16. I Know What You Did Last Summer (2025)

🎣 It’s another blood-soaked Fourth of July on Whorror Icon! This week, Crybaby and Richard dive into the 2025 reboot of I Know What You Did Last Summer, where Gen Z meets generational trauma in the most gentrified version of Southport yet.

They’re unpacking everything from legacy characters and coastal elitism to the film’s commentary on class, accountability, and whether or not this was just one big slab of fan service. Plus: returning icons, controversial killer reveals, and some heated takes on who this movie is really for. 

Is it a clever update or just a hot mess with an even hotter cast? Whichever it is—we’re watching, judging, and thirsting. 

Chapters

• 0:00 Intro and Yap Sesh
• 11:32 General Thoughts
• 21:59 Spoiler Territory: CryBaby's Breakdown
• 25:24 Bitch the Pot
• 36:29 Cast of Characters
• 43:04 Revealing the Killer
• 57:20 Themes and Easter Eggs
• 1:03:42 An Iconic Return
• 1:10:45 Queer Elements and Representation
• 1:21:21 Reflecting on the Franchise and Final Thoughts

Transcript

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How are we feeling? Are we feeling hydrated? Oh, we could be more. Same bottoms up. Mm. There we go. That's gonna kick off. The whole episode What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody, but. welcome back, cuties. Welcome to Horror Icon. I just said welcome twice in one sentence. That's nonsensical. Hi, cuties, and welcome back to Horror Icon. You're a queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and absolutely stupid. I'm crybaby the spooky slut from your wettest nightmare. I'm Richard Brooklyn's favorite plants Addie. You betcha. And we are finally here. We've made it baby. We've made it. Baby. We've made it. We're talking about the reboot of I Know What You did last summer. this episode I was hoping to get out yesterday, but mama had to get her computer repaired, so here we are. It's been a weird week. It has been really weird. Yeah. I think Mercury's in retrograde or something, right? That it is in retrograde. Oh, it is. Okay. Mercury's absolutely in retrograde. Very five. Um, yeah, I was telling Richard earlier. I was cat sitting for like a little over a week and it was in Flatbush, which is the same continent as Wick, I felt like I was in a lawless land I didn't really feel like going out anywhere'cause I didn't wanna deal with public transit and, and who wants to go out right now? It's muggy, it's humid, it's gross. That's true. I think it's gonna be like 90 degrees tomorrow. Oh. That's actually very true.'cause I did not go outside, so a lot of people were complaining about how hot it was. It's pretty gross. I was ac watching drop out tv, everybody. That's what I was doing. Summer, summer, summer in the city right there. Oh indeed. you know, when you have, like your set routine and then you get pulled out of your environment and all of that falls away and then you suddenly, and you're like a sim you don't know what to do. Raw roots impression. I'm like, I'm like putting my baby in the toilet and lighting my refrigerator on fire. That's kind of how I felt. Oh, I was evil when I played the sims. Oh, me too. Tell me. Okay, so I used to trap people in that square and build walls around them, Uhhuh and have them like pee on themselves and then die. That's bad. I, I was worse. Oh wait. Oh you worse. Oh my God. Please don't judge me for this people. I promise I'm a really nice person. Okay. So what did you do? I did, obviously, you know, I had the Rosebud thing, so I had unlimited money and resources. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I would do,'cause the maximum, size you could have for a family would be eight. Right? You could only go up to eight people. So I would make a family of eight two or four kids and, and four parents. It was a very like polyamorous, like very polyamorous household. Um, but what I did, it was very like, saw meets the hunger Games, like squid games kind of thing. I would build this mansion. Yeah. And I would have rooms with like different challenges in it. And whoever performed the worst in the challenge, I would lock in the room and I would Okay. I would like, I would kill them in different ways. Like, I would let them starve to death. I would turn it into a swimming pool. I would put fireworks, whatever the case may be. And I would just like, they would die. And then there would be one survivor from every family. And I let them live in a, the victory house on the same property, like this beautiful mansion. And eventually when I got to eight survivors, I did an all star season where Oh my God. Yeah. And I did that a couple rounds. And the worst part is I didn't give them names. I, they were numbered. But like I, I wrote out the number, like the winner, the ultimate victor of all this was a little girl and her name was four spelled PHOR. But the thing is, even though she was the winner of all of this, because so many people had died on that property, it was haunted as fuck. There were ghosts all the time.'cause the sims had ghosts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the, um, of course there was all of the fucking graves, like the, the headstones in the back. So even though four had one was like the ultimate victor. Her quality of life was trash because she was scared to death from all of the ghosts. The trauma. Yeah. Well, and the trauma of course, but all of the ghosts that were just swarming this victory house it. Listen, it sounds worse than it is. I promise I'm sane. It's better that I do that in a video game than in real life. Touche. You know what, what I'm saying? Like, touche, I got it outta my system. Yeah, yeah. Who knows what would've happened if I did? And now look at us now. A fucking, we're good. We're friends. A cross dresser, even though I'm not in drag today, everybody, it's like I said, lawless land. I'm actually, I'm dressed like a fucking 5-year-old. I'm in a shirt that's probably five sizes too big for me. It goes down to my knees. I don't have to wear pants if I don't want to. You don't have to, but I am. Oh, I'm wearing gym shorts, so wear fine. I'm decent, everybody. What are you drinking today? I'm having a, a ginger kombucha. Uh, we're just helping my digestion because I got fucked up last night off some bougie martinis. Mm-hmm. And at 2:00 AM I think I ordered Thai food and ate it. Oh, that sounds so good. No, So Richard is hungover and the sky is blue and today ends in y. No, but good for you. Thai food sounds fucking great. Yeah, and I swear ginger don't drink that much. It just happens that when we film this, I happen to party the day before. Well, I mean, it is Sunday. Not to say that you have a standard issue, nine to five job, but Saturday night's a pretty juicy Yeah. Party. But we usually film on Mondays. King of Drag comes out tonight. Have you been watching King of Drag? I haven't, no. Girl. And this is to all you listeners out there too. I fucking live for King of Drag. Really? The production quality, of course, it's, its first season. It's low budget, but it's so much fun. Is it on logo? it's an app called Reverie, which it, how dare you disrespect this, this pioneering application like that. You couldn't have held it. Richard. Just letting you know, that tasted like Pat t. Ugh. And it smells like it too. It's this app called Rey, R-E-V-R-Y, Rey.'And it's a queer app with queer media. Mm. And they have King of Drag, which is the first, drag king television competition series. Oh. So it's all kings. And first off, this cast is, I love each and every one of them. Mm-hmm. Shout out to our, our queen's, royalty Tuna melt. Yeah. Tuna melt. Love you. Bs. But yeah, so you like the cast is wonderful. The, the, again, the production quality is like, it's a par, but it's, it's the first season and honestly the first season of this is better than the first season of Drag Race. Oh my God. The first season of Drag Race was, Uh, anyway, back to King of drag. Yes. Yes, yes. It is great. It's the finale tonight. I definitely, I highly recommend watching it. Re is free. You can subscribe if you wanna support queer content, which you should. Which you should. Which, if you're here, I'm guessing you probably do. but the, the artist, my favorite part is getting to know these artists. When I tell you this, and this isn't me being a shady bitch, I'm getting to Shady bitch. Yeah. I'm getting to a point with Drag Race where I'm still happy to see the Queens. Right. I, I think I know where you're going with this. Well, I'm just having a hard time connecting to so many of them. I just don't like drag race anymore. Well, that too. I'm gonna be honest. No, like the past few seasons. And by few I mean like, what, 10? I don't, I don't even know what season we're on Uhhuh. It's just too formulaic for me. Mm-hmm. And it's the, I missed when. The queens had to make their own costumes and we saw them struggling, hot gluing things and just being like, I don't know what I'm doing. Well, because at that point it was, At that point, that really smells like pad tie somebody light a fucking match. So, so, wow. Wow. I felt it right. My nose, everybody felt it. Well, this is, I warned you, we're gonna be very close today. I know. Anyway, to your point, I think, and this isn't to say that when you collaborate with a designer, it's not in good part your vision as an artist. Right. But when you had back then is you had a lot more creative agency, a lot more like involvement on the drag artist part. Mm-hmm. Whereas now it's, it's basically like the red carpet. Who are you wearing? And I. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but to judge people on their ability to afford things mm-hmm. Versus their ability to create things is where I am turned off. Yeah. Because, because you could, anyone who's like rich enough, they could buy a fabulous costume. Mm-hmm. And it's unfair that they're like, wow, that's so beautiful, bitch, you didn't even fucking make it. Yeah. And there's, I will say an argument is probably like, there's the taste factor. Like if someone has quote unquote good taste, I personally feel like that concept is. Stupid. It's stupid. Like this idea of good taste versus bad taste. Um, it's not about taste and like knowing what you, I guess like curating a look like there is some skill in that, but it's a lot more impressive when you're the one creating it. Yeah. It's art. Yeah. So I'm with you there. Um, but back to my initial point, it's like a lot of these queens be kind of back to the whole plug and play. Like you can tell who's a filler queen on drag race right away. Mm-hmm. And it's hard to connect with them because A, the edit doesn't do anything for them and they just kind of disappear. They're just there as cannon fodder to go home. With King of Drag, I genuinely. Connect with and enjoy each and every artist. Mm. Even the, the people that go home super early. I'm just like, I really fuck with these artists and it brings me so much joy to see drag kings with this platform finally getting like exposure and recognition that they deserve. Because kings are wonderful. Yeah. There's, and they don't get enough recognition. They don't, misogyny is, misogyny is real in the gay community. Just because you suck dick doesn't mean that you're not a dick. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no. There's too many people out there who are like gate keeping drag and thinking that it's only for men who want to dress as women when it's really using gender as a paintbrush. Yeah. That's all it is. Yeah. And, and kings are just as capable of some really fun campy, like high fashion kind of looks if you just wanna reduce it down to looks.'cause there's so much more to drag. Yeah. Yeah. But the big argument against Kings is like, what about the looks. It, it's drag is like about commentary. Mm-hmm. It's about art. It's about what's your point of view on things? What's the camp, what's the comedy? Mm-hmm. What's your take? Like I, I feel that pageantry, granted there is a place for pageantry. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But I think in terms of the bigger picture of drag, it's more than just pa pageantry. And I think it's silly for us to just hold. All drag queens and kings to that standard. Exactly. And to sit there and say like, oh, what's a drag king gonna do? Wear a suit and tie every week on the runway when your fave is wearing a corset and a panty every week. Yeah. I mean, come on. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. Different color. Like it's, anyway, um, that was a tangent I wasn't expecting to go on. Um, I know what you did last summer. Yes. So yes, we saw, I know we did last summer. We saw it together. We did. Which was really fun. It was a really fun experience. It was a really, really fun experience. So what we're gonna do, everybody we're of course we're gonna start with like a general spoiler free kind of gig, and then we're gonna go into spoiler territory. What I will say is there's, just watch it first before, and this is my stance on any movie. Mm-hmm. Watch it first before you take in any kind of like, critique, criticism or anything like that, don watch it on your own and form your own opinion. Don't rely on mine. Or don't definitely don, definitely don't rely on Richards. Definitely. No, no, no, no, no. Um, I am here for purely entertainment purposes. That's, yes. Definitely not your thoughts. Definitely not. But yeah, like I, of course I understand there's some people out there that need to have like that, that precursor before going into a horror movie. A little tease. Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about. Like, well, I'm talking about there's some people who just because of anxiety or because of their relationship with horror, they need to know going in, like, where's the jump scare? Where's the, this, I'm not talking about y'all do your thing. I'm talking about the average casual person. Just like if you can see a movie without getting anybody else's opinions before going in, do it. I feel like that's very important. That's always the best route. Yeah. Yeah. Just go into it like judgment free, not expecting anything. Exactly. Yeah. Because I feel, and this, I guess we can just like jump into it. I feel like had I gotten people's opinions before seeing this movie, it would've colored my experience a lot more. Mm-hmm. Because. A lot of people didn't like it. What? Yeah. Right. I'm shook. Yeah. I loved it. It was so fun. It was so good. It was such a fun movie and I feel like, um, yeah. What, oh, I am curious what the haters have to say. A lot of it I think is valid stuff. Okay. Like a lot of the critiques I've seen because I have not done any, any research whatsoever. I have not read any reviews. I didn't even watch the trailer. Like, I want to go, I want to go in this fucking fully raw. Mm-hmm. And I bet it's just, it's so enjoyable.'cause there's so many delightful surprises in this movie. Oh, so many. Especially if you're a fan of the first two movies. So many Easter eggs. but yeah, a lot of the critiques that I've seen were particularly around like the tone. I can't remember if I had this conversation with you'cause I get it. I clocked it. The tone of this movie while fun, sometimes it feels disjointed. There were moments where I felt like I was going back and forth between two separate movies. Oh, yes, yes. One that felt more grounded, like the first one, and one that felt a little bit more campy and self-aware and self-referential. Like scream. I didn't mind it. I didn't either. I think it's because I already have troubles focusing my attention. So the fact that we jump different tones, I was entertained. It was a benefit for you? It was a benefit, yeah. I'm like, I switched tones all the time. I could be happy, I could be sad, I could be angry. Wow. That's the human experience. What I, I think, I think I might be human. Barely. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I didn't think it was bad. I clocked it. I know. I, I, I, when you told me after we saw it, it makes sense. Mm-hmm. I agreed with you completely. Yeah. But I don't think it's necessarily as a, a negative to this film. Mm-hmm. For me. No, no, no. Yeah. So you loved it? I loved it, yeah. As being someone who needs like, or I like lose track of things. Mm-hmm. It kept, it kept me engaged. Yeah. It was engaging. I think it's very Gen Z. It is. It's very Gen Z. Again, I don't mind, I saw a lot of things that were like negatively just like, oh, this Gen Z asked script. And I'm like, well. The characters of Jen's. And we're back. And we're back. That tasted good too. I bet it did. okay. So we talked about, the tone a bit all over the place. Tone. Yes. I do wanna revisit the notion that there is so much in this movie to enjoy if you are a fan of the first two movies. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Some big stuff and some little stuff. Right. How'd you feel about that? I, I mean, there was a moment. I, I literally held your hand. I was like, it's, it's happening. It's happening right now. We literally were, we were beating the shit out of each other with excitement. Like we were just doing, we were doing this the whole time. It was, it, not only were there amazing reveals, that pay homage to the first two movies, but I also love that they showed environments, that also were of the previous two worlds. Mm-hmm. It's very clear to me that the director, um, I, hold on, let me pull up her, I'm gonna pull up name real quick. Yeah. Who's the director? Um, she's, Uh, Jennifer Caton Robinson, who this is a, as far as what I could see, this is the first feature horror that she's done. Oh. She does a lot of writing and she directed a dark comedy. I watched the trailer this morning. I actually kind of wanna see it. What was it? Dark comedy? It's called, it's called Do Revenge. It's on Netflix. It feels very like John Tucker Must Die Meets Jawbreakers, which I, I love Jawbreaker. I don't think I watched John Tucker Must Die. I mean, all you know is just some guy fucks somebody over and they try to kill him. They don't try to kill him, but they try to sabotage him. It's that kind of narrative, but it does have a little bit of a jawbreaker's darkness to it. Yeah. Yeah. A dark humor. Yeah. So, which I could kind of see now. Now I'm reflecting back. Yes. This movie is, it's cheeky as fuck. Yeah, it is. Cheeky as fuck. It, it made me laugh. Mm-hmm. Well, and I think that goes back again to, That duality that we noticed where there's some points that are just so funny and then there's some points that are so grounded. Mm-hmm. And I could tell that, this director really loved this franchise. Oh yeah. You know, you could, she put a lot of love into it. You can tell that this, like you said, the director did her homework. Mm-hmm. She did. And I do think that there, another critique that I've seen of this is that it's too fan servicey. What's wrong with that? I, you know, I think when you are Well, that's, that's a good point. I personally don't have a problem with fan service. At as, as long as it doesn't take away from the story you're trying to tell. Yeah. Right. Some people aren't crazy about fan service. They feel. The, the crew is just creating this moment simply because it's like the popular choice. Okay. But that also brings me to another thing that I don't think was fan service that I think was really bold. They made some bold decisions here that I don't think were fan servicey. I don't wanna get too much into detail. That's true. That is not fan servicey at all. Took some, but it was great. Some big, bold swings that a lot of people I've seen were not happy about. Oh, what? Right. You and I, obviously we have the same kind of. Appreciation for stuff, what people Oh, that made the whole thing. I agree. Hmm. I agree. alright, the last things I'm gonna say. I have, um, I threw with a little poll on the Instagram asking people who saw it, like what they thought. I love a poll. Um, so of course you do. So I got a couple of responses. One of them was you, so what I asked, wait, I answered this question. Yes. So I threw this up on the horror icon Instagram. I was just like, if you saw the new, I know you did last summer. What are your thoughts? Oh, you responded with Fuck yes. Which I already knew. Um, but I got a couple of other response. Um, spill it. All right. A friend of mine from a different state, uh, it's ed on Instagram, said absolutely phenomenal. 10 out of 10. We love it. We love it. Now the next one, this is the last one that I'm gonna share too. It's from our friends at Sleigh, a queer Buffy podcast. Oh, mm-hmm. Okay. Mm-hmm. Hi out there, cuties. They said, it was fun and I think people may have nostalgia goggles on for the quality to the og, as in I love the first one, but I don't think that there was some huge drop in quality. It was campy. So what I think they're saying is that they liked it like we did. But I think, They're also making that point of just like some people are holding the original to, uh, on too high a pedestal. It was good, but this isn't a huge deterrent from it. It's camper. Sure, yeah. But it's not like the first one is like this untouchable masterpiece. It's not it. No. The, it's no. So, yeah, you know, our friends at Slay a queer Buffy podcast give them a follow. They agree with us. They think it was a lot of fun. It was really campy and it was a fun movie. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. And with that said, everybody, we have to get into spoiler territory now'cause I don't know if we can speak anymore in eighties. So, um, I will say, if you haven't watched it yet, go out and watch it and come back. Especially if you really enjoy the first two movies, I think you're gonna Yeah. I. I think you'll enjoy it. I, I really think you'll enjoy it too and watch it in theaters too. Yes. I don't, I do not think you should wait for it to be streaming to watch this. Going to the theater and knowing that you're seeing this with other fans of the franchise is an experience. Mm-hmm. Like when we were there, it was just a few of us are, uh, filing in and it was literally just like all gay dudes. Yeah. I, we, I thought that was really funny. It was a little giggle fest. Yeah. A little gay giggle fest, a little gay giggle fest. It's just nice seeing other people that. Enjoy the same things that you enjoy, but actually getting to, to see them in person. Mm-hmm. Even though you don't say anything, you're sharing the same space. Or like when there's a jump scare, there's a group laugh. I think what's missing these days is that sense of being with each other. Mm-hmm. Rather than just being online. I agree with you. A million percent. I will say this until the day I die, horror movies I feel like are best viewed in theaters. Mm-hmm. And in those kind of communal settings for that reason, because it's so fun and exciting. It's like going to a haunted house, kind of like there's these strangers next to you and you're all kind of like giddy and nervous and laughing. It's just, it's such a fun, communal thing. It is. Or like when like someone gets scared. Mm-hmm. And then like, someone who isn't scared, there's this little laugh too. Mm-hmm. Because there was a moment when I jumped scared. Mm-hmm. And everyone like, turned to me like, oh. You silly. You silly. No, I agree. It's, it's just really fun. So yes, go see it in theaters if you can. And then come right on back to us. And with all of that said, it's time to get in Spoily. Spoiler alert, cutie patties. I do have cry. Babies breakdown for this. I wrote a breakdown for this, everybody. Yay. I can't wait to hear this. Um, it's pretty long. I did not memorize it. So here we go. Here we go. Welcome back to another traumatizing 4th of July Cuties. And if you're wondering how history could possibly repeat itself so easily, no need to look at global current events, just head down to the newly gentrified shores of Southport for some fresh murderous shenanigans. This time we're following a hot, sexy group of ambiguously, aged Gen Z 20 somethings as they navigate the complexities of privilege, legacy, accountability, and post-mortem skincare. The subtle class tension of the original film is now fully main character energy. As our final girl, Ava returns home for her bestie Danica's engagement party, and that's where we meet our very incestuous friend group, the working class in recovery. Outcasts, who used to be one of them back when her family still had money and now she's stuck working the party for the rich kids who left her behind wom, but fret knot, they bond again the way all messy 20 somethings do with fireworks, cannabis and accidental manslaughter. After causing a fatal accident, the crew gets off scot-free because daddy's got connections. But Babes, we know the title of this movie. One year later, the friend group is unraveled. Bisexuality and kink make an appearance as a manifestation of guilt and South Port's. Police department seems more interested in protecting zip codes than solving murders. handwritten threats make a bold comeback as our group of hot, sexy socialites spiral into a guilt feud, modern day hot girl research. Oh, and what's an investigation without revisiting the movie that started at all. That's right. Julie James is back now a coolest as fuck college professor, long divorce from her emotional support ex white bread Ray, who is also in this movie. And honestly, daddy is fuck. Oh yeah, he's not. Hi, Freddie Prince. He's not. of course our babes and their babes start dropping like flies in increasingly brutal fashion until it's finally revealed. The real killer is gentrification, corruption, and the riches refusal to take accountability. Our working class heroes, Stevie and Ray, rise up to eat the rich and make them pay. That is until the college educated elite show up to shut it all down and serve up a very clear sequel setup instead, leaving us with one question, what will they do next summer? That. Exactly. So that's that, um, in a, in a nutshell, obviously, without all the big beats. that was a great breakdown. Thank you. Obviously I leaned very much into the very obvious, class portrayal, which I clocked in the first one. I don't know if you, you did, you did the working class versus like the affluence. I definitely did not even pick that up. Uhhuh. I was just like distracted by the hot teens. Yeah. Well, they're not teens. They're in their forties. They're not teens. Yes, yes, yes. But they are hot. That's another thing. This cast is so hot. They're very attractive. There's not a single booger except for two of the working class people. The graveyard person and the person that works at the fucking car. The, the junk shop, not the junk shop. Wherever they take cars after they get totals. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The junk yard. Oh my God. I didn't even remember those characters. Uh, well, I saw this three times. Oh. To prep for this'cause I have two. Yeah, I have to know what I'm talking about. every single person in this is a babe, Interesting. Yes. So, uh, let's go ahead. We're gonna bitch the pot. I have a little bit of info here.. So originally, Mike Flanagan was work shopping, doing a reboot in 2014. Isn't Mike Flanagan again? He's like horror royalty. He's he's quite good. He did, um, oh my fucking God. The house on, not the house on Haunted Hill. The haunting of Hill House. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and the fall of the house of Usher. Yes. I've seen this. Yeah, he's done some like really good stuff. He's way more dark and like emotional. So I could imagine that if he had gone through with this Reba, it would've been, it would've been way dark. Very dark, yeah. Mm-hmm. Gruesome even. And just very like, rooted in the emotional horror of it all. Not even like the slashy element of it, but just like, like the, the trauma, the mind fuck of it all. Yeah. Yeah. Little bit. It would be a different movie for sure. Yeah, I would see it. I would absolute see it. I definitely see it. Yeah. Oh, and I guess this, um,, they pitched this movie after the TV show was canceled. I keep forgetting there was a TV show for this. I tried watching the first episode. I couldn't get through it. Oh, is it not good? I just like didn't hold my, it was too slow. Mm. I was trying, I was gonna, I was considering watching it after we recorded today. Oh, maybe I might give it a shot. Smoke a little bit, whatever. But yeah, I, I tried watching the first, but it's just, it is, well, the thing is, I feel like Slashers specifically they're really difficult to put into a TV show format. Mm-hmm. Because I think thinking back on the ones that have succeeded, like Chucky so stylized and so soap opera esque in the decisions that they make, and it's like you kind of have to do that with TV to keep people engaged. Because I don't know how, I don't know if I could sit through 22 episodes of just like. Straight slasher pacing. You know, I think as much as I love a slasher, I think also for me is that the whole idea of, I know what you did last summer, is seeing Jennifer Love Hewitt, seeing Freddie Prince Jr. Seeing Sarah Michelle Geller seeing Brandy. Mm-hmm. It seeing these familiar faces that I already love. Mm-hmm. Kind of along the lines of, do you remember when Clueless came out as a TV show? Vaguely. And that the only one was Dionne, right? The only, only One. Stacey Dash was the only one that, the only one, which was, I also loved the character of Dionne, but Alicia Silverstone wasn't there. Some of the OG cast wasn't there. It wasn't the same. And I tried like in Clueless, the TV show, but it did not work out. Yeah. So even though you could try to recapture it sometimes it's all about the star power too. That's true. Like, like it celebrates those actresses. That's true.'cause thinking about it. We love Chucky. That's why Chucky worked. We're there for Chucky. Yep. If it wasn't for Chucky, then mm-hmm. Like if they remade the dolls to look like something else. Well, they did that with the 2019 remake. That's trash. Sorry. See, sorry, not sorry. I didn't even cover it on the franchise season. That's how much I didn't like it. I didn't even bother. I, I don't even know if I acknowledged that it was there. I'm not even kidding.'cause I, I did it with Donnie. I did the whole Chucky series. I don't even know if I mentioned, I think you did. Whether or not I was gonna be covering the, the reboot because as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist anyway. Oh, okay. So TV show. I might give it a shot. I'll let you know anything. But I generally stay away from TV shows on this podcast. I wanna stick with movies.'cause it's like a TV show is an investment. It's a long time. It's a long time. So that's every episode. I know. But after that was canceled, that's when they decided to pitch it. this one, it was co-written and directed by Jennifer Caton, Robinson. she's a huge fan. And she's also Sarah Michelle Geller's best friend. Oh. Wow. Now the tea is, she was apparently trying really hard to find a way to get SMG back in this movie. Mm. She was just like, I think I wrote a quote. she said, I tried to pitch some crazy shit too. I was like, what if it's like you weren't dead and you're actually alive, but in hiding? And Sarah's like, I was on ice. I was the most dead person. I was the most dead a person could be. You can see my frozen body. I am dead. I am Sarah dead. Geller. I love Sarah Michelle Geller. Me too. She is so funny. But I get it. Like, how many times have we griped and groped about her dying in that movie? You know? I get it. Sarah Michelle Geller is just a, a, a a a joy to have on screen. And if her best friend is directing the movie, she's gonna be like, I'm gonna find a way to get you in here. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Now this next fact, probably not true, but I wrote it down because I feel like it's something that you would enjoy. I love entertaining the idea of this, whether or not it's true, it doesn't matter. I love being entertained. It's my head cannon. So, apparently the house where we see Julie James, you know, where she's living in this movie? Yeah, yeah. Apparently that was the house that they used as Buffy Summers's house. Buffy the Vampire Slayer knew that wooden frame looks, it looks kind of familiar. Familiar right I see it. I don't know if this is accurate, but it was on IM db. Oh my God. Which I always take with a grain of salt, but I'm just gonna put that out there as like, you can choose to believe this if you want to. Oh my God, I'm gagging right now. I isn't that such a fun thought? I'm, I'm, it's so like delightful. The layers. also, just, I had to say, your first outfit on the first episode. Mm-hmm. Also reminds me of Buffy when you runs down the hallway and the season two. Yep, yep, But also just letting you know that whenever I have to run anywhere in Bushwick, I think of that scene and it makes me run faster. I heard just like slowly running down the, whenever I turn a corner, that is what goes on in my eye. Yes. For those of you who are unaware, we are talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season two, episode 21. God, it's the penultimate episode. It's a two part season finale, and there's Buffy gets tricked you know, and the big bad ends up like kidnapping her friends and it's just this iconic shot of her slow motion running down the hallway, I could go on and on about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm, but I've said it before. I'll say it again. I'm in a Buffy rewatch. So anyways, anyways, uh, next piece of tea. Yeah. This is one that I kept seeing and it is driving me crazy how it's being spun. Apparently, Jennifer Love Hewitt's negotiations for like, coming back into this film. Mm-hmm. Caused a lot of drama and, and like, it, it like, tore the production schedule as sunder or whatever because she was just like, listen. If you're bringing me back, I'm not coming back for a cameo, like I'm not coming back. So people can be like, ah, there's the ghost of I know what you did last summer. There she is. She's like, if I'm that wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Yeah. She's like, if I'm coming back, I want to have like a and damn right. She should. Good for her. This whole, it's built on her. Yes. It's fucking built on her. I'm glad she said something. Me too. Good for her. But the narrative that I've been seeing online is that it was her fault. She caused all this da da, da. It's like, no, she's standing up for her character. Yeah. Because, and the work that she did a long time ago, she deserves that. She deserves everything. Without her, this wouldn't happen. Exactly. This is, see, this is what I hate about Hollywood Uhhuh, is that, you know that if a dude did that, they'll be like, oh yeah, give that. Oh, that's boss behavior. But because Jennifer, love, love Hewitt is a woman and older actress too. She all of a sudden she's a bitch because, or too demanding. Fuck you. Yeah. Causing drama, da duh da causing drama. No. It's like she deserves all of that. She wanted to have some creative input with her character as she should, because it's her, her fucking character. It's her character. Yeah. So it just, it really pissed me off to see who Jennifer Love. Who do you want me to fight? Honestly, I will fight for you. I mean, you're probably fine now, but mm-hmm. But just letting you know I would have, mm-hmm. I was in that room. Me too. So good on you. I'm very happy that we got to see as much of you in this movie as we did J. Love Hewitt. We love you. You deserve it. Another thing that like really pissed me off about the way that she was treated during this whole experience there was a video of her at the red carpet and people were body shaming her so fucking bad. Fuck you. Whatever. Similar to how the, the media spun her negotiations as being a negative on her part. I just, uh, it pisses me off that the industry is not kind to women from any angle. No. And like people tearing her apart for her body. Listen, people let people have bodies without feeling the need to comment on it, on what they should do, on what they should wear, on how they should dress. Fuck off with all that stuff.'cause I've even seen people who were just like, well, she's beautiful, but she shouldn't be wearing a dress like that. It's like, no, what is wrong with you guys? She's beautiful. Period. Like, that's not even, I was just so happy to see Jennifer Love you. It is working again, because I fucking love her. Thank you. Thank you. You will be thankful. Yeah. People have bodies with eyes. This may come as a shock to so many people out there, but human beings have real human bodies. Yep. That do real human body things. Exactly. And sometimes that involves inflation. Sometimes that involves dep puffing, sometimes that involves scars. Sometimes that involves birthmarks. That is none of your fucking business to comment on. There's a million other things that people do that should be of more concern than whether or not they gain weight or cover up a scar. Or smile. How about we talk about people raping people? Yeah. What about not gonna not put them in there about that. Yeah. Like, but like genuinely like yeah. There's, there are really shitty people out there in this world that are really hot and I'm so tired of seeing people thirst over them. Mm-hmm. As if they're, they're like fucking a gift for us. Yeah. No, they're probably horrible people. Yeah. Sorry, I just had to say that. No, I'm glad you said, I'm glad you said that. So carry on. No, I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you. Yeah. Thank you. Fuck that. Now I pulled up Letterboxed. Oh, that's like first, that's like the other user review. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. This one's a significantly more crowdsourced, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like social media kind of stuff. That one's a rating out of five. Okay. 2.5 50%. Which honestly, is that a good thing? I feel like it's horror. Horror generally ranks lower. That's one thing too, you have to keep in mind When it comes to horror movies, they are generally going to be scored lower. Why? Across the board. Ah.'cause people are more critical of horror. They think it's silly. Whatever. Anyway, these are all half a star reviews. Somebody said, just give your money to charity and let the nineties rest. Oh, that's funny. Somebody said, now why couldn't y'all leave Brandy out of this? Okay. That, that was funny. That's also funny. That was funny. The good letter box, I have two someone said. Not a single diva down, which honestly, actually I liked it. Me too. I liked it. Not a single diva down. Yeah. And then someone said, obsessed with everyone in that friend group serving face again.'cause they're all, they're beautiful. So fucking hot. Uh, speaking of which, let's just talk about the characters real quick. Yes. Yes. So I have my list of characters. We have. Okay. So Ava is presented to us like she's our final girl. Yeah. She has her shit together. Uhhuh, I noticed in the opening shot when we meet her, she has a Hoya Crimson Queen is either Crimson Queen or a Crimson princess, which to me signifies that, she's a responsible gallop with a little bit of an edge. Was this inside or outside? This is inside. Beautiful. I saw that. I was like, the establishing shot is that not only does she have a pathos, but she has a Hoya too. I'm gonna rephrase that for you though. Her parents are responsible'cause she doesn't live there. Oh my gosh. She doesn't, she's visiting. So her parents are all of those things that you said, but yeah, so she's given to us as if she's our final girl. I genuine believe Danica is really the centerpiece of this movie. Danica is definitely, if it wasn't for her, yeah, I probably wouldn't have liked it as much. The movie feels like it follows her more. We get Oh, definitely. It's kind of like how in the third one, remember how I mentioned we spent so much time with Zoe and like she had her dream sequence and all that stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She was supposed to be the final girl. It felt like she was supposed to be the final girl. Mm-hmm. Same principle here, but better movie. And it was with Danica too. I wanted to hate her character because the thing is, is that I'm very critical when it comes to, I would like to say like the dumb blonde mm-hmm. Character, just because I love that type of character so much. A lot of my favorite movies feature that kind of character, so automatically when I see one I'm like, you better be really good. You better play this really well. Mm-hmm. And she turns it well. What's great about it is they don't play her as a dumb blonde. They play her as a stupid smart girl. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, there's some moments where I'm just like, you're very self-aware. You're quite emotionally intelligent. But you also say like, what Milo? Are you an egg? Like it's some stupid ass shit like that. It's, and it's like, I know people like that. Yeah. I genuinely, I texted my bestie slash roommate, her little sister is Danica. Yes. See the, be like the, the best dumb blonde characters are like that. They're, they're too smart almost. But they say just kind of like, what? Well, it's like Helen Shivers. Helen Shiver. Shivers wasn't stupid. She wasn't vapid. Yep. Um, another, another example. Al Woods. Absolutely. Um, Kelly Bundy. I'll even say I would agree with you though. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? Like, everyone's like, oh, Kelly's an idiot, idiot. I'm like, no, no. If you really pay attention to what she's saying, she knows what she's doing. She, she knows exactly what she's doing. She knows exactly what to say, what to get what she wants. Yeah. She might not know math, but she knows how to like, she knows how to get what she wants. Yeah. With minimal effort. Mm-hmm. Agreed. So, I love Danica. We have, in my opinion, the most forgettable person of this friend group. Is it the dude? Yeah. Milo. he's like some political dude. He's Ava's ex, um, he's, white breaded. He's the Wonder Bread. Yeah. He's the Wonder Bread of the Wonder Movie. He's the Wonder Bread. And then we have Teddy, who is Danica's fiance, who is. Gorgeous. So fucking hot. That's a cutie. He's a nepo baby. He's the son of, he's, he's like the ride Philippe. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like each one of these people is generally like a stand-in, right? Mm-hmm. Ava is the Julie and then Danica is the Helen. Teddy is the berry Milo. Mel was the ray or our fifth person? Stevie is the Ray. Is the ray, yes. Okay. Yeah. So we have have, when, when there was Oh yeah. Because rather than four, we have five friends. We five. That was the twist. I was like, there are five. So we have Stevie who used to be friends with them in high school. Her dad blew all of her money and now she's like working class. She's in recovery. She had to go to rehab. Like shit got really bad for her and she's like working this party and she ends up just like reconnecting with them. I feel like Stevie is Ray Milo. And I feel like that's why he's so bland, because he's not a direct standin for, for another character. He's the will, he's kind of the will. Yeah. He's, he's without the, the stupid name reveal, you just know that he's there to get killed, along with that, we have Grant, who is Teddy's dad. He's the, the real estate mogul. Mm-hmm. He's the reason why Southport is gentrified as fuck right now. Yeah. Oh yeah. By the way, this is like the Hamptons of the South. There everybody has fucking boats and automatic doors that go to their personal private docks. Very, very fancy homes. Yes. Very different from the Southport that we saw in the first movie. Yes. Very different. It's not the, the quaint fishing village anymore. Like this is nice. Like Yes. And that's due in part to Grant who was like swooped in when he saw like the murders happen. That's why I'm like, why is someone hating on the references? It's crucial to the plot. Well, that's exactly it, because it's, it's, it's gentrification 1 0 1. Yeah. You're erasing the entire history for better or for worse, So yeah. And then we have another character. We have Tyler, who is the podcaster. Yes. Played by gat. So fun. Do you love when I like, is that, is that you thought that was fucking Julia Fox, this motherfucker, but you know, I get it though. They're, they're both kind of like, they're, they're both internet it girls. They're both, they like, you know, they, they're style icons. I only know about that crowd through, uh, the Brat album. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So like when I saw her face, I was like, oh, is that the Julia that they're always talking about? Yeah. Oh, that's so Julia among Gabriel. So, oh yeah. Okay. So my mind, I was like, oh my God, that's like Julia right now, bitch. Close enough. Yeah. But anyways, she was delightful. She was so great. Another terribly hot person in this cast. Some small throwaway characters. We have the pastor Judah Gillespie and his little blonde flocker. I didn't get her name. I don't think she, did she even have a name? I don't know. And she, all she does is clean windows and stack crates. That's it. She cleans windows and moves boxes. Yeah. We have Wyatt, who is an alcoholic, and he is danica's replacement piece after everything goes down. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then we have Ray and Julie are back. There's like the biggins. Mm-hmm. But, um, let's go ahead. Um, again, this, this isn't gonna be like a chronological move through the beats. We're just gonna talk through, a lot of this stuff and We kind of already talked on, I think the, the gentrification of it all, which I think the true monster, the true monster of this, like really well, because we, that's one of the big reasons why, um, well, I'm just gonna say it. So are we gonna do it? Yeah. spoiler warning, final, final alert. We're just gonna say who the killers are now, so we can just talk through it. All right. First killer is revealed to be Stevie. Oh. Mm-hmm. Dun dun. Which, um, I clocked about halfway through. You did? I did. You did. You did. And then there's a second killer, which is the first and, well, not really, I guess.'cause we had Ben and Will. It was a twist. It was a twist. It was a major to I gasped. Yeah. The second killer Ray, which I am so fucking happy that they did this. I'm happy they did it too. Like it takes a lot for me to get surprised. I was shook. I was shook. And I accepted it. I was salivating. I I clocked that too. I clocked that before I clocked Stevie. You did? I did. You did. I remember'cause we were discussing it and there was this one detail. Mm-hmm. That Gabriel's, what's her name? Gabriel. Yeah. Gabriel Gabriele did. Yeah. Like you. Exactly. And that's when, so Gabriele is a podcaster Live Laugh Slaughter, which is such a good fucking name. Pro I. I'm a little pissed that that's not the name of mine. Such a good fucking name. They based that character off of you. They better have, actually it was you. That's why she's so skinny. It was you. It was me. It was you. Um, no, She's so fucking funny. And she's like a podcaster, like true Crime podcast, and I think they hit the nail on the head with that archetype. But when she gets killed, she pulls the hat off of the fishermen. We don't see it, but we see her reaction and she's like, you, and I'm like, okay, who in this group of characters that we've met so far, which she recognize obviously Ray, because she's intimately familiar with the history. The history. So I'm like, okay, so it's probably Ray. Oh. Which I fucking love. I love a big swing like that. That's a good, yeah. That is a twist. That is something satisfying. Mm-hmm. It makes sense too. It's not like one of those details that're like, oh, we should just make. One of the main characters a killer. Just for the shock factor? Just for the shock. No, there was, it was shocking, but it made sense. Exactly. It's not like if you were to take scream and make Sidney Prescott a killer. Yeah. You know, after Sydney would not do that. Sidney would not do that. Ray, on the other hand, going back to our, our conversation about gentrification. Mm-hmm. Ray feels abandoned. He feels, because he and Julie are no longer together. Mm-hmm. They apparently, it seems like it was a really ugly, a messy breakup break. Yeah. Both of them are just like, don't look at me, don't talk to me. Exactly. I love how, it was like, wait, you were married to Julie James? And he was like, unfortunately. cool. Yeah. They do not like each other. I kind of like that. We don't know what happened between them two. I That is a kind of nice mystery. Yeah. I just, I think it's because he used his electronic toothbrush wrong. That's probably it. I, that would drive me insane. I want a divorce. He just, I mean, I never, I mean, we talked about this, she, every conversation they had, she would run away from him. They would end with her running away. I'm like, this is not a sustainable relationship and a relationship built on trauma. Of course it's not gonna work out. So yeah, that's the breastfe for disaster. So, he feels forgotten. He feels abandoned. And of course he was working class in the first movie. He's still working and he's still working class in this movie. Poor Ray. Granted he has his own bar, which is great, but he's watching the same people that basically alienated him his entire life, just completely surround him and erase him. The one thing that happened to him that he hasn't been able to move past, so no. And like how fucked up like he has been part of this town. For God knows how long his family, and then all of a sudden these new people come in fucking built fancy homes and what, he's still on that fucking dock. Mm-hmm. I would be pissed too. Yeah. Like, I get it. I 100% get it. I totally get it. Uh, that's, uh, some other critiques that I saw about this movie where that it didn't make sense that Ray would be the killer. It didn't make sense. Yeah. And I'm like, I, I can understand some people need things handed to them more directly. You know, like some people are just like, well, I just don't buy that. He wasn't able to get through the trauma and this that and the other and da da da. And I'm just like, honestly, I do buy it. I buy it. There could be, there's so many nuances in the human life that could have led him to this breaking point. And we don't have to see all of them. We don't. He's his, his teens and his college years, or not co not college years, but his like twenties, surrounded by killing, surrounded by death. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like, that's part of his story. So of course he's gonna be comfortable killing people mm-hmm. Because his friends were killed. He was part, he he witnessed killing. Mm-hmm. It makes sense. And then if you factor in the other layer, because we find out that Stevie, oh, I guess we should, I'm gonna rewind for a second. So the accident that happens, you had some thoughts about it when we walked out, right? Because there's, of course, with the, the first movie, there's the inciting incident, and then this movie, we have to have some sort of fresh, new situation. Yeah. Some secret. They had to have done something last summer. Yeah. it wasn't dramatic enough for me. Yeah.'cause here's what happens. It's not like the first one where they're, they're partying. They literally pick someone. No.'cause they are, they're watching the fireworks. They, you know, Stevie's back, it's the five of them smoking cannabis and watching the fireworks. And Teddy is standing in the middle of the street doing his, like, macho thing. And like, okay. So he does a little, like, who's it, what sits in the middle of the, of the road? A car like swerves off the road and falls off the cliff? Mm-hmm. Woo-hoo. That's not real. I, I don't feel like that's. It, the, the, the hands are not bloody enough. I, I hit and run and then trying to get rid of the body. Mm-hmm. When the body tried coming back to, to get you, and then you threw it away and then went down to get the tiara, that is very, that is blood on your hands. Mm-hmm. But this one seemed like a very innocent, accident. I have two thoughts on that. Okay. Because I, I don't disagree with you. I do think the stakes feel a little bit lower, but here's why. I do think that had the information gotten out that the reason that the accident happened is because he was smoking weed and fucking off in the middle of this very dangerous roadway, he would've gotten in trouble. It that is cause for, it's, it's, it is, it's involuntary manslaughter, right? Yeah. So I do get that. Now, here's why I don't think it's anything more intense than that. The reason in the first movie we are able to align ourselves with our hot, sexy teens at the end is because we find out that Ben Willis, the person that they hit with their car, had just finished killing somebody else, and now he's going after them. Mm-hmm. So we're like, okay, on the moral scale, they were, they were right. They were right. Yeah. You know, despite their intentions with this one, an innocent man dies. Yes. So they couldn't retell that same story of them accidentally killing somebody who just, they would make them happened to be a murderer. That's, that's too repetitive. So they had to find a way to have some sort of. Incriminating incidents that wasn't incriminating enough. That made us question the moral standing. Okay. Like whether or not these people deserved to die. the issue at hand is that they leave, Teddy calls his dad and like cleans up the whole thing. So that way it's as if they're never there, so that way they'll never be held accountable for it. So that's where the issue takes place. Yes. I understand the stakes are so different from unintentionally killing somebody, but from that moral standpoint, like they couldn't pull that thing of just like this group of teens accidentally killed somebody because it would make them like moralistically bad and you don't wanna be part of their story. You are rooting for'em. I get it. Yes, I get it. Now. I do think it would have been a little Like I, I feel like the stakes would've been a little bit higher. Mm-hmm. If it was just like they didn't call the police. Yeah. Like something really, really fucked up happened on that road. Yeah. Like if, if the, if let's say that car crash and everything still happened. But they just left, they didn't tell anybody. That I feel like would've taken the stakes up a little bit more. Oh, yeah. Um, oh yeah. Absolutely. But again, that puts us back in that moral gray ground, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I get it. Yeah. And also, like, even when I was watching it, there was something, this is, this isn't as high stakes, but I accepted it because I wanted to enjoy the movie. Yeah. Again, kind of going back to the idea, this is a silly movie. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Let's. We, they don't have our hot, sexy teens don't have to kill somebody every time. You know? I want sexy people killing people. Damnit Yeah. But what ends up happening, the reason why the murdering is happening is because Stevie, our working class hero, ended up having a connection with the person that died with Sam Cooper. Mm-hmm. They were either like partners or like friends. So kinda, I think like adopted family vibes. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. From like the group photo. Well, because with Stevie, after her dad blew all of her money, her friends dropped her, like her rich friends, they just kind of like did their own thing. Yeah. And she was left by herself. She went through a really dark time. She ended up meeting Sam in rehab. Mm-hmm. And we find out that the reason why he was going up there in the first place is'cause he was worried that Stevie was gonna relapse. Yes. And so. That's why she's the killer. And I totally get that. She had these people who completely abandoned her, kind of similar to, to what we talked about with Ray. Mm-hmm. And she lost the one thing that really mattered to her because of them, uh, now that I'm like thinking about it, she was in the car too when that accident happened. She was standing on the side of the road. Yeah. So how did she not realize that that was her? Because his friend's car, it wasn't her friend's car. It was the passenger's car. Oh, mm-hmm. Which she didn't even, I don't know. Probably not. Yeah. I don't pay attention to passeng vehicles. I don't pay attention to pastors, you know, and then also his face was completely covered in blood. there's a lot of things. It wasn't his car. Yeah, it was a different car. It was dark. Yeah. Okay. I guess Uhhuh. now we come to find out that Stevie. Is basically like a, A surrogate daughter to Ray. Yes. You know, he promises, he's very watchful her. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So if you pair the trauma that Stevie went through and the absolute grief that she's enduring with this paternal figure who is also dealing with so much shit. Mm-hmm. Like I think it makes sense. It makes sense for them to be connected. For sure. Is it the most logical reason for two characters to be killers? No, probably not. But it makes sense. What in slashers is logical slash I'm not in the slashers for the logic. As long as there's like something that makes sense, I'm fine. Suspend disbelief. Yeah, exactly. It's fun people. It's fun slashing and killing people. Fun. Ooh. Keep this if you want. I love the, creativity in weaponry. Oh, you know what? You're right. This fisherman does feel a little bit more brutal Yeah. Than fisherman's past. Because fisherman's past what a, what a great title. Fisherman's Past. Mm Ooh. Catch of yesterday. Get the fuck out. I hate you right now so much. Oh. Um, this fishermen in previous renditions of the fishermen always the hook. This time we get other fishermen tools. A harpoon. Fuck yeah. That harpoon was used so many times. It immediately feels more modern. Apart from the backdrop. Like the weaponry. It just feels so updated and exciting because it was the first weapon we were introduced to. Mm-hmm. Even because I, it played with the audience too.'cause of course we're gonna expect a hook, but the first kill was a harpoon. Mm-hmm. And we all knew who it was. From that harpoon. Yep. Oh my God. It's the fisherman. That has to be the fisherman. Yes. Um, rope was used. Rope was used. It's, it's knives were used. Actually, I feel like the hook was only used once to kill somebody. Well, to kill somebody once. To kill someone. It was shown many times. It was shown many times. Gabriele was, was hooked. But she was also hanged. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was outside. The only person that was like definitively killed, killed, killed with the hook was, Teddy's dad. Ah, yes. Yes. Because everybody else. So we had the harpoon gun, we had the rope, we had like the hook and the hanging. So yeah, I'll give that. Oh, um, how they displayed Teddy and his dad. That was so hot. Oh my God. It was kind of hot. I as full erection there as, uh, as catch catch of the days. It was so good. Everybody I love. And how they're opposed. It was so beautiful. It was so queer. the idea of when we were talking about how the fishermen was so extra mm-hmm. About doing things. We get that again here. Mm-hmm. Why you gotta display them like that in poses, Ray, are you secretly homosexual? Right? Hmm. Well, and also like thinking about, oh my god, race bar is a gay bar. Oh, that'd be fun. Gays bar. You know, they called him Gay Ray back in the day. Oh. Maybe that's why him and Julie got divorced. Maybe what if he had an affair with Stevie's dad? Oh my God. And Stevie's dad blew all the money and ran off out of guilt. I see it right now. Wild Ray Ray, the gay, good old gay ray. Was it baby blue? Billy Blue? Billy Blue. Billy Blue? Who? Billy? Billy. Blue is, is homosexual raised gay? I do wanna say something real quick. I'm gonna throw it back to the fisherman being extra. Oh yeah. So one thing, I didn't notice this until the third time that I viewed it'cause you know, Gabriel Tyler, they go to this Bayside house and like we know that it's shivers. Yeah.'cause we're just like,'cause she's referencing the iconic chase scene with the Hell shiver shirt. This where happened. When she gets hanged I noticed the Bayside sign had been dislodged and behind it was the old shiver sign. Oh, it was a fun little treat to see that. I just got a shiver. Yeah, it was really cute. Oh my God. I need to re-watch it. So that's extra too. She's a queen of the past. Talking about the, the fan service of it all. Yeah. And like more Easter eggs. I love that they had a scene take place in what, once was the shivers department store? Yeah. Mm-hmm. But what I will say when Gabriele brings Ava to, it's like the Bay House or something like that. Yeah. I thought it was the gym at first where Uh, no, but we do get the gym. Oh, we do get the gym. Yeah. Yes, we do get the gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The steam room. So, and you know what, that just takes me to, I do think that a huge theme of this movie, and this is not a groundbreaking observation, there's a heavy commentary on gentrification in this. A hundred percent heavy. A hundred percent. We get all of these iconic set pieces from the previous movie. Gentrified. Gentrified. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We get the, the shitty department store is now like a fancy restaurant or so something like a fancy restaurant or something. The shitty gym that we commented on, that's just like lockers next to a punching box. Oh, next to the shower? Yeah. Everything's super close. Has like a steam room and it's like super fancy. Yeah. Raised bars, like the only dilapidated thing that we see. Everything else is just so, so Yachty elegant, white and fucking Exactly. Fucking windows and I feel like they, they almost had to do something like that with this movie. They have to, I mean,'cause it's 27 years later. So much has changed, but that's, that's what happens. Yeah. Like that is the, that is true horror. That is realistic horror. Mm-hmm. Seeing your old neighborhood turns to something that is not where. Represents who you are. Mm-hmm. And then people trying to like, make a profit off of it. Mm-hmm. Fuck you. And then tell you that your history has no value. Fuck. I'm gonna put a hook in you. Yeah. Like, yeah, I get it. Um, because I, I, that reminds me when I went back to my hometown mm-hmm. Fremont, California. Mm-hmm. And where there was an abandoned parking lot with like this freaking bank that no one went to is now a Whole Foods. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, I can't believe this parking lot that everyone used to get high in is now a Whole Foods. And I'm like, I'm gonna go in there. Why not? Mm-hmm. You know? And I was like, wow, this is what that bank actually looked like.'cause no one went to that bank. Yeah. But you could see like the remnants of the bank just now, there's like a whole like organic freezer section. Mm-hmm. I'm like, this is so funny. Yeah. I've been, I've been in New York for like, just under 10 years and like even in that 10 years, just seeing how much things have changed so much. Yeah. Yeah. Like walking through, neighborhoods that I used to live in and just being like. What even is this now? Yeah. And it's, you know, I can acknowledge that, you know, and it's an uncomfortable place to sit. Like I'm part of the problem. I'm a transplant. I moved out here. Yeah. I live in Bushwick, which is definitely a very gentrified neighborhood. Yeah. You know, I think, well I was actually talking about this with one of my neighbors who actually has lived here for 30 years, has daughters here. Mm-hmm. She's a grandma herself. And we actually talked about gentrification of her neighborhood and stuff. Mm-hmm. And she said that from her perspective, there are the good ones and the bad ones. Mm-hmm. The good ones are those who want to make friends with her. Mm-hmm. That want to be part of her community. That's exactly it. Also working class too. Mm-hmm. She's like, Richard, you are just like me. You are just like my daughters. You are trying to make a living here. You're trying to make your dreams come true. You, you know, you're not coming in with your parents' money trying to improve things. You are just trying to be part of our story. You are a good one. And I think that's the difference. Exactly. That's the difference being part of the community. But she was like, but your fucking, your fucking neighbors though. Those are the ones who came in with their daddy's money. Not working. She's like, I've never seen that person work. Mm-hmm. And yet complaining about everything around here. Noise complaints up the wazoo. Yes. See, that's the thing. I read an article, I can't remember which bar it was. There was a bar in a queer bar in Brooklyn or Queens I think, where, somebody had moved in and kept complaining about this bar that had been there for years. Being too new for, yeah. See, no. And it's like, here's the thing. If you, if say it, if you don't want to be a part of the community, don't fucking move there. Don't move there. Do not move there. Don't come into these communities that have been so curated and cultivated for communities that. Nine times out of 10 are at a disadvantage. Exactly. Like in every sense of the word. Exactly. And then kick them out and like complain about the fact that there's a fucking a meat store right there. And there's a bar right there that's making noise. Yeah. Yeah. And they're throwing a block party. If you don't like that shit, don't fucking move there. Get outta here. Get the fuck out. We never wanted you anyways. Yeah. And that's kind of like, that's what we see here is like they are because you are ignoring the actual culture and history of that neighborhood. Exactly. And you're trying to make it into something that it's not. You chose to come here, Uhhuh. These people were born here uhhuh. So fuck off. If you're gonna be a rude neighbor, you should be nice. Yeah. So I think, you know, I be nice to your neighbors. Be nice to your neighbors. Be nice to your neighbors. Say hello to them. Mm-hmm. I'm not telling you to be besties with them. No. Just don't be a dick. Don't be a dick. And don't move in. Don't move into a, a building and complain that there's not a Starbucks right there. Oh, but yeah, I'm really glad that gentrification was a part of the conversation in this movie. I'm glad. Yeah. Could they have gone deeper? Of course you can. Always deeper. No. Yeah. They could've definitely gone deeper, but to, to take something that was kind of subtle in like, making it this huge backdrop that this movie takes place in. Mm-hmm. I was really happy with, I was very happy with it too. That, that that's the main bad. Yeah. The symbolic bad. Yeah. Yeah. And the fact that even though this is a, a, a fun summer horror movie, the fact that we are able to, to analyze it in this way shows that it's a good movie. Yeah. That's why those who rated it negatively. I don't think you, I don't think you actually thought about this. I think you read deep into the wrong parts instead of reading deep into like the bigger picture, in my opinion. Yeah. Well, and I don't even know if like, there's intention without taking itself too seriously. Mm-hmm. And I think that's, I love to live there, kind of like. Yeah, exactly. Kind of like drag. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like are you gonna come after someone's corset or like, oh, you know, that was, or are you actually looking at the whole performance, what the idea is? Mm-hmm. Exactly. And did you like it overall? Yeah. Listen, did they, there will, did they, did they perform well? If they did, you probably liked it. And here's the thing, there will always be notes for improvement in every art form. And that should not take away from whether or not it's worthy of being enjoyed. Yeah. At all. I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Me too. I thoroughly enjoyed it. What's another moment that stands out to you? I already know you're gonna bring it on. Go for it. Sarah Michelle Geller. Yeah, baby, baby comes back. Oh, yes. Okay. Not only does she come back, but. S Glittered beautifully glittered through the whole movie. Helen Shivers references. Oh yeah. I need that shirt. That, that Gabriel, I need that shirt. I tried, I tried searching for the shirt. Mm-hmm. I couldn't find it, but I'm just giving it a few. It's gotta for someone to make it. Yeah. So there's a shirt that Gabriel's character wears. It's the, that it's the only photo that, it's the first photo that pops up when you type in Helen Shivers. That's really, it's her headshot. It's, it's her tiara headshot But it says Helen Shivers Roker Queen. It's a fucking wonderful shirt. It's, I need that shirt. And we see like that same headshot at the photo at her grave. It's, it's everywhere. It's the same fucking picture. See, that is camp and it's beautiful. Thank you. Yes, yes. I love that. Use the same shot. And because the director is besties with Sarah Michelle Geller. You know Sarah Michelle Geller's like, oh my God, that is hilarious. Tickled. Yes. Because you know what?'cause SMG is well humored. I'm more sure. She's like, oh, keep it. Yeah. Keep doing that. Yeah. We, all of these references of so many re many, they always talk about Helen Shivers. Mm-hmm. Always like, we even see Helen Shivers, uh, gravestone. Yeah. And I'm proud to say she, oh God, she's, her birthday is September. Was it September 4th? So that makes her a Virgo like me. Congratulations. We served our country. Yeah. Virgos. Virgos. Finally have a win. Virgos. If you're out there, we have won. Yeah. You have a dead bitch on your team. We, Helen Shivers is one of us. She is. Yes. I remember you being very excited about that. I, that, that was one of the moments, uh, in the, in the theater. I grabbed you. I was like, yeah. Well, and there's also, there's lots of, like we talked about, there's lots of like Easter eggs and references for you to enjoy. There's the fucking parade float. Oh my God.'cause there's a chasing that happens in a parade float. Mm-hmm. Um, or in like Danica escapes to that I do have to talk about the, the campiness and the, the, I, I thought the, the last time I watched, I was just like, wait, why is this here? Because this scene, this chase starts in a cemetery and then Danica ends up in some ambiguous warehouse where there just happens to be a Kroger queen parade, float next to the cemetery. Like, I'm like, okay, sure. Oh God. Those are like one of those things that you just because it's so amazing, you're just like, you know what? Fuck. I'll accept it. It's really funny. It's really good. Um, but I also love those, she takes off her shoes. Mm-hmm. Similar fashion as Helen Shivers does. Mm-hmm. When she makes her chase, she Danica did not need to take off your shoes to do that running scene. Yeah. Well, she takes'em off before she goes inside. Maybe she's just like being polite, which honestly Danica would do. Yeah. Actually I don't, I was like, oh, I can't get the floors dirty. I'm gonna die, but I can. but yeah, so, uh, SMG Helen Shiva's references up the ass, which everywhere. Yeah. And that's how, you know, it's like those things that are just like, those are the, the, the meta self-aware references that I need. That's how you know that people that loved this movie made this movie satisfied me so much and it comes to this beautiful, glorious. Moments. So it's, I I think Danica has like a dream or a flashback. It's a dream. It's a dream. Because she's locked into the police station. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a dream. And she, she looks around and she's at the, the Miss Croker like pageant or something, and she sees a backside of someone, a blonde backside with her dead fiance lying on the stage. Who cares about that asshole. We were looking at the Kroger Queen, and it's like, oh my God. You just, you could feel, you know, you're like, wait, is it is because the thing is that from, because it's so hard not to, to be, Shown things about this movie through social media and stuff, you know, on your feed. Mm-hmm. And I remember multiple times, Sarah Michelle Geller saying, I'm dead. Why would I even be there? Mm-hmm. Like, she kept saying that. So I had no hopes of having Sarah Michelle Geller in this same, I'm like, she even said just in photos. Yeah. And I, I trust Sarah Michelle Geller. If she says she's dead, she's dead. Yeah. But she is dead. She is. What? That does not mean that she cannot be part of a dream sequence. Mm-hmm. The Roker queen turns around and who is it? But the adult version of Helen Shivers, I think they tried to digitally, like de-age her to like get as close to so beautiful. Mm-hmm. She was gorgeous. And a dress in white, beautiful bouncy blonde hair. Mm-hmm. The tiara. I, I loved it. It's so, it was such a treat, especially'cause. There was lots of teasing up to this moment that we didn't know were leading to this moment.'cause Danica had mentioned like, oh, I've been having like these really crazy dreams, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And then she keeps drawing parallels between her and Helen. She's like, oh, she was a, a coo queen. I was like, yeah. So to have those culminate in this dream sequence where Danica is very clearly still digesting her guilt around everything. Mm-hmm. And it's being given to her via Helen Shivers.'cause it's like Helen Shivers is a bitch in this scene, which as she should be. Oh, as she should be. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, careful honey, who's got the hook? Like, she's very catty. Yeah. Yeah. And like ripping into Danica. Oh, she even has a hook Uhhuh. She has the hook in the dream. Yeah. You've seen it multiple times. You, you have it fresh. Uh. Because when, honestly, when I saw SMGs face, I blacked out. Yeah. I, I couldn't, I couldn't listen. I was just like, oh my God, queen is here. Yeah. The goddess is here. As soon as we saw her back, like we knew and we were like beating the shit out of each other and just like in awe. Yeah. It was so fun. Oh. It, that was such a wonderful way, I think, to highlight something that so many people loved about this first movie. About the first movie. Yeah. And like. Paying honor and tribute to it without ruining the plot. Yeah. You know, because if they brought her back from the, uh, meaning like she's still alive or like hidden in secrecy, I would've been pissed. I would've been like, okay, you guys, that's, that's serving a fan. That's that, that's that fan service. That's, that's fan service. Yeah. But how they did it here, it was fan servicey, but it made, it made sense sense. Of course, she made a dream sequence. Of course, Danica had created this connection with her. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And she was on her float. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I think that was a really, for me, that's a huge highlight of this movie. Yeah. Is the, the Helen Shivers dream scene. And I love how like, as she's like telling off Danica blood starts coming from her crown, she's decomposing. Decomposing and of how she's like, I didn't want to die. Oh yeah. But we needed to be punished, you know? Oh, so good. Oh, speaking of which, being punished, that reminds me one thing that I do have,'cause. Of course on this channel we talk about the queer elements of these movies. Yes, we do have, first off, everybody says that they're I what I love, and this is so real too. We would never would get this in the nineties, but this is so real to um, at least you know, my friend group and how the people that I'm around talk, everybody says that everybody is hot. All of the women in this, whenever they see another woman, they're just like, damn, she's hot when, oh, they did say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.'cause they said it about Helen Shivers. Mm-hmm. They said it about the podcast girl. Like there's a lot of like this fluid recognition that people can be recognized as, can be recognized as attractive and openly too. Even between the guys, there's a little bit more openness there. So I do think. There's you, you see that all those guys look like they would septic, honestly, you, they probably have, they probably have. But you in this film see kind of that generational breakdown mm-hmm. In in, in strict or rigid sexuality and what you can say and what you cannot say. Which honestly I didn't mind. I love that it's a, is a Gen Z thing, but I'm like, who cares? This is great. I don't even know if I would say that's exclusively a Gen Z thing. Yeah.'cause as a millennial, all of my millennial friends are very like. Very much that way. Hmm. And have been for quite some time. But I think it's something that in the nineties we never would've seen. No. You know? But I think now, like we're getting more comfortable with these ideas of fluid sexuality. Yeah. Yeah. And acknowledgement of attraction not being, uh, an admission of queerness necessarily. And, or like you want to do it, or maybe you do wanna do it with them, but just like recognizing someone else is attractive. Just more transparency around sexuality, I think. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. But what I can say is our leading lady, Ava Oh yeah. Is a bisexual queen. Yep. Mm-hmm. Um, she doesn't specifically say it, but you know. Oh. But we see it. She is Milo's ex and she, you know, tries to hook up with Milo during this movie. And she also hooks up with Gabriele. Yes. Mm-hmm. So we're like, yes, bisexual queen. Now here's my only issue with that'cause I love seeing it. I feel like I know what you're gonna say, but say it. And it's the same thing with her.'Cause she seems to be ex explicitly more kinky after the event. The Yeah.'cause Milo was like, oh man, this is like too much for me. Yeah. So here's, here are my thoughts. Okay. I, I have a lot to say about this. Let us hear it. I'm not the biggest fan of the implication that her bisexuality is as a result of trauma. Yep. Mm-hmm. That's what I don't like that because the thing is that you are introduced to her liking ladies after that accident. Yes. Right after. I wish that that had been established before. Yep. That's my thought. Now that's not to say that people do not, find their trauma manifesting in ways that are like hypersexual and whatnot, but, if that's a commentary they're trying to make, they need to go deeper with that because I'm gonna be one. A hundred percent real with you and with everybody here. As somebody who has gone through an insanely traumatic experience and found myself reacting in ways that were hypersexual, there is so much more nuance to that behavior that needs to be shown. You know what I'm saying? Just tacking on like a, alright, Ava's bisexual now. She likes getting choked during sex because she feels like she needs to be punished and this is how, this is how we're showing that she is out of control after the events. Yeah. I don't necessarily love that. I don't like that either. And it shows that like, oh, like how the reason why you're queer is because you went through something bad. Mm-hmm. It's like, no. Yeah. You were that way before even. Mm-hmm. Well, and also, here's the thing, even if that was the case. Tell that story. Don't just use it as a plot device or like to add a little flavor onto it to show like, oh, she's bisexual too. Next. Yeah. So those are my thoughts on it. It's, is it the worst thing? No, it's not the worst thing, but it cheap. It cheapens it, I think so it cheapens it. You know, thinking about the conversation around bisexuality, there's already, for some reason, so much debate around bisexual identity from people who are not bisexual. Get the fuck over yourself. It's not for you to decide whether or not someone's sexual attraction is legitimate or not. Yeah. Believe them. But just like with this conversation around the, apparent validity of bisexuality and so many people trying to take away that validity, I just don't think that this needs to be, displayed that way. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. Make her bisexual before the accident, Susan. Mm-hmm. so those are my thoughts on that, but I'm, I'm, I was happy to see it there. I love how casually, it wasn't like this big coming out moment. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't a big plot moment of her being bisexual. It was just, the placement is what's annoying. I felt it too, like when that scene happened, I looked over to you and I remember your face being, Hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sun eyebrow raise and I went, oh, I feel like even she has something to say. Yeah. I feel like there just had to be just one small thing, whether it be like a reference to her hooking up with ex-girlfriend or something. Yes, yes. You know what I mean? It could, because we like the introduction of Ava, we go through her childhood bedroom. Yeah. It could have been a picture of like her, like, you know, making out with a girl or she something. It just, something could so easy. But also I do suspect something with Danica and Ava. Yes. It feels very much that way because after. Her fiance gets murdered. The cuddle because here's the thing. Yeah. Teddy and Danica, they break off. Danica has a new Sidepiece fiance. Mm-hmm. He gets killed after all of that. They cuddle and they make up in a very nice way. Yes. But there's definitely a Jennifer's body esque kind of relationship. Not as toxic. Nowhere near as toxic as Jennifer's body, but it's very much like this childhood friend. But there is something more beneath the surface between them. Like they be made out a little bit. They experimented with each other for sure. Well, they even say at the end of the movie, Danica says, I think you might be my soulmate. Oh yeah, she does say that. Yeah. So I do, I do suspect the two of them will probably have a queer storyline.'cause there's definitely going to be a sequel. You guys, there's definitely gonna be a sequel in this movie. I'm curious how, how that sequel's gonna go. I mean, you have your, your thoughts of what the Well, yeah, the follow up will be. Well, I think. And I'm really excited about this idea. So I don't know if this is just me putting in my, creative wish it was pants. Mm-hmm. Or if this is really where it's gonna go. But they definitely set us up for a sequel in a couple of ways. We find out. Okay, so Ray gets killed after Reveal. He's the killer. Yes. Yes. He gets killed. Stevie on the other hand, does not he? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, because they didn't find the body Well. Yeah. But Ava was just like, ally said, she's still alive. Yeah. Ava's just like, but you killed her. And he's like, did I? Mm. So, and then God, I smell pad Tai again. You need to start burping in that direction. So, yeah, so it's, it's heavily alluded that Stevie is still alive. Mm-hmm. Along with that, we get a mid credit sequence, which is another, another gag, another gem. Oh my god. Another like literally slapping each other in the theater. Yes. Who else do we see Brandy Andy to be as a successful woman? A successful woman, and a hot husband? Hot husband, big house. I love that she's watching the news and she sees Julie and she's like, damn, someone's already trying to kill that woman. I hope she has a good therapist. Yeah. And it's like such a Carla esque line. That's the thing. It was also genuine to her character too. Of course she'd be here. Of course she would do that. Of course she would say that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So we get that, and Julie visits her and Julie got a picture of her and Carla with Carla Xed out, and it written on the back. It says it's not over. I cannot think of a. An ending of a film that leads more to a sequel than this. Between all of that. Because also the Danica and Ava are just like, I guess we have to kill her. And they're like, I guess so. So here's what I think is gonna happen. I think the next movie's gonna be a girl power fucking movie. Mm. I think it's going to be Ava Danica, Carla, and Julie on the offensive. Mm. Yeah, it sounds like a fun movie, but I don't feel like it's, I know you did last summer anymore. It's its own thing. I mean, it's still in the world of I know what you did last summer. It's in the world. Movies can change form and like, look at Chucky. That's true. Like Chucky did it. And I fucking loved it After child's play three, they did a hard pivot into a different kind of story structures, centering Chucky Yeah. And making Chucky and Tiffany and then going back like that can work and can be cohesive in a franchise. It can work. Yes. I mean, like, I'm not, I'm not hating on it. Yeah. But I definitely, it's we're, we're leaving, we're leaving what's left in the nineties and we're doing a new thing. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. Well, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that, I think. Think, but it's going to be, it's, it has to be something different. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. It has to be. I think so, and I think that's smart and I'm kind of excited to see what they decide to do. What do you think the, the working title would be? Bitches. Bitches. Like the, the working title, like the one that like to throw other people off. Yeah. I don't know. Petunias in the Valley, they always pick working titles. Patas working titles have nothing to do with the movie. That's the whole point of a working title. It's not gonna be like, forget what you did last summer, forget. Because that's gonna be obvious. I love your title. Yeah. But I don't know, I, I'm very excited to see what comes next. We'll see what happens. This film. Do you think, do you think, uh, Jennifer Love Hewitt would be down with it? Or do you think she'd be like, of course. If, if she gets to continue the story? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think Brandy would be down with it. Obviously the, the, the two actresses. The two youngins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say it's another paycheck, especially because I feel like horror has a lot more, it's a lot more appreciated these days. Yes. You know, and I feel like there's a lot more, I mean, there's accolade to it. I mean, there's a whole like, uh, streaming service for just horror movies. Yeah. And unsubscribed shutter, baby shutter. So yeah. Horror movies are, are cool. I mean, they've always been cool. Well, it's, it's no longer the trap that it once was. Yeah. It's not the trap, you know, and I think nostalgia in itself is a powerful tool. Mm-hmm. When used correctly, it can be effective when used correctly. Yes. So I think that pairing those things together with what I'm hoping is a success of this movie. Mm-hmm. I, I, I can guarantee all parties involved would, yeah. Would be down. Yeah. I also want to say that this is a great feminist movie. Yeah. I love that. The ladies are the ones in power. Because the thing is, is that. If you look at horror, horror movies past, there's always dead females everywhere. Even though the, the lead protagonist is like the last final girl. But you also see a lot of women being killed. Well, a lot of punishment for like for promiscuity. Yeah. For, uh, stupidity. Virgin. Yeah. But this is the first time where we see the women come out. At the end, we got a glimpse of it, of Brandy surviving it. We did, yeah. But now it's in full force, and I appreciate that. Yeah, I really do. And I could tell that the, whoever made these decisions knew that like one of the. It's kind of what we said. Sarah Michelle Geller was the final girl we deserved in the first movie. Mm-hmm. No Shade to Jennifer Love Hewitt. But we wanted both of them to survive. Yeah.'cause the things we, we loved both these characters. We wanted to make them out in the end. Mm-hmm. That's why the original audience, we were so sad when Helen Shivers dies. But I feel that through Danica and Ava's relationship and their survival, their friendship, them being soulmates. Mm-hmm Thinking at the end that's satisfied. Agreed. It was very feel good. It was feel good. Very warm and fuzzy. Yeah. The divas are up. Yep. The love the divas are up. Yeah. Absolutely loved it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, I wonder if the negative review is all dudes. Maybe because it kind of ha happened with, uh, the movie The Substance because everyone that, everyone that I talked to, the people who were queer or women, they were like, oh, I love this movie. This is great. But it was always the straight dudes that had a problem with the movie.'cause they could not handle it. Mm-hmm. They could not handle that. This is a woman's movie. Yeah. That it's power. Similar thing with Jennifer's body, it was a critical flop because it was marketed towards the coveted 18-year-old male. Mm-hmm. When in actuality it should have gone towards like women in queer people. Yeah, exactly. So it's like a similar thing. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm curious Yeah. If, if, if, if those who did not like the movie. I'm just curious. Yeah. Are you a dude? There could be a little bit of a a through line between that. I think it's gonna be a combination of things. You're probably gonna have the, the dub bros like that. You're also probably gonna have purists, people who are Oh, the purists holding on too tight to the original. Original. Yeah. And who don't like Gen Z slang and who feel like Gen Z or you getting pandered to, or whatever. But I'm curious. Go ahead and comment it. I want to, I read Oh yeah. Let Richard know. Let me know. Yeah. Let me know. I, you know, I love discussing things. Mm-hmm. Yes. That's all I do. Oh. I mean, just look at plants all day. So gimme something Fair. Alright, so before we wrap up,'cause this is our final episode together. Oh. So I just have some questions for you reflecting on all four of the movies now. I'm just curious to know, I already know the answer to this favorite character. Helen Shivers. Of course. We love Helen Shivers. Who's your second favorite character? Danica. Mine would be Carla and then Danica. Carla's. Good. I do love Carla. I'm Carla's good because I, Brandy is gorgeous. I fucking love brandy. I love brandy and just so fun in that movie. Do you have a favorite kill? I know this is gonna be a hard one. That's gonna be hard. Yeah. Feel free to. So like, uh, are you gonna ask Chase scene or No? That can, if you can let that be a factor. Okay. Well, like, I will say Helen's chase scene is phenomenal. There's no beating, no, there's no beating it. But is it my favorite kill? No. Okay. But because it, it's the, the actual killing itself is not, does that mm-hmm. The first, in my head, my favorite kill, honestly. Mm-hmm. Rays getting harpoon through the chest. Yep. Nice. Because right before that. Julie says, what are you waiting for? Or what are you waiting for? Also satisfying bit of an eye roll, but a satisfying eye roll. It satisfied me. Yeah. So in terms of just like satisfying kill, the first thing that pops into my head is raise, kill. Mm-hmm. Because how it was dramatically lined up. That's fair. Yep. I will say for me, yeah, for this movie, it's like hit or miss. Some of the kills are good. Some of'em, I feel like there's something with how they were edited that didn't quite click with me. So I don't think anything from this movie is making that list. Mm-hmm. It's your favorite. Who's your favorite character? Oh, Helen Shivers. Oh, okay. Yeah. Helen Shivers. And then Carla. Carla. And then Dega Dega. Yes. I think my favorite kill is probably. The first kill of these whole shenanigans. Max from the first movie, the crab shack. Yeah. When he hooks him underneath his jaw and drags him out from underneath. That is a good one. That is a satisfying kill. It's a very good one to kick off everything. How poetic that our favorite kills is the first kill and the last kill. Oh, look at that. Did not plan that everybody. No, we did not. We did not plan. We did not. Alright. Final question for you is ranking the whole series. So all four movies we already know that I'll always know is number one. Yeah. It's the best out of all of them. It's the best. Um, so we'll just say like, out of the three, rank'em. Okay. Oh, this is hard. Mm-hmm. Oh, because there's like loyalties, that's the thing. Mm-hmm. Well, what's the, what? I, I, now I'm thinking like, what's the metrics What, yeah, what are your metrics? What are my metrics? Metrics for a good, how this would go. I think for me, metrics is how, how often I want to rewatch this. That's a good, yeah, that's a good thing to judge by, because I've, no, I've noticed that my favorite movies are ones that I could rewatch over and over and over again, or movies that I want to watch over and over again. Mm-hmm. I would say with that metric, the first one will always be my number one. Mm-hmm. Second will be, oh, this is so hard. Yes, it is. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's the truth. Mm-hmm. My second pick is, I still know what you did last summer. Mm-hmm. And the third is this new one. And that's not to say that this is bad, that they're not saying it's bad. It's a relative. Yeah. They're all amazing. I love all three of these movies, but if I were to painfully rank and I'm just, literally, my metric is how much I want to watch it. Yeah. Rewatch it, put in my background, that's how I would do it. I love that as a metric, but mine is always like how much fun I have while watching it. Mm-hmm. Like it is this movie fun. And doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be campy self-aware or anything, but it's just like, do I enjoy the experience of watching it? You know? So what's your, what's your, so this new one is number three. Okay. You know, and again, this doesn't mean it's bad, it's just. You know, this is where it falls in the ranking. Yeah. In this metric. Exactly. And also, I think it's worth noting, my opinion changes with the wind. So if you ask me in two weeks, it might be different, but is this a Gemini thing? It is, but right now with where I'm sitting, and this might be controversial, the first one is gonna be number two. Oh. And the only reason is because I completely check out after Helen Shivers dies. Very valid. And it's, it's very valid. It's, it's quite convoluted in a way that's not as fun. Mm-hmm. As I still know what you did last summer, which is why that's, I still know is my number one simply because that movie is just a stupid, fun time. I ha It's so dumb. We get brandy. We have The Bahamas for some reason. Jack Black as a fucking Jack. Jack Black. Yeah. Jack Black as a prop. Production value is definitely a little higher too. I, I knew you were gonna say, I still know it was gonna be your number one. Yeah. I had a feeling. It's just, you know, and that's i's just so fun. The first one I love up and down. I love to death. Yeah. It's iconic. But that third act for me is such a boner killer. Mm. Whereas with, I still know, obviously I fucking hate Will Benson, but just like that movie as a whole, it just, it's, it reads as so much more fun. Yeah. For me. So, yeah. That's, that's my ranking. Y'all get at me in the comments if you want to, yeah. Tell me how much you disagree with me. There's one thing that I wish as an, if you really wanted to. Fan. Was it fan? Fan service? Fan service? Me with a third one. I was hoping for this. If I didn't get it. What? I wanted a Jennifer Love Hewitt song. Oh, that would've been great. But her, her music career is so gone. Okay. So yeah. Okay. So after, after all the stuff that we talked about, I actually listened to Bear Naked Uhhuh. I liked it as a banger. Okay. I actually liked it. Okay. Good to know. It was actually one of my gym jams and if you look at my heavy rotation, Uhhuh Bear Naked is on there. Alright. Nice. Now. Oh shit. I didn't, I forgot to keep count. Well, I guess we're gonna have to find out how many burps there are. I feel like this, this episode was a grand crescendo. It really was. Future cry baby is probably gonna have to edit in the, total burp count right now. Highest skanks crybaby of the future here As always, cleaning up the mess of past crybaby and doing the homework that they refuse to do I have painstakingly counted every single burp this season, and the total number of times that Richard has burped into my microphone is 25 gross. Now, back to you past Crybaby and Richard. Oh my God, that's so many. Thanks. Future cry, baby. Gosh, I can't believe we had this many burps. Are you gonna do like a montage from all the, oh god. We'll see. We'll see if I have the energy for that. But with that said, Richard, one final, first off, do you have anything to plug? Anything that you're looking forward to? Anything coming up that you want people to know about? I am still helping people with their plants doctoring all around Manhattan and Brooklyn. And where can they find you? They can find me on Instagram at Lord Fierce on TikTok at Plant Daddy md. Or you can visit my website, plant daddy md.com. If you guys need any help with your plants, whether it be maintenance doctoring, plant sitting, or you need an installation or don't know where to start, hit me up. Thank you so much, Richard. Thank you. Cry, baby. It's been such a treat having you on this show. You're definitely gonna be back for something. I hope so. Or a couple of things, I'm sure. And I'm sure everybody out there enjoyed Richard as much as I did too. Aw. So with all that said, cuties, thank you so much for joining us for I Know What you did last summer in that franchise. Um, probably gonna take a small hiatus Before I jump into the next franchise, I have some thoughts, I have some ideas. Are you gonna do a preview of what the next franchise is gonna be? Not right now I have an idea of what I wanna do, and I have an idea of who I'm gonna ask to do it with me. I just need. I'm gonna take a few, maybe like a week or two to like step back and just like reflect on what worked, what didn't work and like,'cause I'm still figuring shit out with this. Yeah. That's what we're here for. Absolutely. Yeah. But, um, I think it's gonna be something a little bit different than, than what we've done so far. So, yeah, we'll see. But until next time, don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Bye.