Which, I mean, I don't, I don't blame her.'cause at the time, horror was like, it was, it was sexy again, Uhhuh, it wasn't like now where there's a lot of, a lot more respect and admiration in doing horror movies. Was that a quiet burp? You don't know me. I saw it on your face. I saw you prep for it and then release it. I didn't wanna be disrespectful. Be disrespectful is fine. It's fine. I don't mind being disrespected sometimes. I'm sure you don't. Nope. Okay. Let's, anyway, that's disrespectful to be a, a scream queen. Yeah. Back in the nineties. Yeah. It was just, would you consider Sarah Michelle Geller as a scream queen? Yes and no. I think Sarah Michelle Geller because of Buffy. Was able to kind of like move beyond that. Mm. because Buffy's Horror, but it's also like, it's a TV series. Like she's carrying so many seasons. It's like it Well it's, it's a drama series. Yeah. If you really think about it, just in the category of mm-hmm. Of horror. I would count her as a scream queen for sure. But I think that for her opportunities were already hers at that point. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,'cause when she did scream too, and I know what you did last summer, Buffy was already in production. She was already on the rise. Exactly. And then she also acted before that too. So she already has cl Yeah, she did soap operas, all that stuff. But Jennifer Love Hewitt, I think was just worried about getting shoehorned into that Scream Queen thing. Ah, yeah. Was I still know. Oh, the whole, I know what you did last summer franchise. Mm-hmm. Did it start, was that like Jennifer Love Hewitt's? Like first thing? No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I'm sure she's done stuff before this. Yeah. I think she also did some TV things. I just, I don't know. I didn't, I didn't look that much up. Sorry. That's okay. Anyway, because of its negative reception, Freddie Prince Jr. Never watched the movie until last year when he watched it for a podcast. What? Yeah, because it was received so negatively. I, it got an 8% tomato meter on Rotten tomatoes. That's, people are a little dramatic. It wasn't that bad. I actually like it. It was bad. I've seen a lot like worse movies there, like they're. 8%. Well, that's the critic score. The audience gave it 29%, which still is a much better. That's it. Geez. You are so rude. Yeah, it's not that bad. Well, here it's not that bad. I actually, I wrote down, this is Shady Boots. I wrote down a quote from one of the critics on their review. Oh, getting critic reviews. Okay. Yeah. They said quote, we know what sequel shouldn't have been made last summer. That's stupid. I think. I think that's shady. I think it's shady. It's dumb, but it's shady. Oh, another thing, final thing.'Cause Carla, the roommate played by the vocal Bible herself. Brandy. Brandy. Apparently that character was originally supposed to be white. I know. Thank God. Yeah. I'm glad that they did. Thank God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And also, like, they didn't make, because they cast brandy, they didn't make her character like quintessentially black. Like they wasn't her whole art, which I character I really, really appreciated. Which I really appreciated. Yes.'cause one of my s that we discussed, uh, previously was tokens. Yes. And what I liked about this movie, like when I first saw Brandy on screen, I'm like, great, we have the, the token black girl. But because of the casting choices, it was more well-rounded. And Brandy was not, Brandy was playing that kind of friend of Julie's. Mm-hmm. I'll discuss it later, but the, the replacement mm-hmm. Of Helen in, in Julie's like fantasy world. Yeah. So I appreciated not only the casting choice of brandy, but everyone else Yes. With that. Like the people at the resort. Mm-hmm. Mikhail Pfeiffer. Mackay. Mackay. Mackay Mackay. Yeah. Mackay Pfeiffer. Well, let's be, let's talk about the characters. So we have Julie, who's returning, played by Jay Love Hewitt. Mm-hmm. And then we have her white bread boyfriend Ray, played by the handsome Friday Prince Jr. we already talked about Carla. Yes. she is, uh, Julie's new roommate. Mm-hmm. They're good friends in college, and, she's just great. Yeah. I love her. Like you said. Well, I, I knew of Brandy from her TV show, Moisha. That's right. Yes, that's right. And that's how me and my, I got my little sister into it. Mm-hmm. Because my little sister was really, really into Moisha. Mm. Okay. And so when that came,'cause I was a Buffy fan. Oh yeah, me too. So, oh my God. Okay, so I, I'm not sure about the TV politics here, but there was the Wb Uhhuh, which is what Buffy was on. Oh. And then Moha was on UPN. Oh. And I think those channels are literally just like back in California, one channel off. So I remember me watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and then my little sister arguing Uhhuh. It's like, no, I wanna watch Moesha. And so we would always battle it out between Buffy and Moesha. Interesting. So I always think it's kind of interesting that Julie's best friend is kind of like the battle of WB and UPN.'cause those were, that's so meta. That's so funny. Like those were the IT girls of those two TV stations. That's true. And they both find their way into this franchise, which is. Interesting. Yeah. I never saw Moesha. I should have. I, it's pretty funny. I love Moesha's best friend Uhhuh. She was the reason why I watched the show. Uhhuh. Granted, I loved Brandy because of Cinderella. Yes. And all this other stuff. That, and also I love her music too. Mm-hmm. But it's Moesha's friend that got me watching that show. She was funny as fuck. See, I knew Brandy from Cinderella. Mm. Yeah. Which, love that version of Cinderella. So fun. I mean an Asian prince of course. Uh, yes, of course. So that's Carla. Then we have Ty. Yes. Who is Carla's horny boyfriend. Very horny. Uh, played by the also very handsome Mackay Pfeiffer. We have Will Benson, who is, wonder Bread without the Wonder. Uh, he is wider than Ray. He is, what did I say? Oh, he's kind of like, if you threw every mediocre baseball player, turned comedian into a blender. That's kind of him. Oh my God. Yeah. He is. I I love Carla. Her one flaw is that she thinks that this motherfucker is worth dating because she pushes she, she pushes, she pushes Will Yeah. Onto Julie. Yes. And Will is boring. Uh, and he's not even, I'm sorry, he's not my type. I'm not gonna say he is not handsome.'cause I'm sure there's people out there that find him handsome. I mean, he's just like generic. Exactly. That's the thing. He's just like, okay. It's just like basic white dude. Yeah. Wonder Bread without the wonder. But, but things, he's not even like, you can't, he, his character doesn't even push to the point of like, you can make fun of it because there's nothing to make fun of. There's nothing there. There's nothing. I, if it wasn't for what happens at the end, I would forget his character completely. Moving on. Will, eh, some other folks, some of our peripheral folks, we have Ray's friend who's just like some guy, a fisherman. Oh, Dave, is that his name? He's in my notes. Oh, Dave, I didn't write down Dave. Oh, yeah. Uh, Dave is, I have, has to say, I have things to say about Dave. Oh, I can't wait to hear. Yeah. Yeah. Dave is like, Ray's like bestie on the boat. Yes, he is. That's how I like to say it. Yeah. He's Ray Helen. Mm-hmm. Yes. We also have, oh, we have the resort manager, Mr. Brooks, played by Jeffrey Combs, horror royalty. Oh, I didn't mean his royal. Oh yeah, he was a re animator. That's his big one. And then he's done a lot of other horror movies as well. So Jeffrey Combs is wonderful. So happy to see him in this movie. Mr. Brooks, the dick ass, uh, hotel manager. Manager. Manager. Yeah. We have Jack Black, who is a, oh God, walking, caricature of a stoner., I feel like is not as problematic as some people may think from the jump, and we'll get into that. I think it's a critique. He took me by surprise. I forgot that Jack Black was in this movie. Yeah. Until he just pops out at the resort. And honestly, I think wonderful casting, I'm not gonna lie. I Well, here's the thing. I don't know who else would, would've, would do that exactly. Jack Black's character in this movie is Appropriation 1 0 1. Oh yeah. Absolutely. It's 100. He has dreads. He's, he's the weed dealer. He's the pool guy. Yeah. Yeah. The affectations, uh, the affectations that he puts on are very, appropriated as well. Yeah. And I think that he does it in a way that is so exaggerated. I personally feel like it's a critique of appropriation. Mm. You know, I feel like he's making fun of people who are like that. I don't think it's one of those things where the performance or even the presence in the movie Is like representation as acceptance. I think it's satirical in a way. He definitely did provide the comic relief. Yes. But he Oh, that is an interesting way to think about it. Yeah. But he like pushed it to that extreme that it's actually making fun of it. That's so meta. Yeah. That's, that's my thought. Wow. Like there is of, I mean, I could imagine that there's a conversation around the problematic nature of that character. Mm-hmm. But it was the nineties, everything was problematic back then. Looking in retrospect, that's true. But I also, I do kind of want to give it a little bit more credit. I don't think it was necessarily trying to be. Perceived as like this revolutionary thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think they were like, oh, this would be funny. But I do think that it is somewhat of a critique of cultural appropriation. Yeah. It was him like being a white boy, white boy. Trying to be, trying to be Exactly. Got it. That's exactly, I, I could see that. I could see that. Yeah. So Jack Blacks in this movie, we also have Derrick, he's the dock hand. He code switches to get tips, he Puts on a Caribbean accent so that way white people will tip him more. Mm-hmm. Love it. We have Estes. I love him. However, I am so over the mystical negro trope. He kind of plays that here. He does play into that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's great. I do love him. He's my favorite. Um, we have Nancy. She's the hot bartender. I feel like Nancy is the, like, this is how they thought women from New York were. Mm. She reads very nineties New York woman to me, the way that she's written, styled, portrayed. Yep. She's very like, kind of like rough around the edges. Like the coyote ugly kind of girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like that kind of, yeah. Yes, yes. It's that kind of vibe. Like, no bullshit. I'm sexy, but fuck off. Yeah. That kind of thing. Exactly. I'm not sure if there's probably dialogue that has to do with guys or something. I think she's a little queer coded. Oh, absolutely. I find her to be a little sad. Hundred percent. I really like Nancy. And then we have Olga that made poor baby Olga. I know. Which I thought was an interesting naming choice. Yeah. Because you have Estes like Yeah. You have Es and you have Yeah. Olga. Olga. Like you would think like a Russian housekeeper Exactly. From that name, but it's not, but. You only know that name if you look at the credits. Exactly. Anyway, those are our characters. And let's go ahead and get through our talk through. I would love to hear what you have on your notes on this mile long piece of paper that we have here. Where do I begin? Where do I begin? I, well, the first thing I kind of went, I just watched the movie straight through. Mm-hmm. And started jotting things down. Yes. Same. So the first thing I saw was, religion. Julie's Catholic maybe because that was the open, the opening. How the movie opens is that we're in a church. Yes. It's like, and she's going to confession. Yes. And did we notice the hooker heels she was wearing? No, I did not notice the hook. She's wearing hooker heels. That was like the first shot. Like, okay. You just like, oh, the church. Okay. And then it zooms into her heels and she's wearing hooker heels. Good. Gabe? Good. I I love hooker heels in the Catholic church work bitch. Yes, please. I, I didn't think about I,'cause here's the thing, whenever I see a scene like this, especially in a movie like this mm-hmm. I don't latch onto the Catholicism part of it. Mm. I'm just like, oh, she's gonna go into the fucking confession and on the other side of the screen is gonna be some big bad blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be jump screen and that's exactly what the fuck happens. I view it as a plot device less than like a religious represent. Nice. Forgive me, father, I have said, forgive me, father. I have, I don't necessarily view it as like a religious representation as much as just like a kind of a plot device, a trope that you see. Mm. Catholicism is all up and down in horror movies. It is. Whether it be represented well or not, But she is in church and hooker heels and I like it. She's, no, I really like that. Mm-hmm. This whole church thing is a dream. Kind of like how they ended the first movie with like this whole fake out thing. They did the same thing with her in this movie, and she, correct me if I'm wrong, she wakes up in class screaming, right? Yes, she does. Mm-hmm. Because it was just a dream and she's been having these dreams in class. Mm-hmm. And she's not doing well. No, she's not doing well in class at all. I mean, she's sleeping in class. Of course. And then so Ray comes in,'cause she's dating Ray. Mm-hmm. And they're still together. They're still together. He wants her to go to Southport, but she doesn't want to. Mm-hmm. She, she has not gotten over. What has happened to her in the town. Mm-hmm. But Ray seems to be fine with it. And is He is like, yeah, yeah, let's fine. We gotta go back. Which is very in. Well, I don't think'cause he hasn't left. Mm. Because he's a, he, he works as a fisherman, so he can't really leave. Julie gets to go to college and she gets to kind of leave it all behind her. That's kind of her thing. And she like runs away from things. That's what Julie does. She's cold, distant, she runs away from things and reasonably I get it. She doesn't want to come back. It's been a year. Yeah. It's only been one year. So I get it. Give her time to like simmer and stuff. She like, just like possibly killed someone. Her best friends are dead. Exactly. Yeah. I guess I understand the trauma. Yeah. And whereas Ray hasn't really had the chance to remove himself from it yet. Mm. Maybe he loses himself in his work. He is a working, he's aholic working class. Well he's, he's a working class. He has to Mm. You know, that's his whole thing. I did write, write down kind of like the parallels of Julie's new life versus her old life. Oh yeah. So she ki I feel like she kind of replaced people. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So, like Helen is now Carla, Barry is now Tyrell. Mm-hmm. And Ray could possibly be Will. Oh yeah. I see. You know what I mean? Like, she's like, I'm gonna recast my new life. These are my new friends. And kind of like, and Ray is kind of that, that possibly might be phased out person. Well, and he's the one thing that she doesn't wanna like go of because she, despite he knows the truth, he knows the truth. Like he gets her like the high school sweethearts and everything. But also, will is not great. I'm sorry, I'm projecting, I'm projecting my thoughts about Will onto this. You hate Will so much. I just think he's so boring. I just, it it. Anyway, but I, yes, I feel you there. Yeah, Especially'cause we, we get that shot of her looking at that photo of Helen, of Sarah Michelle Geller when she gets back to her partner Caress. And she caress it and I'm just like, girl, we miss her too. Me too. We miss her too. I was hoping for like a little flashback just to have a little SMG in there, but No, no. And that, that was like wishful thinking on our heart or just the photo, like after that scene too. Isn't there like a, a shadow in the background? Yeah. I was like, oh my God. S-M-G-S-M-G-I wish, but no, it's Carla instead it's the replacement SM G, which honestly as far as replacement besties go in movies. Carla is top tier. She is because she's very, very confident. Yes. She makes decisions. She does. And she looks out for Julie. She does, she's very protective of Julie. She's very protective of Julie. I really like Carla. I would be Carla's friend. I also just, she's fun. She just wants to have a fun time. She wants to have a fun time. She was going through Julie's closet'cause she thought Julie wasn't home and Julie almost stabs the fuck out of her. And, and Brandy Carla is just like, girl, I thought you were gone. I'm just trying to borrow a cute top from you. I'm going out tonight. I'm not gonna die over it. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's so fucking funny. But then she somehow uses that to convince Julie to go out with her. I, I wrote down almost get stabbed and invites Julie out. But isn't that the whole theme of this movie is that Carla almost stabbed, but we'll still hang out with Julie. Yeah, exactly. She's, she's a ride die. that's the friend that you need, like, if you're having a bad day, she's like, look girl, I am stealing your clothes and we're going out. Yeah. Carla's a girl's girl. She's a girl's girl. Carla's 100% a girl's girl. She's definitely a girl's girl. She's the one that's gonna like, get you together. She'll gather you if she has to. Mm-hmm. Like she'll tell you like, it is, she will watch you a drink. She'll call out a guy who tries to put something, A drink. Yeah. She's also, she's that bitch. She's very protective too. Like I feel like she looks after like the group, of course, like after Julie. But I feel like she always has a watchful eye over everyone. Very much so. Very, I would definitely agree. Yeah. Yeah. She's very competent as well. She is. She is. It's not like one of those things where you have somebody who tries to be maternal and tries to look out for people and ends up making things worse. No, she is capable, she's intelligent. I fucking love Carla. Big Carla fan here. they go out too, and this is where she starts pushing Will Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. At the club. At the club. At the club. And what I, I wrote down in my notes at the club mm-hmm. Is that if you notice in the club, there's those flashes of blue lights. Mm-hmm. And those blue lights, to me, symbolized the color scheme of the first movie poster. Mm-hmm. And so when those blue lights start hitting, that's when she sees the flashback of the fishermen. Mm-hmm. And it's kind of like paying, an homage to the first movie. Yeah. I mean, lighting definitely plays a huge part in that for sure. and it's all strobe too. Yeah. Which is strobes in a horror movie are always going to like, they're always gonna get me a little on edge. I'm not gonna lie. Also, wasn't the str effect part of Helen's death too, with the fireworks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Look at that. I'm so smart. So smart, so smart. But yeah, Julie gets the fuck outta the club though. She's not feeling it. No, no, no, no. Yeah, she, she dips, she leaves Will hanging. She does. Mm-hmm. And then what happens next? What happens next is. How do I deal by Jennifer? Love Heit Starts playing. Wait, her, wait. Her own song was her own song. I did not catch that. I feel like this movie is kind of a plug for her transition into being a popular. Exactly. And you pick it up throughout the whole movie. Yeah. Kind of like, girl, this is just a very, very like soft but hard push. Shame for your career. Oh, it's shameless. It is Shameless. Come on. And I thought what was funny is that you actually had an established singer already, Brandy, but yet she doesn't sing at all in this movie. It's all about Jennifer Love Hewitt. Mm-hmm. Which I thought was kind of funny. It, yeah, it is kind of funny. But you know, Brandy already has like her herself established. That's true. So maybe they were just trying to like Yeah. Bump her up a little bit. See, Carla is such a good friend. Carla's a great friend. Carla is a great friend. I will push back my pop career. Yeah. For you to shine. For you to shine. Jay, love Hugh. Oh. So, uh, this is the next morning. We have some shoes in the dryer. That's Carla's other flaw. She has two flaws. She puts her shoes in the dryer and she wants will to be in Julie's life. To be, yeah. To be part of the crew. Yeah. But the shoes in the dryer is another foreshadowing. It is absolutely a thousand percent. We'll get to that one in a bit. But they get a call from the radio station. Now, correct me if I'm dumb, but I'm pretty sure when it comes to like radio station contests, you're the one that calls in. Am I right or am I stupid? No, you're right. That's how it works.'cause like why would they call you? Exactly.'cause they have like, they could call anyone, but that's what happens here. The radio station calls them and is just like, Hey, we're gonna get a, we have a, a giveaway. What's the capital of Brazil? And they look at a fucking bag of coffee and they're like Rio de Janeiro. And he's like, did you say Rio? Well, you just won. Oh my God. I'm just like, okay. Do y'all not think it's just a little bit fishy, huh? That the radio station calls you? Like, am I the only one that would be like, this is a scam? I mean, I wasn't thinking that when I watched it. I was there with the audience, or maybe it was just my own little world when that plot was happening, I went, really? Yeah, I, I watched this in theaters back in 1998. You were the I was in the, I was in that seat with my little sister. You are the ideal audience for this movie. Yeah. Just believing everything. I'm kind of gullible. Like, if you tell me that it happened, I'm like, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It totally happened. Let's do it. I did not believe it right away. Really? Yeah. I was like, this smells fishy. I was like, okay. So obviously they're being set up, but why The Bahamas? That was where my brain was. Oh. Because, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's like who, uh. It just, it doesn't make logical sense. I mean, people win things every day. Yeah. But they, they win things, trying to win things. These two girls, were not trying to win anything. They get a phone call telling them that they won something. Do you think the radio station is just picking up their phone, dialing random as numbers and just being like, hello? Do you listen to our radio station? anyway, I have a possible prize for you. No. Oh, I guess you're right. I just, I have questions. I have questions. That was your response. If you, Hey, we're gonna wait. Hold up. Yeah. I have questions for you. I'm just like, excuse me. I'm sorry. You're, are you live on the radio right now? Let me take a listen. I would've fucking turned on the radio station and listened to myself win. Oh wow. I'm narcissistic like that. You are? Yeah. I would've been like, everybody turn on 98.3. And listen to me. Went a little trip to The Bahamas. And then when I realized that it didn't happen, I'd be like, hold on. Well, we can definitely tell who the telemarketers probably target. Anyway, I smell a stunt. But that's what happens. They win a trip to The Bahamas and Julie wants Ray to go,'cause it's four tickets. They win four tickets. And Carla's like, mm. Who? Who am I gonna, who am I gonna choose? Yeah. So Carla. Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah. Carla's like messing with her and like my cousin, my sisters, and she was like, me. Me. Yeah. So Carla picks Julie, her boyfriend Tyrell. Mm-hmm. And then Julie wants to bring Ray. And when she calls Ray, Ray is being a little bitch about it. Oh no. Make up work. But he lied about that. He did. He didn't have work. His friend Dave is just like, it's so fucking slow. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're turning down a free trip to The Bahamas. But it's a bigger thing because Ray wants to propose to Julie. I'm so over straight. People proposing to each other to fix their problems. I am over it. I'm sorry. Is that what you guys do? I mean, I, I feel like it's the, oh, we are, we're having problems. Let's get married. Let's have kids. That'll solve it. No, that's not gonna solve anything. That's gonna make things worse. How about we communicate our feelings? How about we actually talk? I don't think, I don't think true people work like that. I don't. I know it's annoying. It's just like, I'm like, you are, there's so much conflict in your relationship. Julie literally runs away from you almost every time you have a conversation and you wanna put a ring on it and you think that's gonna fix it. Well, I feel like straight people, whenever they want to fix a problem, they have to do something rather than talking about it. Which comes up later on in this movie. It does. I also, it does, and it's like, it's always like this. I, when we come to the, the hotel, I have this theory. Okay. That I have a theory. I have that it's a demon. A dancing demon. Something doesn't, oh my God, that would be so cool if there was a dancing demon in the hotel. Oh, that would be fun. That would be really fun. That would be fun. I still know what you did last summer. The musical. The musical. I'll be, I kind of want to see, I kind of, I would watch that. I wanna see that. I'm not gonna lie. I would watch that If there is an, I know you still that if I know you did last summer, the musical, I would definitely watch it. Oh yeah, absolutely. That would be sold out. Yeah. Immediately. I would definitely watch anyway. We Oh, right. Anyway. Um, yes, but I have a theory, that everyone at the hotel is gay. I hope so. The people that come to the hotel are straights. Ah, so the whole, the, the deeper level of this hotel is gaze versus straights. And the straight people are coming to their territory. I'm very interested to hear that. See, I might be ditsy, but when I have my thinking cap on, I think through our Lord in Christ, all things are possible. I have it through scripture. Mm. So, he's gonna propose Oh yeah. And do that stupid thing. Oh, and that's, oh, and that's when we, uh, Dave, yes. Because Dave says some, Dave says something really, really funny. Tell me. So when he shows off the ring to his bestie on the boat. Mm-hmm. Dave goes, oh, I need a little time to think about it. Mm-hmm. He plays into the gay thing. Yeah. And then he also says, oh, Ray, you need to surprise her. This is the perfect opportunity for you to surprise her. Do you think Dave is gay? Yep. Honestly, that's the thing, because he, I can see it because he didn't really like. do the dude thing where like, oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Julie's hot. Mm-hmm. In fact, he makes a little gay joke. Mm-hmm. But then also gives Ray advice, thoughtful advice. Thoughtful advice on how to win Julie over. Hmm. So that's gives me a little question mark about Dave. That's a good point.'cause I didn't, I didn't necessarily read him as queer, but I mean, it's all like, they don't tell us anything about him really. You know, it's just a little like nudge. I'm just like, that's interesting. Yeah. Like looking at the movie through a queer perspective, I'm like, yeah. S like, hmm, this is like, and because it's a working town, like there's not all gays are like us. No, no, no, no, no. There's some that are like very, I mean, why like rugged and like working girls and by working girls, I mean men on the top. So, yeah. So I mean, it's not like, it's not out of the question, it's not impossible. It's one of those things where in the nineties, I don't think. They would think to depict a gay man like that though. No, no, no. But you can read it as queer. Mm-hmm. Because he's like that, that that gay bf that's just like, this is how you're gonna win. This girl did just silent burp. We're talking about Dave here. We are talking about Dave. I do like Dave though.'cause Dave convinces Ray to, to go. Yes, exactly. Yes. And the, and he even goes so far as to drive with him in the car, in the vehicle singing a white snake. He does see gay. So this is, and he sings it well too. He does sing it well. Yeah. He hits that false setup. Yep. this, movie was the first time I heard. Here I go again by white snake. So every time I hear it, my brain jumps back to this movie. Interesting. Yeah. I just think of that girl doing flips on the, the car. Have you ever seen the music video? Oh, uh, what's her face? Tawny. Tony? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tawny. Oh, she has such a hot name and I can't remember it. Tawny something or other. Yeah, she's fierce as fuck. Yeah, she is, but also another like gay moment. We didn't want to be her, honestly. Oh, riding on the hood of white sex car. Yeah. Honestly, that's what Dave was thinking that he wanted to be on. Could you imagine Dave? God just like, oh, this is Dave's side story is that he was going into the car and he was like, oh, this is my moment. This is my moment. I'm gonna play this song. I'm gonna dance on this roof. Raise mine. Yes. Oh gosh. That's in my head anyway. That's in your head. Yeah. That's, that's the head cannon. Listen, I come up with head canon like that all the time. You know, in my mind, Marty Marino and Mama Karen from Child's play one Totally got it on. Is it Fact? No, but in my brain it is. So I'm with you here. Okay. I'm with you here. Unfortunately though for Dave, he's not long for this world. they get stopped on the side of the road and Ray's like, oh, I have to go out and investigate. He's getting flashbacks the first time. So he is like, oh, and what's on the, it's like a car that's stopped. There seems to be a body on the road. So Ray goes out to investigate. He's really, really nervous and what's on the floor, but a fisherman, a fisherman's body. He's like, oh man, it's happening again. Like red lights are in his face. He, he's starting to panic and stuff, and he turns the body around. It's a dummy. It's a mannequin. I wonder if it's from shivers. I wonder if this is the mannequin that he pulled off of the floor. The mannequin. It's the mannequin that he pulled off of the floor to replace during the shivers chase scene. Last movie, IJI just, no, that's real. I think so. That's what he did. How the hell would he got this fucking mannequin? I mean, mannequins aren't really that hard to find. Oh. But I just think it's more interesting to think like, oh yeah, this is from the department store. This is from shivers. Yeah. Head cannon. so he finds the, the mannequin from shivers on the floor. Turns it around. He turns around. He's like, it's a trap. I don't know if he says that, but his face definitely says that. Yeah. He knows something's up. Yeah, he knows something's up. Then right there, the fisherman comes out and hooks Dave and drags him out. Underneath the jaw. It's very sad. Drags him right out of the car. Yeah. And then gets into the car. The fisherman really likes hooking people underneath the jaw, and he really likes running people down with cars because that's what he does. He runs Ray off of the road. He does. He doesn't try to finish the job though. He just like, lets him do his thing and it's very reminiscent of the first two kills. Yeah, exactly. I was like, ah, mm-hmm. So, like Ray does end up getting away and by getting away he, like, he falls off a cliff. Yeah. And ends up in the hospital Ray's side. Quest is weird. But because Ray's in the hospital, Julie was still holding out hope that he was gonna come through. Yeah. Because he, I, because the, the whole idea of why they were driving was to go to, to Julie's because they were on surprise her too. Yeah. Yeah. So she didn't know that he was coming. He just said that he was going to try. Mm-hmm. As far as she knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But he wanted to surprise her, but instead falls off the side of the cliff. Mm-hmm. Almost gets run over. So obviously he doesn't show up. Obviously not. And so who comes to take his place? Thanks Carla. Will the Wonder Bread. Yeah. Less than Wonder Bread Will. Wonder Bread Benson. That's an important detail. It's a stupid detail is what that is. Will's a little bitch. He hates planes. He does. Yeah. He was throwing up the whole time. Yeah. And I'm not saying that anybody out there who hates flying is a little bitch. I love you all. I just will's a little bitch. Specifically. Carly even says some people were just not meant to fly. Yeah. Some people were just not meant to fly. Mm-hmm. Will is one of'em. Oh. And then it's so funny because that gets thrown right back because when they're on the boat, Tyrell is throwing up and will's just like some people just weren't meant to sail. Aha. Nudge. Nudge, nudge fucker. They make it to The Bahamas. It's a beautiful day. It is a beautiful day. And we get the, the character dump. We get to meet Derek the Dockhand. We meet Jack Black, our walking appropriation neon sign guy. Mm-hmm. Um, who else do we meet? We meet Jeffrey Combs. We meet the, he's the Mr. Brooks. Yeah. Mr. Brooks. And then Estes Estes Yeses. Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. So in this moment when they're, this is an interesting detail. I'm like, where'd this go? Mm-hmm. So when they arrive on the island and they meet Mr. Brooks, there's that dog. Remember the dog barking? I did not see a dog. There's a dog barking and tyrell's like, whoa, let calm the dog down, Uhhuh. So I'm just like, where'd the dog go? I see, I see. maybe the dog got killed. Maybe because it's Mr. Brooks's dog. It's like a Doberman, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Now I remember. Now I remember. So that's why I'm like, where'd this dog go? Very inconsequential. Yeah. I don't know why she, you could have cut that. Yeah. No need to have a dog there, but my gay investigation of this hotel mm-hmm. When they were asking Mr. Brooks about the hotel and the history of it. Mm-hmm. He mentions that Judy Garland has stayed at the hotel. Now. What kind of straight would remember? Oh, well, Judy Garland stayed at our hotel. This is my sign. Maybe that Mr. Brooks. Could he, a little friend of Dorothy? Very well. Could be. Mm-hmm. Anyone else? Oh, yes. Oh, so I, I, I feel a thesis. I feel that everyone at this hotel is gay. Okay. Build your case. So we have Mr. Brooks. Yes. If we look at it, he mentions Judy Garland. Yes, he does. And every time he's summoned to do something, he's like, Ugh, ugh. He's like, do I have to? He is a queen. And the fact that he's the manager, most managers are already gay. Being a former manager, honestly, though, you're not wrong. Always the gay. Yeah. The gay is always the manager.'cause we're always the one who needs to do everything quickly. Yeah. We wanna make sure everything's taken care of. Yeah. So we could just sit. Okay. You know what, I'm with you there. And another thing too, another interesting detail to build my case, why everyone at this hotel is queer. Mm-hmm. Is because it's off season. So people, the regular staff are with their families? Ah, yes. These people do not have families. Yes. Heathens. We don't have a home to go to. They just have each other. Okay. So that's one. That's one. That's one. Okay. Um, Estes. Okay. Another gay. I consider him a sassy old gay. A sassy old gay. Okay. Because number one, he asks like, oh, so why are you here? And they're like, oh, we won a contest. And he's like, what kind of contest? You know, he's, he's like sassy about it. He is kind of sassy. Yeah. And then like. They, they reveal the, the question like, what's the capital of Brazil Uhhuh. And they like real baby. Yeah. And in Estess head, he already knows what He knows they're wrong. Yeah. And what, what is his initial response? Mm-hmm. Good for you girl. Mm-hmm. That's okay. Good for, good for you girl. And sassy side eyes. Does he say good for you girl? Yeah. Oh, he says, good for you girl. Great. Okay. And the whole time when they're having this interaction with him, he's giving sassy side-eye and little remarks. Fair. Okay. Okay. So that's my, that's my, my, my case for Estes Uhhuh to be a a, a queer. Um, I'm on board. We're stereotyping here. Yeah, we are stereotyping, but it's the nineties. It's everything was a stereotype in the nineties. Yeah. Nancy, the bartender. Yes. Definitely queer. I'm getting, I think so. I'm getting Les SBO vibes. Yeah, she is very queer coded, which,'cause when she was talking to the dudes, Uhhuh, she's really, really mean to them. Oh, she hates men. A line that I remember, is the guys Tyrell and will ask, oh, if everyone's out of town, why are you still here? She goes, none of your business. Mm-hmm. And they then push her. Have any man troubles? Mm. And she goes, I shot him. I remember that. But then when the girls come up, she softens up a little bit. Yeah. She's kind of sweet. Yeah, she's kind of sweet. Yeah. I like Nancy a lot. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's one of my favorites. I'm, I'm with you there. I've always seen her as queer coded. Absolutely. And then like another, minor character of the dock guy Derek. Yeah. Derek. Now, at first I'm like, okay, how am I gonna work this guy into this? That, that everyone on staff is square. Yeah. I'm curious to know how you do this. The name Derrick, the Dockhand, he's cast as Derrick the Dockhand. And it's not even D-E-R-I-C-K, it's D-A-R-I-C-K, extra gay. That's a stretch. But all. I'll allow it. That's obviously like my last piece of evidence for my essay. And then I'm gonna hit you with like, really, really big ones. And then also just this one, just to help my case. Okay. Let's, let's take a moment to talk about your argument construction. Yeah. Yeah. Why the fuck would you end on a weak note? I would've ended on Nancy. Am I right people? Do you wanna end on the thing that you're not certain about? No. You bury that in the middle and then you're gonna end with something strong. Oh, that is good. So you should have done that. Here's what you should have done. You should have been like, this is Mr. Brooks. This is Estes Derek. And this is Nancy. You hide that shit. Oh, that would've been a stronger argument. It's okay. Well, obviously this is the first draft. It really does look like the fucking Declaration of Independence. Oh my gosh. I just like writing things on, on, like, this is like pretty Listen, I support you. So they get their rooms and we find out that they are staying in the honeymoon. Suite 2 0 1 and 2 0 2 2 2. Jeffrey Comb seems a little shook by this Mr. Brooks. He's, he is like, oh oh 2, 0 1 and 2 0 2. Mm-hmm. They're like, why, why? He's like saying There are honeymoon suites, gay. And Yeah, that's true. And it's funny because why would you make him seem to not tell'em? Because, well, he also knows what happened in those rooms. He has to know the history of that place. Oh, he's like, oh, the last time somebody was in these rooms, he probably came with a building. That's true. That's probably true. Carla and Ty are excited about the honeymoon suite because they want, fuck, they could get it on. They want to get it on. Julie, on the other hand, who is not feeling will, is just like, which is my response. I'd been like, do you just can, is there another room you can put him in? It's the off season, right? Yeah. It's off season. They're not being used. Like just do a girl a favor. She could have done that. She could have, but she didn't. No, no, but, but like boring. Well, was like, oh no. I could sleep on the couch. I'm like, oh my God. Like, well, he's playing nice guy. He's trying to Oh, he's trying to. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to Trojan horse. That shit an illusion. Yeah. Oh, whatever. We also find out this is the off season because everyone's like starting to leave and, it's just that minimal staff, like you said. Um, It's like their off season. It's their version of winter. Yeah. Yeah. As Mr. Brooks explained it. Yes. Very sassy. Excuse me. You know what winter is, right? You know what winter is? Yeah. It's like that, but it's ours. This is what, you know, Mr. Brooks is the Queenies character. You know what winter is? Hmm. You know, every time she walks in, in his mind he is like, stupid girl. Yeah. Let's get some shoes. Anyway, I'm just gonna blow past all the race stuff'cause he's in the hospital. Oh my. He leaves the hospital. The one, the one note I wanna say about the hospital scene go is the nurse. What about the nurse? Tell me, because the nurse is, uh, quite a lesbian. Oh, see, I didn't notice her. Yeah. I'm like, now that I'm looking at things through a queer perspective, look at us changing lives here on the horror icon channel. I literally clock everything gay. Perfect. But that nurse, I think she was a little, she was a little gay. She was a little team. She was a little gay. Yeah. I love the delivery of, oh, what, what, where was it? Oh, SBO Nurse. LOLI got a flat line. Room three. Just flatlined. And she delivers it just like that. That straight to the point. Yeah, straight to the point. Okay. So we have a queer, that's it. A queer nurse. Yeah. Good for her. I mean, not a, not like a possibly more head cannon. Not a like a juicy piece of evidence. Listen, I just like, Hey, this is my first draft. You're just trying to make everybody, yay. That's the, that's the agenda. You mean this everyone's gay? You mean this gay agenda? Everyone's gay. Everyone's gay and everyone recycles everyone hand writes things on their old packaging that came with their packages. That's the gay agenda. Mama, you have great penmanship though. Look at that. Thank you. Wait a second. Why? Hold on. I need to put that to the camera. Okay. For those of you who aren't watching the video, Richard's penmanship looks just like the fishermen's from, I still know what you did last summer. Are you the fucking fishermen? Are you gonna kill me by the end of this? What the fuck? I don't know what you mean. Was that intentional or is this really how you write? This is really how I write fucking murderer. Murderer. Maybe the fisherman is gay. Anyway, so they get all settled in and this is when we meet Nancy. They're at this empty ass bar and Nancy is fucking first off. She's so hot. She is so hot, y'all. And I love that she doesn't give a fuck'cause she's eating like an orange wedge while reading. oh yeah, I wrote down bartender. Nancy is catty as fuck. Yeah. I shot him. Good for you, girl. But yeah, they're all hanging out. Carl's like, what do you guys do for fun around here? She says, I make fun of tourists, or I let them make fun of themselves. That's the line. And then that's the karaoke bit. And I love how when Jennifer Love Hewitt starts singing and it's her real vocals, Nancy's like, everyone's a fucking singer. But I also love that like the initial look like, Ooh, Like Jennifer Love Hewitt's like publicist or like team is like, we have to like acknowledge that she's like a good singer. Like it even startles Nancy A. Little bit. Do you think that it's kind of those, one of those things where when Pepsi buys their way into a movie, they're like, you have to show the label Jennifer Love Hewitt's. Just like you have to show my music. A hundred percent good for her, a hundred, good for her. Get that free publicity on someone else's budget. Girl. I also just love like her body language when she starts singing.'cause she's like, oh, oh, I'm so, I'm so shy. Oh, I'm so coy. Oh, but the vocals that comes out, she's not shy, she's fucking confident she is. But somehow while she's karaoking, I don't know the science behind this as she's singing, nobody else is looking at the screen. They're all laughing. They're Kiki. Julie's so good. And on the fucking karaoke screen it says, I still know how, how did he do that? How? How, how did he do that? Because A, those things are pre-programed. Yeah. Right? Pre-programmed. Yeah. Yeah. And so if he pre-programmed it with, I still know, how did he know that she was gonna sing? I Will Survive. Or did he go through every song in the fucking catalog and put, I still know somewhere in there. And how did he do it so quickly? It's, yeah. And like at the that time in the song? Yeah. And then like everyone looks away, including Nancy. Yeah. See it's a little suss. Yeah. This is one of those things where I'm like, maybe she is crazy. Maybe she's seeing things'cause that just does not track. No. Oh, Yeah, she gets scared. She goes upstairs. Ben leaves her a fucking note in the same handwriting. That same ass handwriting. She gets scared by him and it's just like a whole cluster fuck. Oh my God. The roses were dropped. He then picks up a rose and like caresses her with it. I'm like, that was just in broken glass. He's fucking gross. I don't like him. Let's move on. I did notice the bananas in the basket. Well, yeah. They were just like a perfect yellow and they were really tasty.'cause I like, like yellow, yellow bananas when they're kind of freckly. Yeah. Oh, me too. Yeah. Oh, oh my God. Yeah, when they're just like a little bit into fermentation. Yes, yes. Yeah. Same. That was the perfect banana. Yeah. Soft. Fantastic. Soft. Yeah. Yeah. It's soft and sweet. Yeah. I like that too. That's, that's it. Well, I guess they have good taste when it comes to bananas. Fantastic. That's gay too. That's so gay. That hotel is gay. Bananas. Mm-hmm. Gay. Another thing that I love, I don't know if this is queer per se, but I just love The bait and switch of it. When we're outside of Carla and Tyrell's room, we hear the bed, um, uh, we hear the bed jumping up and down. We hear the bed springs going and we hear exactly. And we cut to the room and Carla's just jumping on the bed like a fucking school girl. I love that shit. I thought it was so, I stupid love it so much. Really? I thought it was so dumb. No, I think it's fun. Why do you think it's dumb? I wrote it in my notes. I just, just say it's dumb. Carla Tyrell's. Sex dumb. Carl, listen, I guess I had nothing else to say. Listen, if you are not down with Carla's whimsy, so be it. You got this big ass bed and you get to jump on it. I would jump on it. I mean, yeah. Yeah. And then she wants to go to the hot tub. She does.'cause she had bought a bath suit for a hundred dollars. Yep. And she wants to show it off. Exactly. So they go to the hot tub. When does Derek die? Oh yeah. Derek dies before this. Yeah, let's get that. Yeah. Yeah, he does. Derek, he like tries to get the boat back in. Mm-hmm. Gets knocked off. And then he dies. The fishermen. Yep. Kills poor Derek. Derek, the Dockhand. Derek the Dockhand. Yes. And then so Carla and Tyrell are in the hot tub. Obviously Tyrell's trying to get busy. He's trying to get the dick wet and fucking Jack Black comes up out of the pool with a joint in his mouth. How it should have been wet. Again. So this is why I think it's just Hyperbolic. Like it is so exaggerated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's camp. It's camp. It's fucking camp. So he interrupts them and he's also like trying to deal, he's like, if you need anything, I got you. Mm-hmm. And then he leaves and then will comes in and cock blocks. Poor Tyrell. All he wants to do is fuck. That's all he wants to do. I don't blame him when I'm on vacation, that's one of the first things I want to do too. I'm like, we have this hotel room, we have this beautiful bed. Let's do it. And then we can get food and then we can go to the hot tub. But no, I'd rather get food first. No, I can't. It's a problem for me. I don't like having sex with food in my stomach. Oh, no, no, no, no. I mean, I would just eat food and go to bed. Oh, that's fine. Oh, so after that, Julie, this,'cause I don't know how this timeline all makes sense. Julie is in the shower and then she goes into the closet and Derek the document and is he's in there? He's in there dead He's hanging. He's like hung. Yeah. I'm like, girl, dark. But he's in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's definitely in there. But when she goes to grab the queen, Mr. Brooks, and he comes in and his selfie, oh my God. His sassy little robe outfit. His outfit. Yeah. Yeah. He has a great robe. Derek's gone and he's just like little stupid girl. Stupid, stupid girl. He's like, what the fuck did you call me in here for? He reads her down. Yeah. He is over it. I get it. Actually, I totally see what you're talking about when you like start looking at him as like that kind of bitter gay, gay guy. Mm-hmm. It all makes sense. It does. He doesn't want to be here either. He is like, ugh, these straits, or he wants to be there, but he doesn't want them to be there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. he invited the whole, the, the main island over for a circuit party, but now he can't'cause he has to work. Yeah, he's done with her shit, but nobody else believes her either. No one is just like, yes, we believe you, Julie. But they end up all sleeping in the same bed together because she is so scared. Talk about, you said you love this scene. I love this moment because it kind of plays into like a little three-way nudge. Nudge because there's like that overhead scene and like Tyrell's in the middle. Yeah. And then Carla's on the side and then will's on the side on the other side side and like very affectionate and tamra's like, oh my God. Get off me. That's true. Yeah. I thought that was just kind of cute. It was. There's a lot of playing gay for joke in this movie. There is. Which like as a, as a young gay guy watching, I thought it was kind of cute. I was like, oh, ha ha. I don't hate it. Trust. There's worst things that you can play. Like there's worse ways that you can play queerness for a joke. Yeah. So this playful little thing, whatever. Yeah, that's fine. Hold on.. When does Jack Black Die? Oh, I, we missed this. Jack Black died the night before. Jack Black gets killed by the fish, by the fishermen with a pair of shears. And I love, he's like, no, seriously, dude. Don't do that. Don't do that, dude, bro. Don't do seriously, don't do that. It's so fucking funny. Oh, it's so funny because the thing is like, when the fisherman like hooks his head, his first reaction is. God damnit. it's so over the top. It's so stupid. It really is. But I also love that the fishermen went shopping for his weapon. Yeah. He's like going through He's like, oh, these guard, these garden shear. These shearers. Yeah. Right in the chest. So Jack Black dies and then that's when we get into the morning. Before we move, move, oh, I know exactly where before, I wrote this note. Mm-hmm. The plants of this movie. Oh, of course. Of course. Okay. Tell me about it. The person. Okay. The, there are some wins and some loses. Loses. Losses. Losses, yeah. Losses in this movie. In terms of the plants. So the first plant that I clocked, okay, was the cannabis plant Uhhuh in Jack Black's room, Uhhuh, because he's growing cannabis. He's like, Ooh, goody little babies. Of course, whoever made those cannabis plants, those look horrible. That's not even how they look. And they look obviously plastic. Oh, really? They didn't look, and that's not, and that's not enough light. That is not enough light to support those plants to that height. So automatically, I've already been removed from the movie because of that scene. You tell'em, just letting you know. Tell'em, just letting you know. You can at least put some grow lights on or like a tent or something. Yeah. But as someone who works in the horticultural field, ha. Noted. Noted. Tell something. Something's fishy. Okay. So the cannabis plants. Thumbs down. Cannabis plants, thumbs way down. That is not what cannabis looks like. Boot. Boot. Boom. Thank you for, thank you for calling that out. Yeah. No, it's what I, it's kind of like the annoying thing that I do when I watch movies is that is the accuracy of the plants, the accuracy of the plants. I always look at the plants. That's fair. And the things is that if the plants aren't correct, I'm taken out of the movie experience because I know it's a set, like of course everything that makes sense. Everything is a set. But for someone who like really, really pays attention to these details Yeah. I'm like, oh, this is not real. Absolutely. This is not real. I'm with you there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some things that take me out of it too. Not necessarily. I don't look at plants'cause I don't know enough about plants. I kill my plants, unfortunately. Yep. We've talked about this. Also, Olga dies somewhere. Oh yeah. O dies the deer the day before Olga dies. After the DOCman. Derek, the DOCman. Yeah. She's just trying to do her job. Yeah, she was, she didn't really, yeah. Poor baby. Died. She gets killed. She like finds some bloody sheets. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.'cause she, yeah. She dies after Derek. Yeah.'cause she finds the bloody sheets after the whole situation. Maybe to justify why the dog isn't there. Is that the dog's in that, that hamper just so I can make some peace with the dog. At some point the dog had, the dog has, yeah. Because it disappears because the dog would be freaking out. Yeah. But they did smart because they didn't kill the dog on screen. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people hate that. Oh, people would, does the dog die.com? We need to know. And then this is when the storerooms, the, the storm rolls through, shit starts getting real. It gets rainy, it gets thunderous, it gets windy. Yes, yes, yes. And then we see Estes doing something with, with Julie's toothbrush. Mm-hmm. Because for some reason they're trying to make Estes a red herring and we're back. But yeah, they're trying to make ss a red herring and I don't understand why, because we already know because, oh, this kind of, this kind of goes back to your idea of the first movie of kind of villainizing things. Yes. And this is what brings back my kind of like Catholicism idea. Mm-hmm. Is that Yeah, I know exactly where you're gonna go with this. You know where I'm going, right? Yeah, yeah. This path is good. This path is wrong. So they villainize the people who have alternate or, or a different religion. Then what the religion would be in Seaport or Shore Port, wherever the fuck they're from. Southport. Southport. Yeah. I'm with you there. You know what I mean? Like, oh, he's the bad one. He's practicing Voodoo. He's the evil one. Anyone who has listened to the child's play series knows how I feel about Voodoo as a plot device when played seriously. Mm-hmm. Eventually in child's play they get really campy with it and that's fine, but when, like you are seriously using Voodoo as a plot device, as an evil plot device, I, or even if, if you're trying to represent it that way. Mm-hmm. Even if, just for a moment'cause plot twist, he's trying to help them. Yeah, exactly. It pisses me off. I feel like it's damaging and I'm with you there because that, you know, organized religion, the, the purity of the guilt stricken Catholics being put on such a high ground, whereas you have like these more Afrocentric. Belief systems and practices and you're vilifying that. Yeah. It's very similar. Yeah. It's, it, it's, it's, it's, I'm not with it. Yeah. I'm not crazy about how they treat Estes in this movie. No. They treated him really poorly and he was honestly the one who knew everything. Yeah. He knew exactly what to do. Mm-hmm. He also knew how to play the game in order to protect those fuckers. Yeah.'cause he's, uh, we see him like doing like some practice with the toothbrush and Carla's. Hair tie, hair tie, even tyrell's chain, like Tyrell's chain, but who isn't included Will Benson for good reason fucker. Anyway. He's like trying to protect them. And this is where I get into the whole, like, it's not, direct like on the nose mystical negro, but it is because he's the one that provides the backstory. Mm-hmm. He's the one that gives our protagonist what they need to be able to go on and defeat whom is, is, is going after them I just hate that. I know. Yeah. It's not my favorite thing. It's not my favorite thing at all. But this is where we get, I really like this scene when Carla's at the gym, So yeah, the girls decide to have like a little gym sesh. Yes. While the boys are trying to What were they doing out there? I don't know. They just ran off guys being guys. Yeah. Carla sees this industrial sized dryer and this is where the shoes come back.'cause she hears like the, and uh, she's like, damn, she's gonna have a lot of shoes in there. But it ends up being the body of Olga. Yeah. What is the, it's Olga's body. Oh. And while this happens, Julie gets fucking locked into a tanning bed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Which, uh, A zip tie. A zip tie. Yeah. Why didn't she just try to slide through the bottom though? Because it's open on both ends. There's a lot of questions with this zip tie scene because like when Tyrell will and Carla go to her aid, they're like trying to like smash open this, this thing. But all you got to do is just turn down the dial. Yeah, just turn it down. Step, step one. Just turn it off. Step one. I don't know I'm with you there, but they end up breaking her out of there, and then Julie runs into the rain and then she lets, she catches them up on all of her trauma finally. And they're just like, what the fuck? They're like, you didn't tell, you didn't think that it was important for us to know that you, like, he's actually not dead, that you covered up a murder and the person that you almost killed is coming after you and you brought us with you and then Carla's like, Julie, I thought I, I thought I was your best friend. How could you do this girl? Yeah, yeah. Carla's disappointed. They go into the hotel and then they find, the voodoo layer of Estes and they're, that's when they think, oh, he's fucking with us automatically. And the thing is, is that Julie knows that Estes has nothing to do with it. Exactly. She's defended him multiple times.'cause even on the doc, I think that Tyrell was like, it's that guy. It's that guy I knew I had like a bad vibe about. And Julie's like, no, it's not him. Yeah. She knows immediately it's not him then why shouldn't, it has nothing to do with it. Why didn't she defend him harder? Because they're just like, it's your toothbrush, Julie. It's Carla's hair tie. It's my necklace. Notice though, the only person to take something away from that alter is Tyrell. Put that in your brain and we'll come back to it. Yeah. Oh my God. Because he takes his necklace back. But Carla doesn't take her hair tie. No. Or the toothbrush. And Julie doesn't take her toothbrush. I didn't even clock that. Mm-hmm. And I wrote notes. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. So that happens. And then they go to find Mr. Brooks, and this is where they find him dead. Oh. In his office with a fucking machete in the face. And it's written in blood. I still know. I still know. And then they bump into Estes. So Julie sees a globe just casually spinning in the middle of this lobby. And this is when Julie realizes that this was a setup.'cause Estes comes up and he's like, Brasilia is the, so we find out that the capital of bra brazilia is not in fact Rio, it is Brasilia. You dumb bitch. And so they find out that this whole thing was a setup and then. Of course Estes gives us all of the information we need. Apparently Ben Willis from last movie used to work here, used to work here with his wife and his two children. We're led to believe that he killed his wife and then he, he, he left. It, it's a convoluted shoehorned ass thing. It was, they, he like, he had to explain everything within like a minute. I just want to know it. When they were writing this movie, what made them be like, yes, this is the plot that makes the most sense. We're gonna go to The Bahamas and this fisherman from North Carolina is going to have worked at this resort in The Bahamas. It was definitely a stretch. It's, there's like so many other places they could go. There's so many other ways. Like, yeah, I would've been fine with the whole movie being like, no, let's go back to where it all started. Or if it was in Boston or something. If on her college campus. I just wanna know what did they start with? Did they start with, we're going to do this in The Bahamas and we're gonna figure out how we get there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or we're just gonna, Ben Willis, we're gonna give a little bit of a backstory and just somehow, I don't know. It's so weird how we got here. It could have been just like one of those things where production just wanted a vacation. They're like, oh, we just want to go to a destination. Maybe they just had like, uh, somebody owed a favor and they're just like, you can use my, my hotel. Well, actually, they filmed this in Mexico. Mexico, yeah, I saw that. I saw it in the cred. It's, yeah, it's, it's weird. But that's basically the whole thing. Everybody, Ben Willis. Used to work at this resort. Mm-hmm. Killed his wife and then left with his children. And now we're back. Yeah. And what a horrible person. I know. He's a fucking nightmare. He's petty. What did the wife do? She probably looked at another man. Not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. Wait a minute. Well, does that mean that everyone at the hotel knows what happened? Well, I mean, I don't know.'cause this was a long time ago. That's Estes. Es is the old oldest one. Yeah. Olga. I feel like Olga. Olga might have known. Olga. Might've known, yeah. Mr. Brook. Mr. Brooks probably wasn't there, but he wanted to know the tea. But he knew the tea'cause because it all happened in the, the rooms that they're staying in the hotel suites. Oh yeah. That's who knew? Because that's how, that's'cause they used to hear them fighting and stuff in there. Oh wow. Straight people, dude. Yeah. Gosh. Ruining everyone's time. Yeah. And then this is when, oh, Estes takes them to the little graveyard. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And this is where we see, like we see the wife's grave, and then there's a dugout grave with fucking Julie James spray painted on a fucking headstone. And this is where we get her rainy, dramatic. and she's in the rain and she's doing her What you, I think when I was watching in theaters, everyone did kind of like a giggle and a collective eye roll. Yeah. Because it was just like, okay. It's like we're doing this shit again. Okay, fine. It's all, it's it, it's obviously an homage to the first movie, but it's done. So cheesily. It's very cheesily. Yeah. Yeah. Very cheesily. Yeah. Whatever. They go back, back. Oh, wait, I, yeah, we accept it. Yeah. Why not? They go back inside. and then we find Nancy in the closet. Oh yeah. It's actually a pantry, but. It's a closet. She was in the closet. She was in the closet. Yep. She came out with a rolling pin handy beating the shit out of Tyrell. Yeah. She's just like, you're the one that broke into my hiding spot. Go find your own spot to hide. That's a New Yorker right there. Yeah.'cause she found all the dead bodies at this point. So she's playing this smart, she's like, all right, I'm gonna fucking hide. No one's gonna hide me in here. I'm gonna be prepared. Say I'm not dying. No. But they lure her out and then, they end up in the kitchen again. Well, this, I, I love this line here. Mm-hmm. They go to the kitchen and then they start arming themselves with weapons. And Carla finds two little knives. Yeah. It's like, what are you gonna do? Butter him Death. It's a butter knife. Whatcha are you gonna do? Butter him? Cut vegetables. And then the next beat Tyrell says, I'm fucking hungry. Yeah. Oh yeah.'cause he's, he's tired of. So this whole time Tyrell has, he's kind of over Julie's shit. Mm-hmm. he just wants to have a good vacation. He wants to bang his girl. Yeah. And like, he just, like, his, his objective during this whole vacation is just to fuck Carla. He is, uh, that's all he wants. He's being driven by his ID this entire time, like his primal self. He wants food, he wants fuck. And so he's like bitching in in the,, kitchen. He's just like, I'm tired, I'm hungry. I'm fucking Hony and I haven't seen this goddamn fisherman. And as soon as he says that poor Tyrell gets a hook through the back of the neck, through his throat. Oh, poor guy. I could have enjoyed it because it was like, well,'cause the thing is I've working in customer service. Okay. I'm used to like this guy kind of, this kind of character type to mouth off. Fair. Yeah. So, you know what I just want, I want, I want, I'm like, oh my God, can you shut up? I guess maybe it's'cause I'm attracted to him. I'm just like, because the, the difference between me and Carl is I would've put out by now, the truth has been revealed. Yeah. The hot you have the hot Sir. Tyrell. Of course I do. He's a handsome guy. He's a very handsome guy. He's handsome. Yeah, he's handsome. Yeah. I don't, I don't like his brain though. I'm not there for his brain. There's only one head that I care about, honey. Sorry. As, as we've discussed, I'm, I'm into like the minds. You're into the thinkers. I'm into the thinkers. Yeah. And I'm into, I'm mean, I like a brain too, don't get me wrong, but sometimes if I'm on vacation, I'm not there to think and study. Oh, I'm study. You don't want gentle curve of his, I mean, see, the whole thing would've been avoided if they did think like that. But nope, nope. He dies. And then we get kind of a cha scene. Well, it is no. Oh no, it, there is a chasing and this one, it's not as good as Sarah Michelle Geller's, but it's still pretty good. It's good, it's good. It's, it centers brandy slash Carla. Mm-hmm. Because they run, they go upstairs. Yep. They're in the attic and they see that the sex mirrors above the beds in the honeymoon suites are one way or two way. No, two way there. Yeah. The CD can see, you can see down into the beds creep. Very, very creepy. I wonder if Mr. Bricks was ever up there. Probably probably hosting sex parties and shit. That's freaking, that's Circuit Queen. Hopefully with consent though. That's disgusting, otherwise. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's hot with consent. Without consent. It's disgusting. But yeah. So they're like walking through the beams. Uhhuh the ceiling isn't very secure. No, no.'cause they were like, whoa, you have to step on the big beams. Yes. And Nancy said that I think, yes. Step on the beams. Follow me. She then she knew she was up there. Probably. Maybe she's the one watching people. I feel like everybody knows. It's like the unspoken secret. The staff. Yeah. Olga. She's like, I'm gonna take a break. Could you imagine? Yeah, exactly. Maybe that's where they take their smoke breaks. I don't know. Who knows? Either way. Nancy knows what's up. Nancy knows to step on the big beams. Yeah. But Carla, Carla misses the fisherman lunges at her, and they both fall through the roof onto God. The bed in the room down below. Oh. And we get another iconic shot. This one was in the trailer too, where Carla's like running from him and she jumps over the balcony just as he swipes his hook and misses her. And she lands on the roof of a greenhouse. I have talk, I have notes. Oh, this is, how much time do we have? Okay. I was ready. Lay it on me. I was like, oh my God, this is a greenhouse. Lay it on me for the, the first layer is that I love that Carla's chasing has elements of Helen's chasing the hook, the jumping over your nick of being hooked with at the feet. Oh, yeah. You do that multiple times with Carla. Yes. Being up in the attic, because Helen pulls herself up into the attic mm-hmm. And broken glass. Mm-hmm. Lots of broken glass. There's so much broken glass in Helen's chasing. Mm-hmm. So, of course, a greenhouse, a house full of glass. Mm-hmm. So she, she starts stepping on the glass. It's like, oh no, there's a crack. Oh no, there's another crack. What do I do? I'm gonna fall backwards. And she falls into my stomping grounds. Yes. The greenhouse. What's wrong with this greenhouse? Okay, so the first thing is that the, that I appreciated that the, the set designer decided to do tree ferns.'cause that was the first fern that I saw. On the sides of Carla as she emerges, which is great. But the thing is, is that the tree fern that you highlighted was Australian tree ferns. You're in Brazil. There is a Brazilian tree fern. So you could have used that instead of the Australian one. They're in The Bahamas. Is there a Bahama tree fern? I don't think so, but hey listen. I'm with you there though. Yes. So listen, your point still stands Brazil's closer to The Bahamas in Australia. Okay, so, well anyways, is that all you got? That was a great set. They did have some philodendrons, lots of palms. Mm-hmm. I think I saw an ABA Cola in the background. That was great. Mm-hmm. I really liked the design. Did you pause it and just like, take inventory? I did. And I had to try. I paused it so many times in that scene. And then I also turned off the lights because like the lighting was dark, so I didn't need to see the plants. So I turned off the lights in my living room so I could analyze each plant in this scene. And it was a lovely greenhouse. I'm glad to hear that. It was a lovely greenhouse. And it was a, it was an accurate greenhouse. It was an accurate greenhouse. It was much better than Jack black's little, oh yeah. No, no, no. Just the Jack Black needed to talk to the gardener. Okay. Yeah. Wasn't he the gardener though? Oh yeah. It was a lovely greenhouse. It's a lovely greenhouse. It was a lovely greenhouse. Not anymore.'cause she smashed through that shit. Smashed through that shit. She falls down, she falls down,, the door is locked back into the, into the hotel. So, and Nancy's like frantically trying to find like the key to unlock her out of the greenhouse. Mm-hmm. And then we get this dramatic extra as fuck shot where the fishermen swings open the doors on the other side and birds fly. It's me. It's so drama. It is so fucking drama. And it's me coming out. Yes. And so instead of, uh, since they can't unlock the door, they break the window and Carla her flexible ass, she just like, fits through this tiny little square. And then like he hooks at her sneakers and she escapes. We have a chase scene where someone survives everybody. Yay. Good. Because I wasn't ready for Carla to die yet. Oh, no, no, no. I fucking love Carla. So they decide that they're gonna go to the storm cellar to hide and wait everything out because that's where they go. Like for emergencies. That's what Mr. Brooks said. Yes. And they find, they find all of the dead bodies down there, which I think is gonna, it's like, so when did they have the time to bring all those dead bodies in there? Like they displayed the bodies mm-hmm. And then brought them back into the south. That south. Well, yeah, because he put the, he put Derek's body in the closet. Oh, Derek was in the closet too, I guess. They put Derek's body in the closet. Oh. Remember, I can't believe you led with like the weakest thing and Well, maybe if you said Derrick was in the closet, it would've been a stronger argument. Well, you know, this should have been a team assignment. Well, it is. That's why I said Derrick's in the closet. Anyway, he had to pull him out because he's like playing tricks. So he's like, okay, I'm gonna put this for Julie. I'm gonna take it back and I'm gonna put it down here.'cause no one's gonna go down here until I want them to. Extra petty. Ah. But Will gets them out. Okay. oh, this is where shit goes from like zero to what the fuck? Like what? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Will gets them out of the storm cellar. Mm-hmm. And we see Estes has been impaled. Oh yeah. Yeah. And Estes is going towards Carla and Nancy. Meanwhile, Julia's with Will, and she's just like, you're covered in blood, but I can't find a wound. And Nancy knew something was up though. Of course Nancy so did Because they kept, they kept, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Both of them did. Yeah, absolutely. What were we gonna say? All right. Well anyway Estes is impaled. He unfortunately falls on top of Nancy. Oh. And the fisherman comes in and shoves the whatever was Impaling Estes into Nancy. Ugh. Rest in peace. That's so sad. That one made me super sad. I know, but you know what? I'm glad that they left this world together. Yeah. Embraced. Embraced by each other, unfortunately. And then Carla, he like swipes at Carla and she like flies back through yet more glass. And she's out. She's done. She is done. Meanwhile, will is just like, don't you get it, Julie? Oh my God, this will Benson. Ben. Ben. So dumb. I fucking hate that. Oh my God. I had to re, I had to rewind that scene just to make sure that I hated it. I hated it right away. I can't believe that was the justification of Benson. That's so lame. He could have just said, I'm Ben's son. Yeah. you know, he was, he had that locked in, ready to go. He was waiting for it. I, he was like, I'm gonna get her, I'm gonna get her, I'm gonna have it right in front of her face the whole time. My last name's gonna be Benson. Ooh. And when I reveal it, it's gonna be a mic drop. But here's the thing, like this guy, this guy apparently is smart enough to do this radio thing to book four tickets To The Bahamas. But yet, when it comes to a, a, a, the reveal, that's what he has. That's it. Yeah. So he snags, Julie drags her to the fucking, the open grave. The open grave. Oh. And Ray shows up finally. cause all this time, all this time, it's been intercut. I forgot. Oh God. I forgot about Ray. It was so stupid. The side quest. The side quest. The side quest, because he like trades in the ring to get a gun. And then he gets on the boat and he sh he shows up and he takes a bus too. Yeah. It's like, which is okay, I want, I, I wrote this in my notes somewhere. Okay. At this point I'm not even looking at my notes. Okay. But there is this moment, if you remember when he's on the bus in the old lady's looking at him. Yes. Uhhuh. What does that mean? I mean, he looks like shit. He looks like shit. He's wounded. He has a gun. I'd be looking too. I don't think it means anything. I just think some old lady is just like kids these days going out looking like that. Back in my day, we covered our wounds before we took the bus to The Bahamas. Where is she going? Where is she going? I don't know. Or just have the answers to, I wish I had the answers to that. We'll find out next time. Anyway, Ray shows up. Okay, shows up finally. Fucking, Ben Willis is there and he's just like, I'm gonna kill you. Good girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he doesn't, he accidentally kills his son. Oh yeah. And then Julie shoots him. And he, I love this line. Where is it? Just fucking die. Yep. And then he falls into that open grave that was meant for her. Yep. Mm-hmm. And then the storm goes away. Yeah. But what's, okay, so the, the interesting visual, if there's any like Star Wars nerds, not me, but go on. I'm sure there's some out there. I'm not as, okay. So, uh, Ben Willis' body falls into the open grave. Mm-hmm. And like all the dirt and stuff is like cemented around him. Uhhuh doesn't it remind people of the Hans solo carbon freeze from the Empire strikes back. Never seen it. So I don't know. Yeah. Me neither get in the comments. But I've dated enough nerdy guys that they show me that picture. And so I know that is a reference to that. And so I did some more hot girl research. Oh. Mm. Yeah. We didn't get any hot girl research in this movie. No, we did it, but that's why I did it. Thank you. Thank you. We did it. You did it. I just watched the movie and talk shit. That's my version of Hot Girl Research Apparently this like carbon-free thing is supposed to preserve like people's lives, so it's not, they're not like dead. They're, they could come back at any time. Oh, so you think that's why you, because it's so specific. So maybe if it was like, maybe he's like a Star Wars geek and he's like, oh, the Star War will get this reference. He's gonna come back later. Maybe I put him in this like hot solo carbon freeze. Yeah. But even then, like it could just be spoiler alert and, and I'll always know what you did last summer, which I'm kind of excited to watch, but also not excited to watch. Oh God. Awful. I saw the trailer. I haven't watched it. Yeah. I just watched the trailer after watching this. Yeah. And I was just like, oh my God. Cry baby. This is, this is gonna be a hard one. This one's gonna be hard. Yeah. This is hard. Yep. Apparently it's a zombie fisherman. What? Yeah. So anyway, the storm is over. Ben Willis is, uh, being frozen, I guess. Star Wars being out there. And then guess what? Our girl, Carla, that bitch is alive. I'm good girl. Yeah. But also let's, I'm made of steel. But also, let's note, there's also a very, very beautiful plant in that closing scene. A ta vari gated tapioca tree. A variated tapioca tree. A very vari gated tapioca tree. Uhhuh. And it's standing proudly. And that is one of the hardest plants I have ever taken care of. Really. Like even my mom, when she saw that I had one, she's like, wow, that's such a hard plant to take care of. And they had it on set. They had a huge one. Yeah. Huge. Do you think that was just like part of the scenery in Mexico? Or do you think they brought that in? I would like to. I would like to think the green. The green. Which is, which is apparently the, the, the production member in charge of the plants. Oh. Was like, oh no, this one is symbolic. Oh, that a delicate plant can survive. Survive a storm. Okay, I see that. Also, I could just be reading into things way too deeply, but that's what we're doing. You, you said that Derek, the dog hand was gay. Oh. So we read into things deeply. Mama. I'm surprised you could read it all. Me too. Oh. Anyway, we get another fake out ending. Julie and Ray are married. They're living their little straight people life and Yeah, he also uses the electronic toothbrush. Oh, I love this thing. It's so stupid. But he does this when it's electronic toothbrush, you just do this'cause it's electronic. Yeah, but you can still move it can't you? I guess. But it defeats the purpose. Does it? Does anyone own an electric toothbrush? Mm, my roommate does, but I've never asked how she uses it. Maybe we should ask her. I'm archaic. I use a classic manual toothbrush stick and straw. Yeah. Stick and straw baby. Yes. I actually just use a root, I don't even use a toothbrush. And you call meal. It's cool. Anyway, so that is, I still know what you did last summer. Um, I don't have as in-depth a queer analysis on this one as I do the other one.'cause I, I don't know, I don't feel, we've talked a little bit about like, we've talked about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, what things are gay and stuff, and it's just, it's more of the same that guilt, the Ben Willis is coming back. You can't go on vacation without running to a fucking faggot who's gonna read you for filth? Like, that's basically all it is. You know, i, I enjoy the more queer characters in this one. Yeah. I feel it's a little bit more explicit, in my opinion. It's less grounded for sure. I feel like the last movie was so grounded in like the Broodiness mm-hmm. Of it all. Whereas this one, honestly, I don't understand why so many people dislike it as much as they do. I enjoyed it. It's not a good movie. No, no, no, no. But it's not a bad movie. It's not a bad movie. I would not 8%. Yeah. I wouldn't give it 8% guys. I think. Come on. It's still a fun watch. It's a good watch. And with Brandy, I love it. We have, like you said, there's so many more fun characters here. Mm-hmm. So I still stand by that. The, the part of the queer analysis is that the hotel staff is a bunch of queers. I love that versus. Heterosexual. So it's kind of like the outsiders versus like, you're coming to my territory now and you fuck it up. Yeah. And of course all of the, all of the gays die. Typical bury the gaze. So there's that. Oh yeah. All the gays do die. Mm-hmm. By if, if your theory is correct, every single queer person in this movie died. That's, that's fucked up. Yeah. So there's that, that's, I still know what you did last summer. Yes. I am, like we already said, I don't know. Part of me is looking forward to the next one. Part of me is dreading the next one. How long is it? I don't know. Hopefully not long. And I'm gonna have to watch it multiple times, unfortunately. So could you imagine if this had higher ratings than this one? I would scream Well, we'll find out in the next episode. I'm gonna pull up all that, all the dirty, deep, all the dirts. So, yes. Richard, where can our listeners find you? You could find me on the gram at Lord Fierce. On TikTok at Plant Daddy MD or check out my website, plant daddy md.com. Mm-hmm. Yes. And you can of course find me crybaby at crying in public that's crying without the G in under public. And give horror icon of Follow babes. That's horror icon. W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on the Instagram. So, join us next time for what's probably going to be, a really shitty movie with lots of shit talking probably. I mean, the podcast is still young, but I'm anticipating it being the worst movie I've ever seen. So join us for that. And until then, cuties, don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Hey, bye.