15. I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer (2006)

Buckle up, babes—because this week, Crybaby and Richard are taking on the cinematic disaster that is I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer.

It’s got shaky camera work, shallow mall-rejects instead of characters, and enough early 2000s cringe to give your Motorola Razr a panic attack. From bad editing to worse acting, this film is a prime example of everything wrong with post-Scream horror—overstyled, underwritten, and relying solely on a cast of bland blonde babes. 

But even in the chaos, we find the gay. Crybaby draws some surprisingly poignant parallels between the film’s themes of secrecy, shame, and generational fear and the lingering cultural trauma of the AIDS crisis—because if we’re going to suffer, we’re gonna make it mean something. Meanwhile, Richard spirals into full existential dread trying to remember a single character's name.

It’s a wild ride through underwhelming kills, stupid fish hook lore, and the ghost of better scripts that never came to be. Come for the abysmal teen terror, stay for the queer analysis and unhinged commentary. This one’s a mess—but at least it’s our mess.

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What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody, but. Brace yourself, cuties, and welcome to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and. Stupid emphasis on stupid this week. Emphasis on stupid. You know me, I'm Cry baby. The spooky slut from your Wettest Nightmares. And I am Richard Brooklyn's favorite plant daddy. Yeah, baby. Mm-hmm. and yeah, this is, this is a train wreck. We are gonna be petty as fuck. Today. We're gonna be pettier than the fishermen today. I, I have many questions. Yeah. I have many questions and I don't think there are many answers. I don't think so either. I genuinely don't. So, Obviously, so we're working our way through the, I know you did summer franchise and we hit the. Third movie that a lot of people don't know about because it went straight to video and for good fucking reason. I'm shook that it even went to video. It should not even be seen. It's, oh my gosh, mama. I'm just curious if anyone watched this. Yeah. Aside from us. I'm very curious too, if any listeners out there have already watched this, please let us know. Us know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, we, we might need a support group for this. Yeah. And, and also if you watched it for this podcast, if you watched it before this episode. I'm sorry. I literally texted Richard, many, many times this weekend.'cause we both did our watch this weekend. Mm-hmm. I fucking spent money on this shit and I'm so mad about that. I'm, I'm mad about it too. I want my$4 back. Yeah. I rented it for$4.'cause it's not streaming anywhere. No. You have to rent it or buy it. Which is a scam. It is a total scam. It's total scam. Like, I'm wondering if the actors that were involved with this, anyone who was involved with this project, they just got like their residual check and they went, oh my God. Someone watched it. Somebody watched it. Someone watched it. Like that is the true war. I got my 3 cents. Yeah. Oh goodness. I was watching it and I texted you. I'm like, Hey. I am sorry. I said that a couple of times, and I always go into things with a very, very open mindset. I texted you, I think a week before, after we wrap the, the last episode, I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna watch this for a few times. I like warming myself up. I like absorbing the movie first and then doing my notes 15 minutes into this movie. I'm not watching it again. I do not wanna watch this movie ever again. I feel you. I watched it two times. Oh. Well here's the thing. When I, when I prepare for this podcast, I watch every movie at least three times. Mm-hmm. Because I'll do my initial watch through for enjoyment, for shit some gigs. Yeah. If I've never seen it before, or if it's been a minute since I've watched it, I'll just kind of no pressure. Just watch it as a watcher. Yeah. You want to, you want to enjoy the film. Mm-hmm. You enjoy the film. And then, okay, I'm gonna go into it with more critical eyes. I'm gonna take my notes. I'm going to, start hypothesizing on themes and this, that, and the other. Just start thinking what I want to bring up and what I want to talk about. And then my third watch through is just to kind of paint those pictures a bit more in my head, because I think the first one I watched, maybe Three or four times. Mm-hmm. I was into it. Yeah. Like that 48 hour rental, I was using all 48 hours. Absolutely. Same, same, same, same. Second one I was also, I was actually into it. Mm-hmm. It wasn't as joyous as the first one, just because I love the first one so much. First one's great. Yeah. But I definitely watched, I still know what you did, LS ever. Maybe two to three times. Same. Two to three times. But this one, this one, I want to go back in time to undo what I did. Yeah. It's, and everybody, it's not, don't, don't fool yourselves.'cause I went into it again with like an open mind. Yeah. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna find some joy in this. Yes. You know?'cause I do enjoy shitty movies. I do. Same here. Like we've talked about it. Like trashy Santa Santa Slay. Mm-hmm. Uh, the Bong movie. Evil Bong. Yeah. Evil Bong, leprechaun. I even consider as kind of like, come on here. Yeah. 100%. This movie is not even worth that. It is so bad. It's bad. It's not so bad. It's good. It's not so bad. It's good and then it's bad again, it. Just stays sub pleasure. Like the whole time. The whole time the whole thing. I, My roommate stumbled into it. And my roommate is an actor. Poor roommate. My roommate did too. She's a director. Oh my God, that's so funny. Yes. So both our roommates work in like film. He stumbled into it and of course we were ripping it at first, but you know, like after a while you have to make sense of the world. So he was like, you know what, this is like, there's some meaning behind it. And I was like, Zach, do not give meaning to shit. Yeah. Do not try to justify this bull crap. This is literally crap. Mm-hmm. But it was that bad, uh, that it made people want to justify why we're continuing to continuing to watch this. Oh, not my roommate. She, if you're watching, which I know you probably are. Was sitting right next to me and I had already the day before sent her, just a quick recording of a scene because it was framed so poorly. It was so bad. And I sent it to her and she laughed. And then she came back in yesterday while I was rewatching it, and she's silent. And then out of nowhere, the acting in This is atrocious. This is shit. And she gets up and leaves. What was, what was the scene that you were looking at curious? Um, it was the scene when, after Roger gets killed at the ski resort, which one is Roger? Exactly, exactly. It was really hard for me to get any kind of character names. Mm-hmm. Because I don't even think they say it that many times. Only a few times if that it's. I just, I, I wrote, I wrote down on my notes, which I did not bring because I wouldn't, there's no point. There's no point. It's fine. I just wrote down like the physical descriptions, like blonde dude, blonde. Yep. Blonde dude. Uh, dark haired, short hair, like dark blue eyed boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that. He was the one that tried offering him, or, well, that wrote the note that he was going to end everything. Yes, yes. I just can't live with a secret anymore. It was that scene when they find the note and they're just like, he killed himself. Oh yeah. It was bad. Anyway, all that to be said, everybody, I'm a devout professional and we are going to cover this movie. Did you do your crybaby? Of course I did. Oh, yes. Also, point of note, I am not in drag right now. Everybody. I am. 100% in my mask, presenting them both form. I'm not even wearing just like any kind of, because sometimes if I'm not wearing makeup, I'll still put on some eyeliner or some eyeshadow or something. Yeah, no, the only thing I'm wearing is uh, lip balm. I literally just rolled out a jiujitsu practice and came over here. Richard is so sweaty right now. Richard is so freaking sweaty. So if that's something that gets you going, everybody watch the video. You can toot it, zoom in on them titties because they are supple and moist. And if you're not, if you're watching Richard, just flex them. Oh goodness. I'm gonna have to put this one behind a paywall now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we could make some money off list. I know. We'll probably make more money off from that than this movie, honestly. Yeah. If you, if you, this movie costs 3 99 to make. I should be making more than that. Actually. I have that in my bitch. The pot. We're gonna talk about that. We are gonna talk about the budget. But first, let's go into our cry. Baby breakdown, everybody. Ooh, yay. We're gonna break this down. Unhappy 4th of July, cuties. And nothing says America like another group of stupid teens making terrible decisions. But this time we're in Colorado, notorious for its booming fishing economy, where a group of Abercrombie rejects, pulls a prank at the local carnival involving a fake hook handed killer. It's all fun and cynical giggles until, oops, somebody actually dies. And guess what, what? Instead of calling the police, they decide the secret dies with them. Because you know, college dreams and one of them might be on American Idol someday, So flash forward one year later and wouldn't you know it, somebody knows what they did last summer? cue the anonymous texts. Strobe light editing that genuinely belongs on like a Papa Roach video And the best part is none of these kids are connected to the first movie at all. Not a single one. Not a single one. This is pure generational trauma by a franchise cash grab. Now, one by one, the teens start dying in underwhelming ways and the acting gets increasingly gal Gadot. And just when you think it couldn't get any weirder, the killer is revealed to be a ghost zombie. Ben Willis. Yes, everybody. Ben Willis from the first two movies is now a ghost zombie. A local urban legend with a hook, a grudge, and a dream of punishing stupid people who lie about manslaughter. So who survives and who even are these people? And honestly who thought, ah, yes, this is where we need to go with a franchise. We're gonna dive into all of that with, I'll always know what we did last summer because the way my show is structured, we have to, this is your fault, this is my blame. I blame you. Like I said, sorry everybody, this is why we're here. that was probably more entertaining than the movie, and that's not me jerking myself off. Honestly, I knew synopsis to understand what happened. I had to do timestamps on my notes. Mm-hmm. So I could understand my own sanity. Yeah. I felt like I was in prison watching this movie. I was pacing in my living room, holding my head like, when is this over? When is this over? Yeah. This movie feels so fucking long. This movie is shorter than the first one, but it feels like a half an hour longer than the first one. It's so fucking long. So many of the scenes are pointless. I think that's why you felt that way. I literally, in half of my notes, it was like every fucking scene. I would write down, what's the point of this? Why are we in this scene? Why are we seeing this right now? What does this have to do with anything? It's all the same repetitive hoopla, blah bullshit. And this film is everything that is wrong with horror movies in the early two thousands. I feel like this movie is just wrong with what is movies in general. That's true. Which there's like this, it, it, it's, I'm not a, a film studies major or anything fancy like that, but I know that I was uncomfortable. I, and not in a fun way. Not in a fun way. In a fun way. No. I was like, something, something. Don't sit right here. Something's wrong. It was, yeah it was. So, alright, well let's bitch the pot a little bit. Maybe we can get some tea that can help us understand a little bit more Why this movie sucks ass so bad. Cry baby. I'm depending on you right now. Oh gosh. I don't know if I can do this. So first off, you mentioned that this movie was made for like$3 and 99 cents. It might as well have been, This film had a budget of$8 million. I feel like that's a lot still. So here's the thing. It's in the grand scheme of movie making, it's not a lot. It's not, it's not in the early odds, it had more buying power than it does now, but 8 million is still quite a small budget for, for films. Well, we definitely know it wasn't given to the prop department. Well, no, and here's my thing, I tend to be a little bit more forgiving with low budget films, right? Because I've worked on like a micro budget horror film. I know how challenging it can be. However, I'm gonna point out that both Seed of Chucky and Cult of Chucky each only had a budget of$5 million, which had significantly less buying power than the$8 million that they had to make this movie in 2004. Mm-hmm. Or six or whatever year it was made. somebody needs to teach them fiscal responsibility because they did not spend that money. Well, they didn't spend it well at all. Where did it go? Where Colorado, they just bought Colorado for$8 million. Oh gosh. No, it was, it was the Abercrombie uh worker. The polos. Yeah, it was the polos, the wardrobe. Exactly. It was the polos, the little denim cutoffs. That's where the budget was actually. The whole movie was just backed by Abercrombie. Wait a minute. Was this just a ploy to advertise for Abercrombie? It couldn't possibly be. No.'cause there was also like a little hot topic reject in there too. Oh, there was a hot topic. The styling on this is so bad. Everybody. We're going back, we're going back to the mall. We're gonna, yeah, we're going back to the mall. Girl. Anyway, that was the budget and I just, I have no idea what they did with that money. now this, the movie, the third movie in this franchise was originally announced in like the year 2000. And it was going to bring back Jennifer Love Hewitt. Oh, Brandy and Freddie Prince Jr. Oh. But it sat in developmental health for so many years. They just decided to scrap it and then for some reason, this is where this was better. This was the best that they could do. I just wanna know the process that brought us here. What was it that they were trying to do with Jay Love Brandy and Freddie Prince Jr. That they were just like, this is so bad we have to go here to Colorado. To Colorado, because they could have just made it in the, I don't know, the same location or New York something. I feel like New York would've been a great setting for this, anywhere that actually has a coast or not for this, I feel like New York would've been a great setting for, The third movie. Mm-hmm. You know, Julie goes to New York to survive her former best friend Helen and Yeah. Yeah. And all this other bullshit, you know, she's just some of like, just some kind of progression of Julie's life.'cause she's the, the main, the main character of this franchise. Mm-hmm. It's like child's play. Without Chucky, it wouldn't make no sense. Exactly. I mean, like, we have the fisher, but even the fishermen is questionable here. Yeah. We'll, we'll get into that. Yeah. Ugh. I do kind of want to live in the world where they follow through with a third follow up with Jay Love Brandy and Freddy Prince.'cause I feel like even though it probably would've been bad, it would've been way better than this. Oh, absolutely. And there would've been at least some sort of through line. So. Another reason why I think this is so bad, the director, his name is Sylvain White. He's a French director. He was brought in last minute because the other director, I guess it didn't work out. Mm. Michael D. Weiss. Oh, he was fired. I don't know why I tried to find the team. Nobody would tell me. Maybe'cause he said This is a horrible movie. We shouldn't make it. Maybe Chopped. But the director that ended up staying with the project only had two weeks to prep. Oh yeah. That's two weeks to cast the film. Mm-hmm. Two weeks. Two weeks to prep the film, to do all of the pre-production, like, no wonder it looks so half-baked.'cause it wasn't even put in the oven. It's not even baked. It's raw and not the fun kind of raw either. No, no, no, no. This is not like a, a delicious raw vegan cheesecake. Oh. That's the kind of raw you're thinking of. Yikes. Hey, I think they're delicious. No, they're great. They're really tasty. They're great. I just have a terrible dirty mind. Anyway, I will trust you on your tasty vegan raw cheesecake. Thank you. I'll actually, I would try it. It's good. Speaking of casting the character Zoe, she's the brunette everybody. The brunette, okay. Yes. There, i I, I am glad there was one brunette in this cast of all blonde people. That's right. They were all blonde. They were all blonde. Yeah. It was really hard to figure out who was who. Mm-hmm. Because like two of the guys were blonde and blue eyed, and they also wear like the same fashions. Mm-hmm. Like the only way I could separate them was one had a polo, one had an Ed Hardy T-shirt, and one one worked for the police department. Was he even blonde? No. That he worked, uh, he worked at the resort during the off season. Oh wait, no, that was Roger. No wait. There was a resort. It was a ski town. Oh. Why do you think there were ski lifts and gondolas and shit? There were ski lifts. I checked out, uh, obviously I checked out, obviously. Um, no, they do all look very much the same. So we have a brunette, her name, the character's name is Zoe. Zoe. Okay. Which is such an early two thousands name to give a character by the way. They, I guess cycled through actresses. There was one who was signed on for the project, but then she left. And then there was another one who couldn't come through because of the events of Hurricane Katrina. Oh. So finally they landed on, Tori DeVito, who's the one that plays her now. Um, but she's good friends with the, one of the people that was originally cast. that's another reason why I don't think it's that good.'cause it's like they could nail down the casting of a character who, the way they edited this. It felt like the main character until she died, and not in the fun Drew Barrymore or psycho kind of way. It was like you know that she's probably more interesting than the rest of these people because she's brunette and you're just sticking on all of her footage until she's gone. That's how it felt. Anyway, Speaking of all, everybody being blonde. Yes. The poster, did you look at the movie poster for this? No. Okay, so the movie poster for this, it's like every other You know, nineties, early two thousands movie poster hot teens and a v formation with the protagonist in the front and they're all in the back. Mm. You know exactly the Yeah, yeah. They did it for screen. It's a very like, like, uh, kinda star warsie or yeah. the first thing I'm thinking of is like the final destination poster. Exactly. A final destination scream. That it's a very common composition for horror movie posters around this time period. Oh, yeah. Scream'cause like Yeah. Mm-hmm. Goes face in the back and that Campbell in the front. Okay. I, I, exactly. Yes, yes. I can imagine this. Exactly. So there's four characters, three girls. One guy, one of these girls is some random blonde girl who literally is in this movie for a collective 30 seconds. Why is she on the poster? I, I sat there literally for 20 minutes figuring out, I'm like, who is this person? The actress's name is like star, lat, star, LA Point, star Lat, something like that. She's like a model actress, whatever. Of course she is. And they, I don't know why they slapped her on the poster. They didn't put the blonde guy that, like the boyfriend, the fucking kolby, the, the asshole, the Abercrombie. He's not on the poster. He's not, no. He's like a central character. He is a central character. Instead of putting a central character on this poster, they put somebody who was in the movie for legitimately 30 seconds. She has like maybe two lines. And she's only in the film the first two scenes. What is right. I'm not, they're just like, you know what? We need another hot blonde on the on, on the cover here.'cause there's not enough hot blondes in this movie. Oh my God. It's, yeah. It makes no sense to me. Isn't that weird? Maybe I should make movies. Maybe. Maybe. Alright, so let's get into its ratings. It got a 3.3 out of 10 on IMDB. That's very generous. That is very generous. It's very generous. I read through some of the comments I feel like some people were trolling. Some people were like, oh my God, this is the best movie ever. 10. What? You know how the internet can be? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was just one of those. Did you, did you write any of them? I wrote some for Rotten Tomatoes. So for Rotten Tomatoes I got a 20% popcorn meter, which is the audience score, which is also very generous. That's very high. I have two bad in one. Good review. Okay. I agree with this one. This movie started awful and then went downhill. It looked like it was filmed by a student in community college. That is also a very generous statement. That's very generous doll. Now he's a zombie. No Love Hewitt Party of five was so good, but doing. Be, I love that review. And then somebody rated it five stars on Rotten Tomatoes and they were like, I'll always know what you did last summer, unless of course I forget, which most likely I will. So dumb, so dumb. It got a 0%, tomato meter, though it's a 0% raw tomato meter. That that is appropriate. Yeah, that is appropriate. And somebody said not bad enough to be good. And somebody just said somebody killed the Gordon's fishermen already. That's the best one. Yeah. Oh my God, that's the best one. It's so, it is not critically acclaimed at all. And I feel like the people who say that they like this movie are trolling the rest of us. Yeah. Like you're, you're being mean now. Yeah. It's like the people who are trying to be counter because they like being counter maybe they were part of this movie maybe, or honestly, I'm not gonna lie, as a Gemini, sometimes I'll just like fuck with people and I'll like, oh my God, that was great. What are you talking about? Oh, what are you talking about? That movie is phenomenal I'll be super sarcastic, but I'll convince people that I'm not Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll just kind of see how long they go with it. So, oh my god. I can kind of get that. Maybe if someone's just like being a playful little troll. But I guess it's, It's not good though at all. Anybody who says it is, I do genuinely question their choices. Thoughts before we move into our characters, let's get this over with, let's get this over with. Alright, so our characters, we have Amber, our protagonist. She's the blonde one. Amber, okay. Our, our blonde, final girl. All right. She's a photographer and everyone thinks that she's gonna be rich and successful because of her photography, which we don't see any of. No. She just has a camera, which honestly, I don't know why it doesn't play into anything. Whatever. People, hobbies don't have to be central to the plot. I don't care. We have Zoe, who is the alt girly, she's styled as if she is working at a hot topic. Mm-hmm. All the time. Her belts are thick, And she's a singer in a band. Yes. Yes. We have Kolby, who is the Polo wearing, like frat bro. Mm-hmm. He is Amber's boyfriend. He's one year older than Amber. He's played by, I, uh, the actor's name is like David something or other who was in Final Destination two. Did you find See, final destination too? I did fi see Final Destination. So he was the blonde guy that dies first in that movie with the fire escape. Oh, okay. Yeah. So that, that guy. Played, Kolby, ah, yeah, he is so much better in Final Destination two than he is in this movie. We have Lance, who is our Carney game running love interest. Okay. He's the one that wears. I think Ed Hardy is, is he, does he have the chain? Does he have the He's the one that has the chain and he has the chain. The one leather wristband and the motorcycle. Okay, got it, got it, got it. The early OTTs, bad boy who's like sensitive. Yeah. Yeah. He was a skater boy. See you later, boy. A thousand percent. I wish we would see him later. No, I don't wanna see him later. We have Roger, who I, I wrote down, he fixes ski lifts and suffers a lot. Okay. He is our, he's a crybaby bitch. And not in a fun way, Roger. Exactly. We'll get there. We have pj, he's the sheriff's son. Okay. That Yeah, I remember him. Yeah. He's the one that dies at the beginning. Spoiler alert. Oh, and then we have Debbie Haner, who is a ki, he's like a kind of a creepy officer. I think he's obsessed with Amber. He's the old dude, right? No, he's the younger dude. The one that's just like, if you need anything or if you have to get anything off your chest, call me. Oh yeah, that's, yeah. That creepy predatory motherfucker. He is one of the red herrings. There's a bunch of red herrings in this movie for no fucking reason. We have Sheriff Davis. Yes, he's PJ's dad. That's the old dude. Yeah, that's the old dude. Also a red herring. And then I wrote down, who the fuck is Kelly? She's on the poster. and then we have Zombie Ben Willis. Uh huh And he grew his hand back. He has both hands in this movie. He does. Yeah. Which is great. So, those are our characters. We're just gonna do a quick run through of this. Like, I don't think we need to go through a lot. This takes place in a town called Broken Ridge in Colorado. Is it a real place? No. I don't know. Have you ever been to Colorado? No, I haven't. I haven't. I've been to, I've been to Utah. I've been, I'm from Nevada. Okay. In California. I've been Arizona. I haven't gone, I've never gone up. I've never gone to like Colorado. Well, Colorado's more east, I guess. But because I always imagine, like from, from what I've seen of Top Chef Uhhuh color, Colorado is this beautiful place. Yeah. But somehow when they, this setting here is not beautiful. It's kind of gross. It is. It, I mean, it does kind of capture a little bit. Of the feeling of small town in, because the West coast, anybody who's on like the West coast, especially in states like Nevada, Utah, Colorado, there's so much space and there's a lot of small towns peppered throughout these, whether it be like small towns that are like little trucker towns or like little abandoned mining towns. Yeah. Or towns like this, which are like an industry town for ski resorts ski and it's their on season is winter and their off season is not Ah. But like in terms of the sprawled out kind of gross nature of some of these small towns, they did get that a little bit on the head. But also the way that they shot this film, I can't really get a firm grasp on the setting and what the whole town as a whole feels.'cause they only show small little places, like a little bit of a barn, a little bit of a cemetery. Mm-hmm. Zoe's little rock shack. And then. Wherever the fucking finale takes place. But it was so hard to even focus in on what things are because the camera angle keeps shifting every single second. This was literally shot like a music video. Oh, it was shot like a music video. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, it was shot like a music video. Yes. A really bad music video. And I went in to see if the director came from a music video background. No, he's just French. No. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, like I said, this film is very two thou, it's like a, a time capsule of the two thousands, but of like, all of the bad stuff, very bad, like very, very bad. The writing in this is terrible. You know what, I will say the, the opening credits kind of got me a little, like excited a little bit. I like the music is nice, I guess, because it's a little It's like, it, it's like, it, it's a little unsettling, I guess. It's unsettling. Yeah. I'm like, oh, great. I was not expecting it to continue for a hundred minutes. No, this, the, the credits are very much the style that this entire movie is shot in, which is choppy jump cuts, strobe lights and off kilter angles, very skewed. It's on a hel handheld camera. Yeah. It's, it's so shaky. It is. So that, that. So it opens up Yes. With these shaky credits. And it's the 4th of July. Oh yeah, it's the 4th of July. And they're at like a Menlo, Colorado. They're at like a theme, a theme park. It's like a, um, a festival. It's like a carnival. A carnival. Like a little carnival. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, they, they're just like, oh yeah, the fishermen he punishes people who keep dirty little secrets. Especially teenagers. Yeah. They like scare each other with that. And then all of a sudden a fisherman jumps out of nowhere and starts chasing them, and they're like screaming. And Colby gets slashed on the arm, but like, no one at this, uh, carnival is reacting. Just them. Did you notice that? Just that Yeah. Everyone's just like, huh. Like Al already. I'm like, wait a minute. If there's gonna be like a crazy poser killer running around. Mm-hmm. You would think just like the detail from the director be like, okay, well everyone should be running away from the sky. But it's only those group of friends that are running away from the sky and everyone else is just being at the carnival. Yeah. Playing the game. Still eating the hot dogs. Yeah. It's, it's so inconsequential to the rest of the town. Which is funny because this whole thing was meant to prank the town. This is a prank. I feel pranked. Yeah, I feel pumped. Yeah. This whole thing is a prank. Their friend PJ is like a skateboarder and they're just like, oh, wouldn't it be funny if we convinced the town that you know, the fisherman was trying to kill us, and you can skateboard off the top of this like really tall building. We'll lay out this little three by five mat that you can land on that's like an inch thick and you'll totally be fine. Wouldn't that be great? It was so dumb. Like the, the skateboard tricks during the opening like sequence. Also very early two thousands. The Tony Hawk. Era. Yeah. He was a skater boy. Yeah. And he said, see you later, boy, because he dies. So what happens is, like, he lands on this tractor because somebody moved the mats and he gets impaled on a tractor in a very unrealistic way. Yeah. It's like a perfect circle in his torso, but the, the smokestack that he lands on is so not a perfect circle. I was, I, I wanted to leave five minutes in. Five minutes in, I actually started cleaning my kitchen, which is my thing. Yeah. Oh yeah. You do, you clean your kitchen. I do my thing. I'm like, you know, I was like scrubbing the countertop. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. There's a death here. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna continue cleaning. There is. so he dies. It was an accident, and they fall into the usual conversation of like, well, we can't tell anybody you, we wanna go to college and Zoe, you're gonna be on American Idol someday. And so they decide that the secret dies with them and Hey, you hear burning shit. Yeah, it's, yeah, they burn shit. What's his fuck Kolby? Because he supposedly got slashed by the fishermen during the attack and he ends up actually having to slice his arm open. I'm like, good for you, you fucker, you deserve that shit. But yeah, they make their pact, they part ways. It's one year later, July 1st, and Amber's upset about it. She visits PJ's gravestone, and then she goes to a barn party. She goes to a barn party. We know because she got texted out on her flip phone. Oh yes. The flip phone. The flip phone. The flip phone. I do, I did. I did love seeing a flip phone in this movie. Oh, I miss a flip phone. I like them too. Yeah. I used to be so fast at T nine texting. Do you remember what T nine texting is? No.'cause I actually didn't get, I did not get a cell phone till maybe my freshman year of college. Wow. Because I was anti cell phone. That's fair. Because teenage Richard said this is gonna be the end of the world. We started using them. as it turns out, teenage Richard might be smarter than current. Richard. That is a hundred percent actually.'cause he started using smartphones a hundred percent. Actually, if you, if we're flashback to teenage Richard, he was actually really, really like he was with it. Okay, so, so t nine, texting.'cause on flip phones, you didn't have a full keyboard. You just had the number pad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to like. Dial like the, the number multiple times. Exactly. Two had A, B, and C, and three had D, E, and F. Mm-hmm. If I wanted to say Hey, I had to hit this number so many times to get h and this number so many times to get E, five, three. I don't know. I would need a, i, I would need a keyboard in front of me, or, you know, but anyway, She goes to the barn party. The barn party kolby her well ex-boyfriend now. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Because he breaks up with her at the party the most unclear breakup I've ever seen. Yeah. They just said, they were like, oh, I don't even know how they, he's just like, we've grown apart things. What, what happened last summer changed things and his internship didn't work out. He came back to be a lifeguard at the pool. She's upset. Lance is there being all blue-eyed and early two thousands hot, which is honestly not hot. It's, it's kind of gross. He looks kind of greasy, doesn't he? It's gross. He looks like he doesn't shower. And also, I feel like the whole film is greasy. What's with that filter? Just that gritty shit. I have no idea. It's like the whole movie is through a filter. Maybe they wanted it to look a little bit more rough and rustic. Like I think of, This is being a very cheap, imitation of what you would find in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The, the original one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it just feels gritty. It feels like maybe they were trying to channel that they were trying to channel something. Yeah. It's, it's not great, but she goes and she cries and then that fucking creep ass officer tries to, I'm not even gonna get into that shit. Yeah, you was like, have you ever need anything? What's with those, like, low angles and stuff? I know. So our next beat Amber's parents are out of town. She has a note in her room and we're just like, oh my God. No, it's the, no, it's in the, in the fisherman's penmanship. No, it's not. Yes it is. No, it's, it is not, not, it's a bad version. I think I was imagining things. Yeah. I think I wanted it to be good. So I started, I started seeing hallucinations. It's in all caps, but it's not the fisherman's pen. It's not Well, because it's a note from her parents. Her parents are out of town. Oh, that's why I want this to work. So I know. Can you see how I am in a relationship with this? Yes. Yes. And like, he's so bad for me, but he's actually good. Really? I'm gonna make it work. He's really nice. Yeah. No, uh, her parents are out of town. She gets like 50 text messages that say, I know what you did last summer. And then she decides to go see her friend Zoe, who she hasn't talked to all year. Zoe's pissed at her. Zoe's pissed. She's like, should I send you another flyer? Yeah. You never see my shows. You never come to my shows. I'm a. But then Amber's just like, please and she's like, fine, you can sleep on the couch. Okay. Zoe's pretty fierce. Yeah, Zoe's probably my favorite character in this film. I don't like any of these characters, but she's the one that I dislike the least. I would. Yeah, I would agree with that. But she's like, that style of of girl in the early two thousands was my jam, you know? You know what I just thought about She, Zoe reminds me of the girl, the German girl in Buffy the Vampire Slay. I remember like the last season when there's like d the German girl different, there's like different slayers around the world. Uhhuh and there's that one slayer in like Berlin and she's like this kind of like alt punk girl. Oh yeah. That there's like a essence there. I guess the alt punk girl is significantly more hardcore than Zoe is though. Oh yeah, definitely. And this girl in Buffy that Rich is referencing is literally in one scene'cause she gets killed. Like that's a very, that's a very specific deep cut reference, not a memorable character unless you are intimately familiar with the series funny, deep cut. That was a very deep cut. Yes, I get it though. Like, I guess the essence of it. Yeah. A very like, uh, a mall version of that. Mm-hmm. Very mall., But the next day they decided to go visit Roger, whom, I guess you don't remember who Roger is the one that was acting as the fisherman during the prank. Ah, okay. Okay. Which is why he's suffering so much because it's his fault. It's the PJ died and so he's like driving a forklift and he has absolutely no consideration for these girls.'cause he just keeps driving towards them. Oh. Fucking lights. A blowtorch directly in their face. And I'm like, mama, this film needs an OSHA director. Because there's also a scene where somebody just swings a chainsaw Yeah. At someone's face. Like they're so reckless with this shit. They're reckless with those camera angles. Because as the scene was going, I was just trying to digest what. What am I watching exactly. Mm-hmm. Because they go from his perspective, but not even his perspective. It's like an at an angle. They try to do an over a sho over the shoulder kind of thing, and it just, all of their over the shoulder shots are a fail. Like they do not line them up well at all. No, the, the scene in the, the barn party, that's what I sent my roommate when I was first watching this movie where I'm like, this is framed terribly because, Kolby and Amber are having a conversation and they're trying to do an over the shoulder from Amber to Kolby and literally her head is in the way. We don't see him. We just hear what he's saying if I'm noticing how bad the framing is, that's a bad size. It used to be bad. I notice makeup, wardrobe, and hair. I notice acting decisions. Yeah. I notice maybe a little bit of art and design. Like that's the, but that's like the world you come from. That's you watching movie and noticing the plants in plants. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm, but the fact that we're going to other territories, I never think of composition unless it's something that's really good or really bad. Process of elimination. You have two options, good or bad. Exactly. So yeah, you're right. The camera angle's on this there's more of the jumpy cuts and stuff. It's just, it's, it's terribly shot. And the scene basically is just to tell us that Richard wants to go to the police now, and then Amber all of a sudden, wait, I wanna go to the police. No. Did I say Richard? Yeah. I do want to go to the police. I wanna report this movie. Yeah. It's a hate crime. I want to report this movie. No, Roger wants to go to the police and Amber all of a sudden changes the tune of her song.'cause she was the only one in the beginning that was like, no, we have to tell somebody. And now she's like, you better keep your fucking mouth shut. Roger. We had our chance. Shut your fucking mouth. Oh, and can we just talk about how stupidly and quickly they wrapped up that conflict between Zoe and Amber? Zoe is pissed. She's very like aggressive and catty. Mm-hmm. And then after they meet with Roger, they're in the car and they have this shallow as fuck conversation and all of a sudden they're friends again. And it was like, you know, that bass pair of yours is really cute. I think you'd be cute together. Fake giggle. Fake giggle. It is, the dialogue is so bad. Oh yeah. This is on July 2nd, by the way. We get little day cards in between each day, which honestly I appreciate.'cause now I know when the movie's gonna be over. That's what I'm saying. I would've had counting down to July 4th, I would've had. No idea what day it was. They're so bad at establishment in this movie. We need those day cards to let us know where the fuck we are. And then we have another pointless scene. We go to the swimming pool so they can confront Colby, the blonde guy. Yes. And it's just more of the same. It's like so much time could have been saved in this movie. There's so many pointless scenes, many closeups that I'm like, why do I, why did I need to know about that? Yeah. Why did I need to know what was on that book? That dirty bookshelf? Mm-hmm. It makes no sense. Yeah. What about that coll, are we at the collage scene yet? Not yet. We're about to be, not we're about to be, but that whole scene I think was basically just so we could see that kolby gets a note too, because it's written on the pool. On the pool. Evaporating water. I know what you did, girl. That means that someone must have been there to write. Write that on the floor. Unless the villain is supernatural. Ooh. Yeah. This whole time they're trying to convince that this is a, that this is a real person. Yeah. So the same day, like Amber takes her little bike trip up the mountain, right? Yes. Her tire gets slashed. She's at the ski lift and she ends up getting sent down by the ski worker with her little camera Uhhuh. Oh yeah. Because she's a photographer. She's a photographer, and she gets attacked on the ski lift by the fisherman. Good. It's not scary at all. He like crashes his hook through the window and at the same time her camera goes off and that scares him away. The next scene, it's so fucking funny. We go to her with like her little group of friends and the photo is like you can't even tell it's a hook. You just see a little like little bit of white in the top of the frame and she's like, see, it's the hook. It's so dumb. I think this is the moment I went to the bathroom. Mm-hmm. And I wanted to stay there probably. And then my roommate was like, should I pause this? And what? No. Nope. Don't keep it going. Keep it going. Yeah. Well, and this is when Roger dies and it's nothing satisfying about this movie and these death scenes are a huge part of that. Roger's like all sad boy and he's drinking and he's taking his medicine Oh yeah. His pills. And he decides that he wants to hit the escape button much like we did on the movie. Oh, he is. And he decides that he's gonna do it by using the actual fisherman's hook to drive up street on his arm. first off, if you're gonna do it, there's so many more efficient ways to do that Yeah. Than to use this. Really like poor. It's the first two movies, you could tell that the hook was sharp. It was made of some kind of hard metal. This looked like something you would buy at Walgreens. Yes. It's like on discount after Halloween. Yes. Because all the good hooks were taken. It's, it's really shitty Anyway, he hears a noise and he goes to investigate and he ends up getting killed by the fishermen and a choppy as fuck chasing scene air quotes around that and he dies and then his friends find him they find his body, they find his note, and the cops find them with him. And by the cops, I mean that creepy fucker hafner. And he's just like, what are you doing here? And that's the end of the scene. I, I feel like this is the first time where I'm really rooting for the killer to kill everyone. Please do. I like, I usually sigh with, you know, one of our hot teens. Mm-hmm. This one, I'm like, no, kill them all. They're all idiots quickly. They're all, they're all idiots. They're so boring. It's so boring. They're so boring. It's like if Will from the last movie was personified into a town that is still giving this film too much credit and y'all know how much I hate Will. That's too generous. That's too nice. That's too generous. That's too nice. Yeah. At least Will had some sort of. Direction. Yeah. Oh, he had objective. Yeah. Which is something that I don't really see anyone have here. No. But this is when, this is when we get the collage scene, the fucking pictures, the collage. Did you have something to say about that? No. Oh, the collage? Yeah. It was a lot of zoom-in that I just didn't need to do Uhhuh.'Cause the things you could have just established, she has that in the background and just be, be done with it. Go on. Well, and also there's so many,'cause what happens is they go back to Amber's place and she has so many photos, of course,'cause she's a photographer all of her photos that were on her corkboard were chopped into the word soon, SOON. But there was so much scrap paper'cause it's strewn all throughout her house. It's like if the, it's like if you take rose petals and sprinkle a little trail to the bedroom for some sexy time with your intimate partner. It's like that. But with photo shreds and it's so many photo shreds. I'm like, how many pictures did she actually have up on that wall? But it's also really, really poor quality because some of the zoom-in, I'm like, wait a minute. That's a printout that they cut into an O.'cause like when you, when you make collages, there's texture, there's textures, there's layers. There was one shot when they went over one of the letters where it was just, it was flat. Everything was flat. So I'm just like, wait, someone printed this out and cut it out? For this, this, this moment on screen.$8 million. Baby. Could you afford separate sheets of paper? What's the, I don't know. I didn't even look, I I did not look at the credits at all the, I looked at the credits uhhuh, and the one thing that stood out to me was the person who played the fisherman Uhhuh. His name is Robert Shank. Oh yeah. He's a, I thought that was funny. He's a stunt performer. Oh really? He played Michael Myers in one of the earlier Halloween movies. I don't remember which one. Oh. I saw this kind of funny shank, but he's cool. Yeah. He was just like, I wanna give the fans what they want. And I'm like, thank God somebody tried to do that. It was a cool costume. What? I'm trying so hard, I'm doing so hard to make some kind of joy from this. This is the cheapest looking fisherman outfit I have ever seen. The makeup. I'm tr the Okay. The ma, yeah. The makeup is cool. When they finally Reveal. Reveal, yeah. Zombie. But the fisherman outfit, it looks like it's made out of tarp. It doesn't look like an actual slicker in a hat. No, no, definitely not. It looks like a costume. They took like a tent and cut it up into some ambiguous shapes and just like, here you go. I mean, I kind of like to, I Okay now I would, I, I'm saying I like it because it's very like costy. It's not real whatsoever. okay. My nerdy mind. Oh, okay. The reason why I like it is because it reminds me of a love child of juggernaut from the X-Men, an X-Men animated series, and one of those floating monks from Mortal Kombat won. that's it. Okay. Listen. If that's what they were going for. No, that's definitely not Congratulations. It's definitely not what they were going for. It's what I just pieced together in my head to justify this horrible thing that I'm watching, which is kind of just like my thing. Mm-hmm. Like if I, if I go through something traumatic, in order for me to make sense of the world and to survive, I have to imagine something. I have to justify why I'm here. This movie has put me through trauma fair. So I had, I had to resort to childhood, Richard, to paint an image Okay. Of why I'm watching this. Well, then I support you. Thank you. I'm, I'm really trying to survive here. Yeah. Anyway, it's the next day and we have Lance with a chainsaw and he almost gives, what's his fucking nose job? So he says, oh yeah. They love talking about the nose job. I know. They fuck the LA thing. Yeah. They're basically, this whole movie is these kids going person by person being like, you're the one that did it. And them just being like, no, I'm not. And they're right. But also, can we talk about how the notes that they find are literally notes scribbled on a line piece of paper? Yeah. Did you notice that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, it's just like etched onto his motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah. This is like my, like the, my parchment paper mm-hmm. That I had last episode was scarier than some of these notes. Yeah. Well, and here's the thing. If you're going to try to continue this film as if it is a part of the, the, the, the franchise. The franchise, those handwritten notes were such a huge part of this movie. And to not have a one that is authentically looks like I know what you did last summer.'cause it's text messages, it's etched into stuff. Written in water pool, water written in pool water. There's not a single note note. And so I'm just like, where is the continuity? And it's not even that hard of a note. All you need is white paper and a sharpie uhhuh. And that, that costs what,$5 max? And that's like for fancy stuff. Part of me wonders if they were trying to update it for the tech age of just like, Ooh, let's do a text message. It's so scary. Let's do 50 of'em. But I don't know. It just, it didn't work. It didn't, it landed flat for me. you know what's so funny is, his, the character's name is Lance. I found myself writing Lucas over. He looks like a Lucas. He does look like a Lucas. Yeah. He does not look like a Lance. He looks like a Lucas. Lucas says that because the, the night before there was the, the note that was left by Richard because he was going to do his, he was gonna off himself. I'm gonna off myself. Did I say Richard again? Roger? We're we're desperately trying. I I've heard of this movie. I actually like it as it's Richard. Let's just keep going with that. Oh yeah. Let's just keep it as Richard. I'm, yeah. I'm in here. Well, he, I'm part of this town. He wrote a note that was like, I can't take it anymore. I can't live with this secret. I'm sorry. Literally, that was on my notes. I can't take this anymore. Can't take this anymore. I cannot take this. They, the sheriff gets his hand on that note, and I guess he went to, Lance, who is the, the sheriff's nephew, by the way. He was P'S cousin. Yes. They're related. He was like, the sheriff came talking about some secret, and I'm like, this writing is so fucking bad. This film feels like somebody in high school watched the first two movies, if even, and then wrote their own, like they were in high school. Okay. And they wrote their own little, fan fiction with like them and their friends in it. Ah. That's what this movie fucking feels like. the writing is so juvenile this genuinely feels like something that somebody wrote just to have a little fantasy. Are we at July 3rd yet? We are on July 3rd. Yes. Thank you for reminding me. Someone needs to re Yeah, we were constantly reminded what day it was. Yeah, oh, they're at a diner. This is another thing that my roommate, she commented on. The lighting in this diner is so fucking blown out. It's like how you would imagine in an eighties movie, they would depict like heaven. Just like those really blindingly bright white lights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how this diner is lit everybody, and they're just sitting there casually having a conversation of like, well, obviously the sheriff must be the killer. So during this whole viewing, I was eating dinner, uhhuh, my food tasted bad. Oh God. Somehow watching this movie destroyed my senses that my delicious meal that I made tasted horrible and you'll never be able to eat it again. No. Ruined, ruined taste aversion is real. Everybody like, after, after watching it, I needed to cleanse my own palette and I needed something comforting. So I found some vegan Cheetos. I found some vodka. Oh my God. And I hate vodka. I hate Chee. Actually, I love Cheetos. I just needed ex Cheetos are great. Cheetos are delicious. Yeah. And they're the Cheetos pups. Ooh, yes. I love Cheetos and vegan Cheetos. Cheetos. They're good. Cheetos. Cheetos. Cheetos. Uhhuh. They, they, they were delicious. What brand? Hip pea. Oh, I know about them. They're really good. Are they the ones that have the super simple packaging that are just like, these are still not healthy. yeah, they were really good. Yeah, they're they're really good. Yeah. Uh, God, where even are we? July. Oh yeah. They pick the sheriff as a bad guy and then later that night we get a gratuitous bra shot. Because Amber's Amber's getting changes. She's getting ready to pack her bags and go stay with Zoe. This is one of my straight roommate was like, yeah, we're gonna see some tits. And then she covers it right away and he goes, what the fuck? Very PG 13. That bra looked very uncomfortable too. Yeah, it was really stiff. It looked so uncomfortable. It was really stiff. I'm not a regular bra wearer. Uh, I only wear them in drag, so I'm just always uncomfortable in a bra. But bra wearers out there, let me know if you see this. Does that bra look uncomfortable or is it just me? I think just the whole thing was uncomfortable. Yeah. Anyway, Colby decides to write a little threatening note to the sheriff, and the sheriff finds it on his dashboard. And red herring, red herring. Red herring. Is this, when they have this, the, the suggested sex. Not yet. Okay. No. Zoe has her little dream sequence. See, this is what I'm talking about. Like where it makes it feel like this is Zoe's movie because she has a double fake out dream sequence, and then she wakes up surrounded by slashes on her couch and her guitar is broken. Mm-hmm. It felt very nightmare in Elm Street, like Final Girl Tee, but I don't know why, because she's not the final girl in this movie. She's not, that, that dream was, it made me feel very uncomfortable. It was just so, it was just so static that staticky, but just, it cut so many times. I don't even know how to, it was disorienting. It was hard to latch on to anything, which I'm normally all four in dream sequences, but this was too close to how they edit the rest of the movie where it's just it's jarring. It's very jarring. Yeah. I've had more pleasant visions when I was wasted. Yeah. And it's pointless again. What's the point of this? Yeah. There's no, there's no point. What's the point of this? So she has a bad dream. She has a bad dream. Speaking of dreams. Mm-hmm. After I watched this movie, I had a really interesting dream mm-hmm. That I was part of this like Madonna concert. Mm-hmm. And I had to, we, we were all like paying homage to Madonna and I was the like, lovely. I was like, I was the like aversion Madonna. Oh, how fun. But I couldn't find, my outfit. I couldn't find the wedding dress. Oh really? That's sucks. Sucks. So to like, I had to like, go through the parking lot to find this, the wedding dress outfit, but I couldn't find it. So I had to make my own outfit. But then they switched it on me and they're like, actually we need you for express yourself. And you had that after watching this movie. This movie inspired that. That's also a very generous thing, Richard. I am really trying here. It's, I don't know my Simpson, my subconscious didn't know what to do. Listen, with this vomit that just happened, listen, it was like, we need, we need you to be comforted. You are a Madonna girl. You're a Madonna girl. You're a Madonna girl during your favorite eras. Mm-hmm. Listen, you don't even have to try if you don't want to. Anyway. What's his fuck? His swimming kolby. The Abercrombie guy, the P out frat boy. And he gets a fucking hook through his Achilles, as he's swimming and he gets away and then he's just on crutches, just casually hanging out with, that's why he's on crutches. I was trying to figure it out. Did you go to the bathroom again or were you cleaning your kitchen? I think, I think both. Both. I was taking a shit while cleaning my kitchen. Someone had to work here, honestly. Yeah, no, that's why he was in crutches and then they all decide we have to leave town. Tomorrow's the fourth. Tomorrow's the anniversary. Oh, yeah. That was, wasn't it? Zoe's idea to leave town? I don't remember. I just know that they wanted to, but then the next day they don't because, the show that nobody ever talked about was never brought up, just randomly dropped on us, and then the morning of you're like, oh, yeah, there's an agent gonna be there. I just found out. And they book clubs all across the state of Colorado and maybe la, maybe la, maybe la. They love, dang, this dangling this idea of la Yeah, LA is kind of like that little on mistake. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Which makes sense. I mean, a lot of the west and southwest, like that's the place that that's the place. Oh, because you're like, it's pretty close anyway. Yeah, and it's rather incestuous, especially growing up in Vegas, a lot of SoCal folks came to us for their vacations, and we went down there for vacations. So there's a lot of saliva swapping, there's a lot of, just familiarity with especially environments. Um, although it's, of course it's much colder in Colorado, but you know, it's still generally the same ecosystem. And, it's just like the closest city if you have big dreams, you know, it's, it's much closer than New York Anyway, um, what else do I do in this movie? Let's see. Yeah. Well, Richard's dead. Richard is dead. Oh, I forgot the night before. They visit the cops. They did. And that, that weird party. Yeah. Like all the dudes are there again, why is, what's the point of this scene? Yeah. All the cops are there just throwing back brewski with the boys and it's like different ages of people. Mm-hmm. Like there were some people, like there were teens, there were old men. Mm-hmm. There were like 30. I'm like, what is this weird Yeah. Secret society going on here? And it was a KK, K meeting that they walked out. Honest. This, The true fishermen was the K, k, K. We met along the way anyway, so Yeah, they go to that. There's no point to that scene. There's no point. I think the point of the scene was that there was Do you there was a, a shot of what Allison? Oh, with the fucking, the, the mirror. The, the mirror. The mirror. So I'm just watching this and I'm like, okay. They, this is something I recall dur during college when I had to take film electives or whatever. This, this could be a value. This is something, this could be rich. And so this is when my, my actor, film film, roommate comes in, Zach, and he's just like, oh, oh, I think this, like, I think this represents duality. And I go, not that deep, bro. I go, Zach, don't, don't try to justify this bullshit. This is crap. Yeah. This is literally like, literally I feel out to like, oh man, we got his face in the shot. Should we all just leave it? Just leave. No. Well, here's, so here's the shot that Rich is talking about. Everybody. They're having a conversation thereby Fuck Ass's motorcycle. Lance's motorcycle. Mm-hmm. And the camera is on amber and the mirror of the motorcycle is in frame, and you can see his face in the mirror. I know that for a fact that that was intentional. And I know that that director must have been so proud of himself for that shot. He's like, oh yeah, this is, this is the shot. This is the shot. But no, but why, I mean, maybe because they were running tight on schedule and they couldn't, afford to do, dual coverage, so they were just like, you know what, let's just get his face in the mirror and we'll just do it in a Warner. Because the thing is, when you shoot scenes like this,, Depending on your schedule, like if you have a good command of your time, you're going to get, you're wide, you're going to get your over the shoulder, your close up, you're gonna get your closeup of each person so that you have a lot to play with when you edit it together. I'm just thinking, you know what, they probably fell behind on shooting schedule and they didn't have time for that coverage. So they're just like, you know what? Fuck it. Let's get the mirror in there so we can get both of their faces in the shot and call it a day. Ho. That's my thought. I am so clever. But I mean, that whole scene, they're just more roundabout nonsense talking and then Amber's just like, by the way, Colby's not my boyfriend anymore, which is what leads to the implication of sex the next day, slut. So yeah, the next day we meet up at Zoe's house and she's just like, I can't because my agent will leave town after. Mm-hmm. And then the. Only part of this movie that even acknowledges the fact that the other two movies exist. Wow. When they find the little clip outs. Yeah, the little clip outs of just like, oh, just some guy went psycho and killed people in some fishing town and then like 10 years ago, and then like, you know, he came back and tried to kill them in some Caribbean island, even though the headline says Bahamas. there's like, and then he died. But why did we get this an hour into the movie? That should have been the first thing we see. Well, I think so. Like there's some ti there's like literally no tie to the original movie. No. Until that moment, the beginning of the film, all we get is just like the urban legend version of it. Which I mean, you know, I'm just gonna say this now. I do think that there is a world in which this general theme can work. I actually kind of like this idea. Of Ben Willis, in the first two movies. Mm-hmm. Like being a human. Yeah. Killing these people. And then just being so evil and perverse that after he dies, he becomes this spiritual embodiment of punishment for people who, commit atrocities and lie about it. But I do, I mean, that would've been great if that was the premise of the movie. I think that's, I. I isn't that, maybe that's what they're trying to do. I don't know. I, but I do think that there is a, a way to make that work. This is not it. No, but I do think, okay, if you're trying to turn this movie into a franchise, why? I mean, they did it with fucking, Jason Voorhees. They brought him back and that, that went well. German entity. Yeah. Yeah. Granted that was the eighties. But I think there's, there's a way that this could have worked where the fishermen, ascended beyond the mortal coil and became this supernatural urban legend ala Candy Man and Bloody Mary and stuff like that. I think that would be kind of cool. That would've been cool. You know? It would've, it, it. I'm just thinking of like the scene. If this were to be the idea, you would have the, I I feel like the opening sequence should be him and hell and like his, we dwell, delve more into his story. Or if even just like expand on the urban legend a little bit more. Mm-hmm. And not try to do so many red herrings. Ah. Where it's like, oh, is it the sheriff? Oh no, he just got killed. I guess it's not him. Oh, is it this officer? Oh, he just got killed. I guess it's not him. Yeah. It should just be like, oh, it's definitely the fishermen. It's Ben. I think it should have been established very early on. Like this is a supernatural film. Mm-hmm. This is, yeah. Yeah. This is the, this is the lore. Oh, this is the universe we live in. This is where we should have gotten that full backstory of like 10 years ago in Southport, da da da. Mm-hmm. This and this and this happened and he died. But people still say that the spirit of Benjamin Willis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lives on to punish people who do X, Y, Z. 1, 2, 3. I think that would've been enough. But instead, I don't know they again, but you're like, set, you're setting the environment, which this movie does not do. No, not at all. So that's my thought. I think that this could have very, quite possibly worked had they put any thought into it. But here we are. They have sex implications. I will say, I don't hate Zoe's music. It's not great. I just love all the times that she, she touches her hair. Oh. It's just to hide the fact that she's not actually singing and she's lip syncing. That's what it is. It's also like early s like emo, a lne. Paramore, like Oh, yeah, yeah. Like angsty. Oh, with the American flags behind her. Fuck that. That's set. That's, mm-hmm. Anyway, so they're at the show. Colby is drunk and gross. Oh yeah, he was, he was, he made himself to the bar there. Yeah. On his crutches. Zoe does her show, they're called Zoe in the Hooks. Did you catch that? No, I did not. Her band is called Zoe in the Hooks. That's funny. Mm-hmm. Okay. That's funny. Yeah. And then after the show, they get attacked by the fishermen, just randomly. He just like pops out from a shelf and like starts chasing them through some lockers and then somehow Zoe gets separated from all of them. They don't show us how. No. They just run to some doors and the next thing we see is Zoe running upstairs. Upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, the fisherman kills her, throws her off, throws her off a banister or something. Yeah, exactly. At how she falls. Into like the abyss, you know, with the, with the leg. Oh, yeah. Oh, I think I wrote down. Hold on, hold, hold, hold on. Um, uh, she gets killed and tossed over the ledge. Seems she has one dream lying on the ground with one Disney knee up. You, y'all remember Disney knees? Yeah. It's, it's so strategically placed. That again, is a very high school thing. It's just like, oh, I'm gonna fall and I'm gonna Ugh. But how do we suggest like, you're dead. Exactly. Oh, I know. the sheriff finds her, he gets killed by the fishermen. Mm-hmm. Amber and, Lance, a knot lot end up running. Lance. They run into Hafner. Zoe's body is in the back of his car for some reason. Mm-hmm. And they think it's him. And then the fisherman shows up and kills him and, and pales him on the forklift. Yes. Which everyone was like, oh my God, that death was so cool. I guess by comparison. Oh, Colby also died in here Kolby. Yes. Yes. He, he gets killed in the kitchen. He does. They find his body in a dumpster, which was kind of nice. I like that. But also, how is it that Colby suddenly can walk, he's running through that kitchen, he's on crutches and then all of a sudden homeboy can run. Yeah. And we're not, it's not like he just like delicately sprained his ankle. He got a fucking hook through his Achilles tendon. Yeah. He can't use that shit. But now he's like jumping over tables and stuff. Yeah, it's insane. But he dies. Doesn't matter. And also in a very underwhelming way. And then they find out that the original,'cause I guess the hook that they used for the prank was the original hook from the murders in Southport. What, that's what they said. It was a one throwaway line. And that original hook from the murders is the only thing that can hurt this fisherman apparently.'cause a shotgun. Couldn't do it. That's, that's when we realized, wait a minute, there is a supernatural thing going on.'cause they were like shooting him. Yeah. And it was not phasing. Yeah. Two shots with a shotgun and then boop, you're on a forklift. Whoops. Yeah, she hits him with the, the fish hook and some black goo comes out and she's like, this can hurt him. I'm ending this now. Rah, rah, rah rah. And then he just comes outta nowhere again and starts chasing them. They try to set up a trap that fails miserably. This is when they like try to put, they put the hook on some rope to swing it into him and he just dodges. Oh. But they do, um. She turns on like, it's a, a snow chipper. A snow, some kind of like machine mechanism. It's like a wood chipper for snow. And then she hooks him in the top of his head and shoves him inside of it. And then it's just like, fucking chocolate puddings sprayed all over the fucking place. But her, her line, when she pushes him in it, it dies with you. The secret dies with you. The secret dies with you. Sounds stupid. Yeah.'cause they kept saying, the secret dies with us. The secret dies with us. And now she's like, the secret dies with you. And then we have our ambulance, little hon and she's just like, oh. He was just, I didn't get to see his face, but he's just some guy from not around here wanting more of what he did last summer, but he won't be bothering anybody anymore. Cut. Yeah. To one year later, one year later, driving through Nevada and her, she pops a tire and then the fisherman's behind her, it's so stupid. This movie, man, I did not want to go in depth or too, like in, in detail on any of that. But there weren't many details to go into depth. No, not really. Do you have any like thoughts or like any, any other things that you noticed about it? I want my money back. I feel in pain. Mm-hmm. I feel I, I'm having horrible flashbacks of the fact that I'm clutching myself like this. Yeah. And he's doing the, the superstar fingers under the armpits, everybody. yeah. It's not good. It is not good at all. I will say I do think as a, a time capsule of the early two thousands, it, like, it works. Like I did find myself feeling a little small twinge of nostalgia.'cause I was in my teens at this time. Yeah. I was only, I was like maybe a couple of years younger than these characters were supposed to be. So there is like that little sweet spot of early aughts. Nostalgia. Yeah. Like, oh, this was the fashion. Yeah. These were the trends. And it's one of those things where it's like, it's not for better or for worse. It's only for worse. It's just, it's all of the bad parts I know I've said that before, but I'm gonna say it again over and over and over and over and over again. and I do think that it is, it's the worst version of some other films that I think can be enjoyable. Like, stay Alive, which is like the video game one where if you die in the game, you die in real life. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like Cry Wolf or something like that. I, I view this very much in the same vein. Well, it's, it's less than those, but I think, it's the worst of that kind of horror, which had its own special place in this time period. Just like this grainy, low quality, my space styled, kind of my space, uh, you know, cynical horror.'cause this is like, this is pretty close to post nine 11, so there's a lot of cynicism in the media right now, you know? Mm-hmm. where we were transitioning away from the neo slasher into more torture porn kind of stuff that people called it. I, You don't have to watch the whole thing to, to appreciate this. You can just watch a couple of clips to be like, oh yeah, that is, that is that time period. Yeah. Like this is a time capsule of horror movies from this era. but I'm going to, well, let's talk real quick. Okay. So we talk so much about the characters. These characters suck. They're so forgettable what is it, do you think about a slasher that makes characters work? Like what's, what, what makes, because we have seen one dimensional slasher characters we have that have worked and that are way more fun to watch. So why do you think that is? I think because those characters push an element of some kind of camp. Mm-hmm. Or They're really that extreme character. Mm-hmm. Meaning like, if you are the blonde, you are the dumb blonde. Mm. If you're the bad girl, you are a bad girl. If you're a Fract guy, you are fratty as fuck. Mm-hmm. But we don't have any strong commitments here. No, we don't. It's just like, okay, I kind of suggest this, but I'm not gonna go all the way. It's lukewarm. It's like, a slasher flavored laqua, you know, the faint thought of a slasher movie. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm with you there. I needed like a strong flavor. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Or like, there's an element of humor to it. Mm-hmm. But for not, we're laughing, we're laughing with the movie, not at the movie. Yeah. Like they, like, they're okay with making fun of themselves. Yeah. There's no humor in this movie. There's none. None. Like they were too serious about it. Yeah. Were, that's the thing, like in the first, uh, two, I know you did last summers, and I think in horror movies in general, there's always some element of humor. Oh, yeah. Horror. I, I, I've said this and humor before, and I'll say it again. Horror and comedy are two sides of the same coin. Mm-hmm. They're more closely related than a lot of people think, than you would think. Yeah. Yeah. But this had no elements of humor whatsoever. No. And I feel like even with the second movie in this franchise, I still know, I think there was still a level of self-awareness. Not a lot, but I think there was still just like a little twinge of just like, okay, we're not gonna take this too seriously. Yeah. Like with Jack Black, right? Mm-hmm. There were those elements that were just like, okay, It is stupid, but they know it's stupid. They know it's stupid. Yeah. But this one, they were just like, we are honestly trying to make a movie. We're doing our best. Yeah. We're, we're, we're, we're making something. I agree with you and I think that's why these characters don't work.'cause I don't care about a damn one of them. I don't, I don't even know their names. Yeah. Apparently I'm one of them. The dumbest one. Yep. I do though this morning everybody, so I'm a little bit of the lore. We're gonna pull back the curtain in a minute. I haven't pulled back the curtain in a minute. Pull it back, baby., So Richard and I were originally gonna record this episode a little bit later on today. Mm-hmm. We were gonna record it in about three hours and, I was having coffee, I was going over my notes. I was just writing everything out and stuff. And Richard was just like, Hey, I'm gonna be like in your area at 10. Uh, do you just want to do it sooner if it's, if it's too much notice? Like by all means? And I was like, no, please. And then I told Richard, I was like, I don't know if I have much to say about this movie'cause it's so bad. And then. After we made plans to meet earlier. Mm-hmm. I all of a sudden had a realization. And the thing is, this movie, by no means does it deserve what I'm about to offer up as a queer analysis. They were not trying to do this at all. They are not this deep. I am the one who came up with this because I, as a person, A, I can justify a lot of things. It's a talent of mine, Uhhuh, for better or for worse. B, if I'm going to do this episode, I want to have at least something to say. Okay. And I want to at least like try to make a connection. Right. All right. So I present to you, the parallels that I have found between the themes of this movie and the AIDS crisis and the eighties. I am ready. This is what, this is unintentional. Commentary on inherited trauma that you personally have not experienced, but it affects you. Right. Uhhuh It's, it's'cause we, we have Ben Willis Right. Haunting a new generation that he has no connection to. Okay. People that he did not have to form a connection to. Right, right. Okay. so I think a lot about growing up. I grew up in the early nineties or I grew up in the nineties, in the early two thousands where like my childhood, in teenage years I grew up raised with a very heavy and intense stigma around HIV and aids. Yes. At a time where it was so demonized and it was just beaten to my head. That it's like this terrible thing. And you could get, you could get just by talk to someone get Exactly. And so as a young queer person, I grew up afraid. I never personally lived through the AIDS crisis of the eighties, but I haven't inherited the trauma of that. Mm-hmm. And the stigma that was pressed onto, these people that were affected by it. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a pretty crazy,'cause I, I grew up in the same time you did? Mm-hmm. I was in the Bay Area in San Francisco. Mm-hmm. And I remember my parents saying, Hey, don't use any payphone. Mm-hmm. And I was like, why not? And they're like, because people hide needles in there and that's how you're gonna get aids. Mm-hmm. Like, these were, these were news articles that were coming out in the Bay Area during the nineties. Mm-hmm. And being, coming from a queer family, it's very like that that fear also was ingrained in me too. Very much so you had like all of this, judgment and persecution and like similarly my mom, who. Admittedly is not a very well-informed person. She's never gonna hear this. It's fine. She, her, if she didn't want me to do anything, her reasoning would be like, don't do that. You'll catch aids and die. Yep. It was, you know, it was used as like the boogeyman. Mm-hmm. You know, which like looking back now, I'm like, that is the dumbest, that is the dumbest thing to say. Well, it's so damaging. It's so damaging to the community. That's why there's such a, even today when we have so many treatment options So many more ways to protect ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. Whether like through prep or post exposure, no matter what the case there, there's. So much now so much more knowledge. Mm-hmm. And, understanding with, you know, being undetectable and being untransmittable. Yeah. Yeah. With all of that on the table, there is still an extreme amount of stigma and bias against people who are HIV v positive. Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yes. And a huge reason is because of that. The fear, the, the, the, like the, the boogeyman type. Yeah. That entire narrative that rhetoric that was being spun, especially for those of us who are at a young impressionable age, it's like you really have to be introspective enough and have enough, critical and dialectical thinking abilities to unpack all of that. Yeah. And realize oh, my way of seeing this, This thing is heavily influenced by, an administration that blamed the queer community for this disease. Mm-hmm. And that did not want to help them, wanted to view it as a punishment for their quote unquote lifestyle, the, the gay disease. Yeah. and it's, again, it's like part, part of that inherited trauma uhhuh and how that relates to this. This movie is like these, these teenagers have had no contact with the origin of this story. Okay. They have only heard it, and it has been sanitized and it has been diluted. Mm-hmm. Which is another thing that we experienced as queer people. Our history, we don't get to hear or experience as it was. Mm-hmm. We get a very sanitized and diluted. Version of events, right? We know about the Monster AIDS Uhhuh. We don't know about the people that it affected. We don't know about the communities that it tore through. Much like these characters only know about the fishermen. There is not a single reference to any of the original people that the fishermen impacted. So it's that diluted sanitization of this, this history that they're experiencing. And so with all of that to be said, when they finally commit this act that, will lead them to being essentially persecuted uhhuh by their community, much like people were persecuted. For being gay. Mm-hmm. You know, being, thrown out of hospitals, the whole community turned their back on them. That's what these characters were afraid of if their secret got out. Let's see, what else? Well, that's, that is very rich. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Let's see, a group of teens. Yeah. The group of teen makes the same mistake as those before them, and then they have to deal with those consequences. Oh. And then, silence equals death, which was a huge phrase from Act Up. Yes. Which is like one of the most profound, radical, impactful queer movements, ever really. Mm-hmm. And I couldn't help but think silence equals death. And then their phrase, the secret dies with us. Oh. And the parallels between that. Refusing to acknowledge and,, staying silent when things are so bad is going to result in death. It's going to result in destruction. Mm. and it's like, again, that, and even today, I still have friends who, well, it's like the whole, like, don't think about it. Don't talk about it. It's not going to kill you. Yeah. Yeah. I have friends today who still don't get tested because they're scared. I know. That's the worst thing. It's the worst thing. And listen, I'm having conversations with each and every one of them, encouraging them to, I get tested every three months. I get tested at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but there's, I get tested whenever I do the deed. I want to know. Yeah. That way if, if I get something, I'm like, you're the fucker who gave it to me. Yeah. And then so you need to stop and with that knowledge, like you can act and you can do preventative stuff. Exactly. So, again, back to that whole silence equals death thing. If you, it's this whole narrative of you can't talk about it or it's going to come and get you. And it's like, mama, whether you talk about it or not, it's gonna come back and get you. Mm-hmm. If, you know, if you were exposed to this thing. Whether you like it or not, if you want to acknowledge it, it's going to be there. You know, the rhythm's gonna get you. Yes. Oh, and then again, it's just that notion of Ben Willis becoming so powerful that he no longer needs that personal connection to his victims. He's expanded beyond his origin to be able to now impact and infect Yes. People that had absolutely no roots in where he originated. Okay. So he himself can be, you know, you can draw parallels to zombie band, Willis and the virus. So,, again, It just like comes down to being haunted by, a history that you can't really talk about or escape from, you know, and some people who have the emotional intelligence and the willingness to educate themselves and learn more about the history and, do what they want with that knowledge, you know, that knowledge is power in protecting yourself and in protecting your community and in encouraging those around you who may not be, to also, you know, look out for themselves in that way. But there's a lot of people out there who are haunted by the events of the crisis in the eighties, and they're not able to escape from that. No, no. And they can't talk about it because it's so stigmatized and they are so afraid of it. And maybe they live in a community where you can't talk about it because there's so much negative bias towards it. Mm-hmm. So it's, again, it's similar to how in the first movie we were talking about, This concept of it being like an allegory for guilt and being in the closet. Yes, yes. And grief and stuff like that. It's similar to that. It's just like that monster that's always behind you that you can't talk about and that you can't acknowledge because it's so scary and because there is so much of a negative stigma wrapped around it, and because it did get so fucking big. Mm. It's really hard to not have that fear in your heart anytime you do, a deed that could potentially expose you. You know? So again, this movie did not deserve that deep of a critical analysis. I was like, wow. Cry baby. Yeah. You, you Like, if that French director was here, he'd be like, wow. Yes. That is what I did. That is what I did. Yeah. But you know, again, like I said, I, there's, if you give me enough coffee and time, I can, I can probably draw parallels between almost anything. I mean, you really did. Thank you. I just think this movie is a hate crime. This, yeah. This movie, this is a direct attack on gay people. Yes. Because the thing is, is that the previous two movies had our hot teen idols, characters and actors that were gay icons. You all lured us with a third one. And what happened? You put somebody on the poster That wasn't even in the movie. That's what happened. Was it even on there? That's what happened. I'm offended. Yeah, if you want to watch it, I'm not gonna stop you, but just know that you don't have to,. There's, there's so many better things out there to watch. But if you do watch it, please let us know. Anything. Yes. Anything, yes, yes, yes. Actually, you're desperate. You can hit me up on the Instagram or email or whatever. I, I want to commiserate with you. I want to, I want, did we miss something? I don't know. Maybe. No, we didn't. We didn't. The whole world is on our side here. and there's some things where I'm like, okay, well just because the majority thinks it's so, does not mean that it's true. True. This movie is the exception. Oh, it sucks. It's pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty offensive. It's in again, it's not in the camp of so bad is good. Like No, no, no, no. Not at all. Evil Bong I thought was a horrible movie. I enjoyed that way more than I enjoyed this movie because this movie is like, there, it's so flavorless, you know, it's like you go to. A deli and you want to get yourself a nice, robust, flavorful sandwich. A chopped cheese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a Ruben or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they give you an empty sandwich bag. Oh, there's not even private. Yeah. Well it, it's the sandwich bag that they, they stored the onions in before they ran out of onions. That's what this movie is. It's such a, it's a disappointment. Oh my God. There's no, there's no flavor to it. But you can, like, there's just enough of like a shadow of what it could have been and that it's just like, damn, dude, why? this is literally, and I, I, I don't say this lightly, genuinely the worst movie I've ever seen. And I've been to a lot of small, independent, film festivals'cause I'm in a collective and we make movies. Yeah. So like, we'll go to festivals. I've seen a lot of shit. And this is. Yeah, this is shit. This is at the bottom of it. This is shit. The worst movie I've ever seen. I think like the horror movie that I made when I was 12 is more entertaining than this probably. Oh, by the way, did you did tell them about it. Oh, we found something. I, we, this we, you have to find this. I, so apparently, I learned this from my little sister commenting on our videos, but we, me and my sisters filmed a horror movie back in the nineties.'cause of course we were a horror family and it was called like the Scissor Murderers or the Scissor Serial Killer. So Fun. And I was the killer. Of course. Duh. Well, we have to find this footage. You really do have to find this footage. Oh. And if it, we will throw it up. If it, we will analyze it and see if it's better than this movie. We should. Well that's all I really have to say about this movie. Do you have anything else that you have to say? I. I wanna go home. Beautiful. I need to start editing this anyway, because I have to submit my computer for repair. So, just to let y'all know there's a possibility the next episode or two might be delayed because I have to get my computer fixed. There's nothing like majorly wrong with it. It's just the keyboards like fucked up. I mean, I have to digest the trauma that I just watched that too. Yeah, you need to go I need to cleanse myself, eat some fruit and do a face mask. I'm gonna eat some Cheetos, burn some sage, something like that. But you know what I do, but thank you for that queer analysis. Of course. Like that is, that is a connection. Thank you. That is a connection. I wouldn't have been able to think of that. I do my best. I do my best. And the fact that I threw that together maybe like two hours ago, that's why it's not like super, super deep. It is very surface level analysis, but hey, we're, we're, we got a connection. Listen, yeah, if there's one thing I'm good at, it's coming up with some good shit last minute. That's how half of my drag numbers are. I pull it together the day before. Notice also that this was so bad that I did not burp. I was gonna say, you didn't do a single burp this episode. I think right now the burp count is at like 16 or 17. Okay. Listen, I can't remember. That's impressive. I'm so tired of editing everybody. I cannot wait until I'm making enough money to hire an editor. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's, I used to,'cause I watch it and listen to a lot of other podcasts, right? Mm-hmm. And I retain a lot of information from their episodes. Yeah, yeah. So whenever I hear them talking about previous, um, episodes that they've done and they're just like, oh, I can't remember. It was this, this, and this. And I'm there just like, well, duh. It's this. Like, I remember that. Why can't you Now I understand because I have gone through editing every single episode that I've done. Yeah, yeah. And I can't remember, there's just so much that I have to do. I can't remember what's what, so. It's okay because next episode I'm gonna do our final count, um, our final tally of, of burps. Hell yeah. Hell yes, baby. With that said, I am excited. I think even though this movie sucked, it's going to make us so excited for the new one. We're gonna go see it. It comes out this Friday. We're gonna go see it. Ah, yes, we are. Oh, it's gonna, it comes out the day that this episode comes out. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So I'm so excited to see this movie with you. Me too. And I think no matter what, it's not gonna be as disappointing as this one. No, there's only, only up from here. Only up from here. Only up. And if somehow manages to be worse in this movie, we're gonna have a lot to talk about. Burn it down, Barbara. Burn it all to the ground. Shut it down. The industry is a failure. Start from scratch, mama. We can't do it anymore, I doubt that's ever gonna happen. I mean, yeah, the, the Julie James is coming back. Thank fucking God. Oh. Yeah. Oh, well, I, I'll talk about that on the episode. Yeah, because I read some tea about, the making of that movie. Really? I'm gonna share that for the bitching of the pot. Yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, it's honestly, I think it's some bullshit and we'll talk about it later. So on that cliffhanger everybody, Richard, where can our listeners find you? You guys could find me on the gram at Lord Fierce TikTok at Plant Daddy md, or visit my website@plantdaddymd.com. You better? Yes. And you can find me Cry Baby, uh, on the Instagram at Crying in Public. That's crying without the G in under public. Of course you can follow Horror Icon Podcast. That's gonna be Horror Icon Pod, W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on the Instagram. we'll see you next time. Cuties talking about the newest, I know he did last summer, so looking forward to that. Until then, cuties, do not be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Bye.