17. Meet Your Cohost: Bowie Caius

✨👻 Heya cuties, and WELCOME BACK to a brand-new season of Franchise Friday! This time around, we’re joined by our special co-host, the iconic BOWIE CAIUS! In this kickoff episode, we dive into Bowie’s journey with horror, their queer identity, and why they’re all about trans narratives in body horror. Plus, don’t miss the rapid-fire round spilling their horror tastes and guilty pleasures. And of course—drumroll please—we reveal this season’s iconic franchise! 

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I've, I heard a quote the other day that was like, if they're gonna find you disgusting, be disgusting. And I said, I love that. Yeah. You know what? Lean in. Mm-hmm. Lean in. If you're gonna be staring at me thinking I'm weird, bitch, I am weird. You know what I mean? What is your book of Well, hanging out with your Smartest and Funniest Friend. You know me, I'll kill anybody, but. Hi, cuties and welcome back to Horror Icon, your queer playground for all things scary, sexy, and stupid. Yes, I wasn't ready for that. Stupid I could do. Yes, stupid I do. You can do all of it. All of it. Do my best. Anyway, I'm your host crybaby, the spooky slut from your wettest nightmare, and today we're joined by yet another special guest. The one, the only you know them. Maybe And you love them? Definitely. Bowie. CAAs, everybody. Hi. Hi. I am so happy to be here. So happy to have you like, like unironically. Yeah, I know. Like, not like happy to be here as if I'm on podcast every five minutes. I, it's just like your agent booked you for just another chicken chick gig and you're like, oh yeah, yeah, fine. Oh, that would be the day. That'll I know what's an agent. Oh, good. thank you for being here. I for you. Anytime. Stop. Stop. So everybody you should know by now, we're in a new season of Franchise Friday. Yes. A little bit longer. I don't, just a little. Yeah, a little bit. Yo. Oh, let me get into the camera here. Let'em see it. Do it for the days. Do it for the day. My science shirt. I know science. Normally I charge extra for that science. In this economy, So we are going to spend this episode getting to know a little bit more about Bowie, and we're also gonna introduce the franchise that we're covering today. And what's that gonna be? We'll tell you later. Not yet. Y'all are gonna have to stick around yet. You're gonna have to learn about Bowie first. Everybody learn about my friend and then we'll talk about movies. Loki, I was intimidated by the number of Get to know You questions. Really? Yes. I threw a lot out there. I, anytime someone's like, and a short little bio, I'm like, Ugh. I was born yesterday. In fact, bios are hard though. I just started copying and pasting. Mm. I'm like, this is it. That's what you get. Well, I also hate the, like, what is it, third person, whatever the. Oh, Bowie is a creative, a multihyphenate. Yes. Cry baby is a multidi, a multidisciplinary artist. Multidimensional being. Mm-hmm. We contain multitudes here as human people sometimes they just burst out. Yes. Different orifices. I bet you can tell what my favorite kind of horror is just by that comment alone. Oh gosh. Yeah. Yada, yada yada. Yes. Um, so yes, everybody, this is Bowie Bowie's a good friend. We met. We met a while back. I'm so sweaty. I'm so sorry. It's okay. I'm sweaty too. Okay. We just hugged everybody. If you're only listening to the audio, you're messing out. It gets physical here. Yeah. So we met, we worked for the same company. Sure did. And toiled maybe would be the better toiled. Uh, high, low, high off to work. We go sat in darkness and isolation. Yes. Only for 15 minutes of conversation before getting shipped to our posts, so to speak. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, you were the first person that I was like, actually, like in that whole space. I was like, that one's my friend. I, that one I did the same thing. I was like, I have to brainwash them. Perfect. It's like I have to, I have to bring them in. Yes. And we did make, we did take advantage of those 15 minute. Jitter chatters. Oh, 100%. Be like, did you see that movie? I gotta go by Exactly. It was basically like rapid fire horror movie reviews, everybody. Mm-hmm. It was so much fun. But, uh, alas, we no longer work there, but now we're movie going buddies. We sure are. Yes. And that's arguably a better place to hang out. I concur. I would say it's still in the dark. Yeah, but it's not alone. Yeah. Oh no. Us operating on the same brain. what was it about Eddington. Oh, get out for conservatives. Get out for conservatives. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. If you haven't seen the movie, that sounds awful, but it does. But it's if you, if you know, you know, if you know, you know. Yeah. Shout out to our bestie Ari Aser, friend of the pod. Friend of the pod Ari. One day. One day. If Ari, and next week we are interviewing Ari Astor. Could you imagine I would ship break in full drag. Who, which character would you go as Full Dragon Ari Astor character? Ari Astor character. Yeah. If she showed up here. Like right now, honestly, the first thing that pops in my head, I don't know how I would pull this off. I would just be Charlie's head from hereditary. Like a black covered in ants body morph suit. Yes, yes, yes. Just covered in ants. Him walking in, going swollen. I regret making this film. I'm so sorry. I love that. Please do that. That would be cony though. Please do that. That would be so cony. Ugh. But yeah, I really enjoy seeing movies with you. Oh yeah. We always have a good time during the movie and we have a wonderful conversations after the movie. Mm-hmm. So obviously you were gonna come onto the pod. Yeah. It's also helpful that we both, uh, don't have a lot of triggers around horror, which, you know, totally valid to have. Yeah. Everyone's got their own thing and that's the point of horror is. There's something for everybody. Mm-hmm. And there's gonna be something that traumatizes you. So thankfully, I don't have a lot of people in my life who, especially body horror like that is not a thing. Like I was so sad when the substance first came out.'cause we were still at work. We were And you were busy left, right, and center. I had four jobs. Everybody. Yes. I had four jobs. Um, and one of those jobs was not seeing the substance with me. And I struggled. I almost had to go do it by myself. That would've been so sad. Oh. But um, yeah, we have the same sort of like vibes. I'm like, you wanna go see X, Y, Z? And you're like, yeah, let's, let's, let's go. I feel like we're the kind of people that just, unless it looks. Normal. We're gonna belly flop into that shit. Not, not normal. Yeah, yeah. Not normal. If it's like the kind of cinema that people, that the average person's like, that was a good movie. Yeah. I'm not there. Yeah, yeah. But if it's like some fucked up shit, we're just cannonball right on in there. It, it either has to be high camp or I will never recover from this emotionally. Yes. Those are the two options. Yes. And then there's F1, and then there's F1, and then there's F1. We should see it just for, I can, I'm sorry, on the, on the, I can't even do it for the day. On the April Fools episode of the pod cover F1. Yeah. And here we have Brad Pitt, so anyway, same sensibilities. Mm-hmm. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Uh, I invited Bowie to come onto the podcast to co-host this season with us, so as always, we're gonna get to know them a little bit better. Oh, gosh. Yeah, baby. Now you said wait,'cause you said you left some notes at home. I sure did. Were, were they the notes that to the No. To the movie? No. Yes, the movie. But you have the answers to the questions with you. My notes about me, which honestly probably would've been the harder ones. I'm not kidding. Wait, really? I, yes. I sat down on the subway and was like, I have to fucking write these notes out because it's, you ever have that thing where someone's like, what's your favorite movie? And you go, uh oh. Yeah. Yeah. It's that. I literally went through my letterbox list. Mm-hmm. I was just say, there's a reason I gotta go through letterbox. Like, people are like, are you on letterbox? I wanna see your reviews. I'm like, girl, I'm on there for the wishlist and for the, the watch list, do you have your top four? Yeah, you wanna see it? Oh, here comes the phone everybody. You know, this is probably gonna change.'cause none of my top four are horror movies. Shockingly. But also, I put that years ago. Mm-hmm. My top four are, I mean, gay as hell though. Still I have, uh, the Darjeeling Limited. Mm-hmm. Big Lebowski. The Bird Cage and Mrs. Doubtfire, because those were the movies that I like grew up with. That like shaped you. Yes. Okay. And that really should sum up everything about me, I feel. I think it actually kind of does. You know what I mean? Yes. It's like sad. Family dynamics. Uh, burnout, oid, gay as fuck. Mm-hmm. Uh, gender Confused. It's all there. It's all there. It's all there, folks. And you wrap it up in a Bowie, the, the vi, the vial that came into my mouth. Ha. I love a pun. My top four is all horror. I just started using Letterboxed again. What is it? My top four? Yes. So you've got it off the dome? Yes, I do. They're all horror movies, of course. Cabin in the Woods. Are they horror movies? Yes. Okay. Yes. Cabin in the Woods Masterpiece, yes. Will be covering on the pot at some point. Yes. Um, nightmare in Elm Street. Mm-hmm. The og. Mm-hmm. That is also gonna be on the pod for a franchise season. I would hope so. Uh, sinister, which scared the shit out of me. Girl. That is a top horror film for me. It's elite. It's so fricking good. Top tier Baul, be you on the Baul train. I'm on the Baul train. Here's the thing, I don't know if you saw my, um, I did a ranking horror fashion video while back. I don't think I finished it. Baul was on there. Oh. And it was, so the evolution of this video, everybody Icon was me basically like going from judging their fashion to whether or not I would fuck them. And did we, were we surprised that this was the turn that it took? No. Mm. And Baul, I was just like, man, Baul sexy. I was like, the hair, the suit. I'm like, I would absolutely, a sandwich between, um, Baggu and. Our leading man, uh, my Brayden just blanked out. What is wrong with me? I wanted to say Kevin Bacon. He's been in horror movies, but it's not Kevin Bacon, it's the dad of Oh, he's a Hawk. Yes. I was gonna say the dad of fucking the Girl from Stranger Things. The one that fucks everything, huh? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. One of the worst fathers in horror history, but yeah. A sandwich between the two of them. Sure. Boul and Ethan Hawk. I would want to face Boul though. Mm, yeah, that's, I mean, yeah. I mean, that's what you're in it for. Exactly. He, he's just kind of there to, to like run. It's just like social lubricant. Run back up. Social. Yeah. I can't go in alone. New podcast. Title Maul is a social lubricant. That is a great podcast Title. Maul, Mahoul. Oh, black phone too. Um. Oh, black phone too. You want me to do with your new you? I, you've seen the first one? Yeah. No, we've had this conversation. We have, we have. But, but now I feel kind of like, I'm kind of spoiled by the trailer for the second one.'cause they refer to things. Oh yeah. In the first one. Oh yeah. Like the watch grab and stuff. I'm still watch. It's the black phone is good. It to me felt very ya. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Oh, kids need horror too. Exactly. Yeah. I mean it's definitely, uh, I would say it's like teen tweens. Teens, yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. High schoolers. Yes. Teenyboppers. But that's not a bad thing. It was still very fun. Very enjoyable. Yeah. When I heard that there was gonna be a sequel to the black phone, I wasn't really interested. I was like, ah, I don't need it. But after seeing that trailer, oh, I'm fucking souls. The trailer rips. I am, fuck it. Rips like trailer rips, crazy rips. Um, it's like season one Stranger Things. That's what's giving. I'm like, I'm in. You know what I mean? I've never seen Stranger Things. It not a single episode. I'm hiding behind my mouth. That's crazy. It's just, okay, here's the thing. I just, the fact that you've managed to avoid it mm-hmm. It's so in the zeitgeist. Mm-hmm. That, that's impressive. Five seasons. Yeah. We have five seasons now. Yeah. So many people are trying to get me to watch it. Don't, here's the thing. TV is difficult, everybody. It's easy for me to sit down with a horror movie'cause that's an hour and a half to a tight 90, you know, I love a tight 90. Mm-hmm. And then it's like done. Full narrative. Complete Yes. Shows, TV shows now thanks to Buffy, which we love Buffy, they now have like multi-season arcs and it's such an investment and it's so difficult for me. Espec. Well, now I'm unemployed, so I guess I could get away with it, but I'm always busy. Yeah. Anyway, my fourth movie is The Ugly Stepdaughter. Oh, yeah. Or the ugly Stepsister. So True. I so true. Just updated that. Whew. Listen everybody. That one scene in that. Mm. Which one actually, you know. Well, that's true. I know which one you're talking about. Because, yeah, because most of it like, didn't I, I was tracking things that like, oh, this would really bother somebody. This would really bother. Yeah. It wasn't until that one scene I said, oh, they got me. They got me. They got me. What got me was. The Oh, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the Cronin Bergen situation that was happening. So good. Yeah. So I'm trying not to give away anything, everybody. Yeah. Don't watch that. You need to watch The Ugly Stepsister, my creator, foreign director. Just get in there. It's Norwegian. Um, uh, Amelia Burke Feld, I think is the director's name. Okay. There we go. She's wonderful. Yep. The lead actress. Insane Serving. I love how this just became a podcast about, is that all? Anything but the movie that we're talking, it's working. I'm trying to distract from talking about myself and it's working. Nope, it's gonna happen. It's working. But yes, everybody watch The Ugly Stepsister. Please do. It's literally one of my favorite movies of all time. It's good. It's embarrassing how obsessed I am with it. Look up the score. The score is wonderful. Fantastic. Ugh, I watched it. Hm. Again, twice. Three times the first week I, okay. So I watched it uhhuh and within the first week of having watched it for the first time, I think I watched it like five times. Okay. Miss Neurodivergence, listen. Yes. We love to hear it. It helps soothes, uh, soothe the nervous system. You don't have to tell me. I know. Love it. And I'm sure many of you there are with it. Yes, I have most of my comfort watches. I made a TikTok about it recently. Mm-hmm. Because I sat down and thought about it and I said, Hmm.'cause someone asked me for my comfort watches. Mm-hmm. And I said, yeah, sure. And the list was fucking unhinged. And I was like, what does this say about me? It was like the Chernobyl HBO miniseries. Uh, the Terror Horror miniseries. Uh, Hannibal. The Terror. The Terror. The Terror. Oh my God. I mean Jared Harris. Oh, fair. So, yeah. So anyway, anyway, time to talk about you. No. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Everybody. This is Bowie. You're gonna be nice to them. Hi. Oh yeah. Everybody shut up. Well, Bowie shows you. Yeah. Every class, class. 1, 2, 3. All eyes on me. Alright, Bowie. Hi. We're gonna let all the cutie patties out there and Babeland get to know a little bit about you. Okay. So what is it that you, what do you do? What, what, what is this? What cutie you do? What's this Thanksgiving like? I don't understand. Like, what do you, what do you even do? Bowie. I do a lot of things and none of them pay. So you're an artist. I'm an artist. I'm a multihyphenate. No, seriously. I'm no good at anything that makes money. You lie like, oh, that makes money. Okay. Like, like literally nothing. Like they're all skills. And I know everybody listened to this and your ass as well, skills that you have that people go, you can make money doing that. And I go, yes, theoretically. Yeah. In this economy, people like doctors aren't even getting jobs. Like what do you, what do you mean? Tell me about it. People are like, you know, I paint, I draw, I write occasionally. Mm-hmm. I you act. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that is the main thing I do. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, not that I'm booking anything, but, um, yeah. After this maybe, um, talent scouts listening. Oh my God. But yeah. Um, so yeah, it's a little bit of everything. I saw that when I, when I, I also can't watch a lot of TV because I need to be doing something. Mm-hmm. Uh, feeling productive. Otherwise, um, there's nothing to fill that deep hole inside of me. And not that one. Yes. Or the other one. Or the other one. That one. Either a third, well, fourth, a third, one fourth, I guess secret hole. 1, 2, 3. Well, is one of them secret? Well, I guess so. Hmm. Well we're all friends here. Yeah, exactly. We're all friends. We're all friends here. We're all family. I feel like we've gotten to know each other. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. So I, what don't I do anything productive? You do anything, anything productive in the face of capitalism? What don't I do? Contribute to the institution of capitalism effectively. Yeah. But honestly though, I think money aside. Yeah. I do think as an artist and a creative person, it is great that you are a multihyphenate multifaceted. You have to be. You have to be. Yes. Absolutely. Uh, it literally reminds me of the girls who go on drag, drag race and are like, oh, I don't, I don't do any. I'm just cute. Yeah. I'm like, girl. In this economy, I try so hard not to be a bitch about uhhuh. Get it out. It's just boring. No, I know. Like, listen, I know. It is hot. People are fun to look at. They are. I get it. And fashion is an industry, as Katya said, TikTok was made for hot people to feel funny. And I like that. That's Yes. It's not true. Yes. But I'm tired of platforming these people. I'm sorry. I know. Especially after watching King of Drag. Yeah. And seeing people who are like in it and like, yeah. Yeah. I just, I'm over the fashion queen who borrows and buys all of their looks and walks down the runway and. Can maybe do a dip, you know? Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, that's me being bitchy though. No, again, I fully subscribe to what, uh, Trixie said that one time that I told you the other day that, um, being hot is sweet, but being ugly is umami. That's right. Umami baby.'cause you gotta like work mm-hmm. For everything. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Whether it is your space in the world, a job, anything. You gotta work. It's like, it's that thing. It's like you're so funny. Yeah. I was a fat, uh, weird looking child. Of course. I was funny. What? How else, what else was I gonna do? I was gonna say serve looks. I was gonna say at the playground, like that was not happening. Well it's funny'cause um, you can always tell when like somebody who's like conventionally hot mm-hmm. Grew up fat Oh. Or grew because they actually have a personality. Yes. They're actually funny. Yes. Um. Yes, yes, yes. I remember telling Evan, and he knows this so I can say it out loud, Evan from work who is a dancer and a model and one of the most, uh, conventionally attractive people I've ever seen, I remember thinking to myself the first time, why are you so nice? And then also, why are you so funny? Why are you, why do you have such a great personality? Just because like, and that's no shade to Evan. It's just like, you don't have to, well, you're not used to hot people. No. Having personalities or being nice or like giving you any sort of attention. That too, unless they're giving you like a up and down on the subway. Yeah. They're just like, you're in my way. Yeah. Yeah. Or can I have a skinny latte? Skinny vanilla, vanilla latte, please, with some kind of milk you've never heard of. Yes. Goats milk. I've heard of coconut milk. Well, no, no. I mean, like to put in a latte. Oh yeah. Can I get like spider's milk in that please. It's rich with protein. I have nipples. Greg can milk me. Actually, I don't have nipples anymore, so you can't milk me. Oh, isn't that funny? That is funny. Is that funny? Big trans is funny. Um, yeah, it's really weird.'cause so often I wanna be like, yeah, I don't have nipples anymore. Do you wanna see? I did that at work once to somebody. They consented. Of course they were, they were curious. Just like running. No, they, they asked me, they were curious and I said, yeah, you wanna see? And they were like, uh, sure. Great. I think it's funny. I think it's great. Yeah. Deviation baby. Mm-hmm. Um, speaking of nipples, What queer stereotype do you embody? Hmm mm-hmm. There's a few, but I'd say the dominant one is, I have a mullet. Yeah, baby. I miss my mullet. Yeah, it's, it's grown out though. It's long now though. You know, how else will I signify to other people that I'm gay as shit? My other answer is that I am a trans mass person and I dress like a teenage boy. I've always talked, I've talked to people about this, that trans men, people are fucking dressed. Uh, they will turn it, they'll, they'll full fantasy. There was this girl that I did a show with and I always felt like dirt on the bottom of her shoe. She didn't treat me like that or anything. She was lovely. I love her. Um, but she would be like, yeah, I'm just in my depression hoodie and like my short, and she was absolutely hotter than me on my best girl day. Like, I absolutely not. Meanwhile, I show up everywhere with like a backwards baseball hat and like jorts and my, are you coming from Sheila? Because I didn't wear mine today. I almost wore jorts today, actually. Oh. I just, they're really short. They're coochie cutters. So it wouldn't have been appropriate. how do queerness and horror intersect for you? Girl, So I think like the first thing I saw that I was like, oh, this is gay as hell, is, when I watched the Hannibal series mm-hmm. Which was airing on TV and I was still in like high school or something, should not have been watching it. It gave literally every episode gave me panic attacks and people were like, why are you watching it? I was like, have you seen the show? Mm-hmm. Um, and which is obviously based on the Hannibal Lecter books and the films, what have you. That shit is gay as hell and it's gay on purpose. You know Brian Fuller? Mm-hmm. Shout out to him, said, yeah, I wrote this show. Gay was always meant to be gay. And also I think Don Mancini was a showrunner for that too. Mm-hmm. Who's also gay. We all know how I feel about Don Mancini. Mm. The Noises. I love that man. Um, and you know, if you, if you Hannibal, the series really leans into the cannibalism as a metaphor for. Love, forbidden love intimacy. Uh, and then you just have these, you know, two men, like stabbing things into one another. It's just very, it's giving Shakespeare swords as penises. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And that was the first time I was like, damn, this is kind of gay. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, and then I started watching other movies and seeing how obsessed, um, people are with putting queer people in horror. And what I love is that for so many years it's been queer people are scary. Like it's always like, and we can talk about that too with, with this franchise that we're gonna talk about. Yeah. Even though I think it's complicated, but, um, and queer people have really reclaimed it. Yeah. They've been like, yes, good for her. Like, yes, Norman Bates good for her. Good for her. Yeah. Like Buffalo Bill. Good for her Pearl. You know what I mean? Pearl Get it girl. Get it girl. Yeah. Like, like we've just, you know, we've come round to say. You know what they, I, if you're gonna, I've, I heard a quote the other day that was like, if they're gonna find you disgusting, be disgusting. And I said, I love that. Yeah. You know what? Lean in. Mm-hmm. Lean in. If you're gonna be staring at me thinking I'm weird, bitch, I am weird. You know what I mean? Absolutely. So, yeah. So that's when I realized this first realizing like, Ooh, horror, horror doesn't really like queer people. And then I was like, you know what? We are gonna, we're gonna make it. And I'm like queer people. Yes. And now we have a lot of new horror media where there's queer people in it. Mm-hmm. But it's more complex, I think. Yeah. The storyline isn't just about them being queer. Yes. The, the twist isn't them being queer. And also let queer people be evil. I don't, I don't know. Please. You know what I mean? But don't let it be just because they're queer. No. You know what I'm saying? Give them an insane backstory. If I am evil, it's because somebody fucked up my coffee order. Exactly. You know what, what I'm saying? Like, it could be anything could set me off at this point. Exactly. It could be anything. It, it could be like one more person staring at me on the subway and that could be it. Mm-hmm. It's they, them slashing. Slashing everybody on the D Yes. On the D train. D is for death. This is the future liberals want. Yeah. They them slashers They, them slashers. Did you ever watch they slash them? I did not. I did. I was like, I don't know, but it's got our bestie in it. Kevin Bacon, right? That's that. I think that's who I was thinking of. Not Kevin Bacon, isn't it? It's not, uh, Ethan Hawk. It's not Ethan, it's the other one. Kevin Bacon. I, I was scared and not in the way, I think in I was supposed to be scared way. Yeah. I was like, I don't know. It just wasn't what I wanted it to be. Yeah. You know? Uh, was it, I think everybody did good work. Yes. Um, to me it was so cringe. Ooh. There was one scene in particular, and if you've seen this movie, everybody, you know what I'm talking about. Mm-hmm. I'm just gonna say you, I, you can spoil it for me if you want to. They play perfect by pink in their cabin one day. Okay. And they just, they're jumping around and dancing and singing along and, mm-hmm. Born this way baby. Basically. It's born this way for Exactly, we're all born naked in the rest of his drag. I was so physically uncomfortable watching that scene'cause it just like, it wasn't cute to me. It wasn't wholesome. It was just very cringe. Cringe, you know? And people, we got a, I think that's the problem is we gotta bring camp back. People think cringe is camp. No, it's not the same thing. No, no, no, no, no. Because when you're cringe, I feel like there's too much self-awareness. Whereas camp, you just do it because despite everything, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You're not doing it because it's like, I think this is gonna be good. You know what you're doing Uhhuh, there's, there's an orchestration to camp. Mm-hmm. Cringe. The people think that it's gonna be good. Exactly. At camp they're like, this is gonna be trash gonna, and it's gonna be great's gonna, it's like I'm going intentionally into bad taste. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And I feel like that's exactly what was missing. Everyone now thinks they're the new John Waters and I'm like, honey. Please. There is no new John Waters. There might never be there might never be. And honestly that's fine. I there. Just let there not be Find your own. You don't have to be John Waters. You can be John Fires. I fucking John Fire Walk with me. The Twin Beaks film, John Earth, wind and Fire. You know? Oh yeah. I hate you. Thank you. Thank you. so was Hannibal the first horror that you had ever watched, or did you, no. That was when you first realized that it was very queer. Yeah, I, I watched a lot of things. I was not, this is actually really funny. I was saying this last night, to my partner that I was a very scared child. Okay. Without getting too vulnerable, I, you know, I, I went through some fucked up shit as a kid. Okay. And as a result, I was really scared of like, everything, you know, I have anxiety now, but as a kid with anxiety, you're, you know, anxiety's hard with an adult when you're a kid with anxiety. My God, you have no idea what you're doing. You don't know. Literally, yeah. It's five nights at Freddy's, just constantly, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And so I was really scared. I didn't like horror. I didn't, I was the kid. Fun fact. Um, I was the kid at the Halloween party in elementary school who they turned on one of those like. Campy horror sounds mm-hmm. Soundtracks for the party. And I started Oh, with like the rattling chains and the Oh, yes. And I started screaming, crying, and they had to turn. I was terrified. And then, you know, I saw little snatches of things. I walked in on my dad and girlfriend watching his girlfriend watching Halloween. Okay. And I was there for a second and it was like right at the beginning, so it was like, Michael with the knife. And I was like, oh, that I, that's a thing I know now. And then I saw, oh, I saw the trailer for, I've never seen this movie. And I think it would be funny if I never did. I saw the trailer for that movie White Noise. You know about her? Oh yeah. The one with, uh, is, is it one of the Sutherlands or, I think so. Or, yeah, I think so. It's the ghost one. Yeah. It's all about EVP. But if, if y'all don't know about this, go look up that trailer. Right now, apparently the movie is goofy as hell, but the trailer scared the ever living piss outta me. It was in that peak of like. This was based on a true story, and this is the voice of blah, blah, blah. Just past like the Blair Witch Project and Yes. Yeah. Getting into the paranormal. True. The piss out of me. Okay. So it was like a slow introduction. And then my aunt and uncle who were really like subversive and so Cty, they got me into like disturbed, like the band. Okay. Um, and then they took me to a Boston trip and we saw Friday the 13th in 3D. And it was insane to go from nothing to Friday the 13th, three to Friday the 13th. I was like, girl, I am Jason. You know? Yeah. And then suddenly I think everything slowly changed from there. And then Hannibal was like. The thing. And then also the Evil Dead remake. Yeah.'cause I hadn't seen Evil Dick Dead. Oh my God. Evil. Dead Evil. Dick Evil. Dead Evil Dick at that point. But Michael actually,'cause we went to see it together in college and Michael was like, oh, don't worry. The original evil Dead's like really campy. I'm sure it'll be fine. Oh, the new Evil Dead is campy in its own way. Yeah, it's like modern camp. I was gonna say it's campy for like the two thousands. Yes. And I do love it. However, at the time I was not prepared. Mm-hmm. They brought out that Turkey carver. I was not ready. I was not ready. So I was still, it took me a long time. Took me a long time to not be terrified of things, but I'm here now and God knows. I'm glad you are. I barely watch anything that isn't. Someone's like, it's the most fucked up movie I've ever seen. I'm like, mm. Just on my watch, Lizzie. Exactly. Or I go to, I go to you and I go, Hey, have you, have you heard about this little movie? Yeah. I have a note in my phone that's dedicated to recommendations from Bowie. Yeah. And I'll throw some there way too. Like I think I, I threw the coffee table your way, right? Yes. The coffee table. Oh, interesting. Choice of words that you threw. The coffee table my way. Uhhuh Kayano. Insane. That movie's like a telltale heart for straight people. I don't know if the first Tell Harvest Breeders game for breeders. For breeders, yeah. It's a telltale heart from breeders. You're still right on that though. Yeah, it is the telltale heart for breeders. It's just like. Nonstop, like dread. It's wild. Mm-hmm. Definitely recommend if you wanna see something fucked up, everybody Please do. Please do. Now let's talk about tropes. Yeah. So many. Mm-hmm. What's a trope that you just live for? Body horror? You just, yeah. I mean, it's the thing that I watch the most of. I've been on a, Cronenberg spree. Mm-hmm.'cause there were a lot of cronenberg's I hadn't seen. I ju again, a thing that I used to be really freaked out by and then grew into, which is funny'cause as we were saying, a lot of people in my life, that's their big horror. No-no. Mm-hmm. Which sucks if you really like it.'cause then every time it comes out you're like, I'm gonna go through my whole Rolodex to find who's gonna go with me. You know? Mm-hmm. Um, but it's, so, it's just, if I feel like if you're queer or trans, or. Maybe of any marginalized sort of background, it would speak to you? Yes. Because the whole point of it is, no matter what's happening in the film, you are losing control. Mm-hmm. You are subject to a force that you have no control over and you have no control over how other people see you. Mm-hmm. And there was something about that that I don't know, which was the first one I watched that I was like, oh yes. Mm-hmm. Actually, it might have been the thing John Cook was the thing. Oh, yeah. Because you're, you're like, what the f And you know, also, if you love a weird fucked up, monster situation, it's right there for you. Absolutely. Yeah. See, I'm, I'm glad you brought that up.'cause I've noticed, just from the people that I've talked to Yeah. That a lot of queer and specifically trans people find themselves drawn to body horror. Mm-hmm. Because of that, it's almost like a. Catharsis or like Oh, for, it's just really ni this is gonna sound so weird. I don't mean this in a bad way. It's so nice to see some sort of representation of what you're experiencing internally. Yes. On a screen. Yes. You know. Exactly. Because Lord knows we don't have actual representation mm-hmm. Still to this day. Yeah. So you take what you can get. And I, I said this to my partner the other day. I was like, does Cronenberg know he's writing trans narratives? I don't know if he knows, but they're so prevalent. It's so prevalent. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well I think that's one of the great things about art anyway, is like, I think we've had this conversation. Once you release it to the world, it's no longer yours. A hundred percent. And whether you intended something to be taken a certain way mm-hmm. Is irrelevant. Yep. You know, so if he wasn't intentionally writing. Trans narratives in allegories and stuff, but that's the mirror that he placed into the world, and Thank you. You love me. Yeah. Thank you so much for that. Yeah. Is there a trope that you hate? I guess, I mean, it feels cliche even to say sa, but it's like, I don't think assault. Doesn't have a place in film or like mm-hmm. You know, a lot of people hate revenge stuff. I kind of love it. But that comes from a place of like, as an abused person Yeah. Seeing someone just get their shit rocked. Yeah. Is like revenge, good. Correl, Corley, Farges first stuff. Exactly. Before she did the substance. Yeah, exactly. Revenge is a great revenge essay, revenge, uh, movie if you want to watch it. God, I would hope so. Yeah. Being named revenge. Yeah. Um, but yeah, but like also, you know, it has been used many a time to, to be an easy way of scaring people. Mm-hmm. And. You know, it's like, it is a horrifying thing for people, but also they treat it like, it's like the boogeyman. Yeah. As if like, you know, somebody who's been through it, you know what I mean? Yeah. Probably multiple somebody, so. Mm-hmm. And then they, you know, they treat it. And when it's the whole, I don't know. It's very weird. I, I think I'm one of those people that I think you can do anything. Yeah. But, um, without saying too much, I think weapons was a good, like Yes. Sort of not, it's not about, there's no essay in the film or anything like that. No. But as far as talking about narratives around abuse or what have you, it's very well done. How that may play or manifest itself in like, social dynamics Exactly. And stuff like that. I agree. Without being like, why sit here and watch this assault scene for three minutes? You know what I mean? Yeah. They're always so long. They're so long. They're, I agree with you there like. That is probably one of my least, least, least favorite things to see in a horror movie. Yeah. And a movie in general actually. Yeah. As somebody who is also somebody who has, uh, gone through things like that. Mm-hmm. Um, it's just, I appreciate it if it's being used to tell a story. Mm-hmm. And like, like how we talked about with the weapons, where there's like, it, it talks about more than just the act itself as a shock factor. Yeah. It's like these are the social, this is how it can manifest itself. So socially, this is how it can affect somebody, blah, blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. If you're telling that story, it's fine. Mm-hmm. But if it's just being thrown in to like spice something up mm-hmm. Not my gig and not to reveal the whole movie.'cause if you haven't seen it, you and you can handle it. Um, look up the trigger warnings, probably. but the first. Chunk of martyrs. Mm-hmm. I thought was such a gray as someone like who wishes they could, they could do that, could pop off. Mm-hmm. Like you watch the beginning of martyrs and it's so, it's such a specific, like intense opening but you start from an outside perspective and you're like, what the fuck? Mm-hmm. And then you start to, to see why, and you're like, oh, good for her. You know what I mean? You know, see, I haven't seen martyrs yet. It's, I mean it's definitely on my list. It's hard. I won't say it's an easy watch, you know? I was gonna say people who think hereditary is like the top, which it is, it's very disturbing emotionally. Mm-hmm. Martyrs is disturbing emotionally, but also visually. Mm-hmm. It's not easy. That's what I've heard. So I'm waiting until I'm in a good head space for that one. French extremism cinema girl. Who would've thought the French would get extreme? Gaspar Noah has entered the chat would you say that there's a trope that you align yourself with? Like if you, if there's like a character type in a horror movie mm-hmm. You know, like, that's me. did not personality wise. Mm-hmm. But did you see, did you see, talk to me? Of course I did. The fucking, the, the hand, the butch as Yeah. The hand, no, I don't know their gender or anything, but the butch ass character. Yeah. He was posting party. The one that was so fucking cool. Yes. So fucking cool. Yes, yes. I was like, but also not just like cool, just very like normal human person. Yeah. Um, kind of, kind of, kind of bitchy a little bit. Yeah. Further the plot. But, um, yeah, because of the way that I handle trauma, uhhuh, everything is now, well, this might as well happen. So I would be the person who's like, this might as well happen. And I feel as though that would help me mm-hmm. In a horror movie setting. Because a lot of what destroys people is their fear. Yeah. Which is a real thing. If you're somebody who's so just like desensitized to it, I feel like you're like, well, all right, well what are our options here? Well, exactly. And I think there's also something about accepting a, a situation. Mm-hmm. Because if you are unable to accept that this is reality, yeah. You're fucked. You can't act, you can't act from a place like that. No. I had a very, that's kind of how I approach a lot of, like those situations where I'm like, I'm booked for something that I don't want to do. Yeah. And I'm just like, this is the situation you're in, so you're either gonna do it or you're not. Mm-hmm. So, and we'll process it later. Exactly. I worked on a horror movie earlier this year. Mm-hmm. It was kind of body horror ask. Ooh. And I had to, on a micro budget, everybody, oh, oh, a micro budget, figure out how to turn$10 in a prayer, a full human into a wooden doll, and have different phases of the transformation we're doing. We're doing long legs. I honestly, I made that shit happen for like, less than like$300. Good for you. That better be on your resume front Center it. I will. It it looked fun. Like they were happy with it. Yeah. And honestly it didn't look bad. There were some issues that I had with it, but I'm like, you know what? For, they'll fix it in post for, they'll fix it in post. They'll fix it in post. They'll fix it in both. I do kind of wanna see how the, the film turned out. It was a very homo, erotic, uh, queer film. Shout out to Sidekick Productions. Hello Joshua. We're gonna get you on the podcast soon. mm-hmm. Do you have a horror movie that's a guilty pleasure that other people hate, that you just find delicious? Yeah. I mean, I'll say upfront, I have bad tastes and I, and I love that. I, I on purpose, you know what I mean? Like, I will watch just by the thing, fuck, good taste. I just watched, I just watched The Toxic Avenger the other day. Are you, how are you feeling about the remake? I, I, okay. Well that's why we watched it. It's because I've been slowly, uh, brainwashing my partner to wa to uh, to watching horror movies. And they were the one who was like, well, new Toxic Avengers coming out, we should watch the old one. And I was like, have you even watched the old one? And they were like, no, but we should. Boy, oh boy, girl. I was locked in for that shit. The Toxic Avenger. Every my stand shop was trying to kill you. That's my fault for moving around. No, it's okay. Everybody. I have a Bedazzled Stanley Cup. The Stanley. Yeah. I used it for a couple of gigs. Let's not put it up there anymore, just in case. It almost took Bowie hours just in case it finishes the job. They were like final destination, toxic Avenger, final destinations running out of ideas. Honestly, could you imagine if you were in a final destination movie and you were taken out by a Stanley Cup? I'd have been pissed. It's like, no. Suck me up into the MRI machine by my dick. Be, um, yes, but um, yes. Toxic Avenger, everybody, it's a trauma. It's very problematic, but like, it's, so here's what I'll say, trashy. It's, I wrote on the, on my, my letterbox review, there's camp and then there's whatever the fuck this is. Yes, this is like. Every performance is like so purposefully. O tt Crazy. Yes. Just insane. That part in if you know, you know that part in the car Yeah. When she's just listing off the, the, the list of like slurs. Yep. And like, oh. So that's how I know these people are gonna get absolutely slaughtered. Yeah. And I'm gonna love it. She was basically just posting on truth, social everybody. True. Yeah. Yeah. True. Um, yeah. No, I. One of my favorite things is when somebody's like writhing on the ground in pain. Mm-hmm. And he's like, this guy's blame me. Can't even take a fucking joke. It's literally, if y'all have a stomach for like terrible taste, watch it. Yeah. It is peak terrible taste. I wouldn't jump right into it. I would do baby some like John Waters before you do a trauma film. But um, yeah, trauma is rough, but so fun. Yeah. But my guilty pleasure. It's not even really, I try not to have guilty pleasures generally. Um,'cause the idea I think is. Dumb. That's fair. That pleasure should be a good thing no matter what. Fine. Anyway. Um, but my guilty pleasure in that every time I bring it up, people are like, oh, it's fucking 13 ghosts. Do you know about her? I get that. Wait, we're talking about the, the remake? The original. Oh, the original. The original. I don't know if I've seen the original, the one with Tony Shalu in it. I thought that was a remake. Maybe that is the remake. I don't know. Whichever, I might be mixing it up with House on Haunted Hill, but I know 13 Ghosts. Yeah. 13 Ghosts with sh Elizabeth. 13 Ghosts. I eat up because it is cabin in the woods in a, in a mixed with Beal juice. Mm-hmm. In my opinion. And there's something about like these archetypes. It's almost like a tarot deck in your basement. Like a real life tarot deck. Yeah. And they're trying to kill you. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of cool. I like that there's like these archetypes, uhhuh, um, I'm with you. And I like how they each show up and then it kind of becomes like the babadook and it kind of leans into this idea of like learning to live. With, uh, with the grief, the, the demons and whatever's. It's, again, it's what I love about horror, taking a literal demon, ghost, whatever, and using it to, some people hate that, but I loved it. Like when that, when Babadook ended up being like, about grief. Mm-hmm. People were like, Ugh. I was like, do you not find that ending Cty? Yeah. Where they like give him a bowl of dog food. He's just like living in the basement. Like Yeah. That's what having trauma is like, is you're just kind of constantly beating it back with a, the stick. You're like, she lives here, but we don't really talk. Yeah. Yeah. She's my roommate, so I love 13 ghosts. I think it's camp. I think it's fun. Mm-hmm. I love Tony Shaloub. Um, and let's like Tony Matthew Lillard. Oh, Shannon Elizabeth. Fucking, the cast. Like, I don't know why people hate it so much. I really don't. Yeah, it's. It's a good cast. Yeah. I don't know why. It's probably because it's in that weird, uh, era of like late nineties, early two thousands where it was like we had such an influx of like neo slashers and like meta slashers and everything was so like shiny and like pristine. It kind of fell into that clump. True. So true. Um, and it wasn't the best of that kind of era. Yeah. But it's still fun. I'm with you there. Yeah. That house is fun. Oh, it's so that's why it says like, Beetlejuice. Can you imagine that? Like all glass bathroom or whatever the fuck. Yeah. And then the kid, the, the, like, the blood comes up. It was, I was like, this is so cty. Could you imagine a 13 ghosts haunted house that has to exist? Right. Come on Halloween Horror nights. What are you doing? I know. We need, I I was watching a two hour deep dive last night on the entire history of Halloween Horror nights. I've never been me either. Sad. I really want to go road trip. Yes. Done when I have the money. When, I'm gonna ask the inverse question now. What movie do I hate? What is a, what's a horror movie that everybody loves that you're just like, eh, this was a hard one for me because like I said before, I have bad taste and it's like easy to please me. Like you, it takes a lot for me to shut up. It takes a lot. Well, no, no, I'm with you. We've had this conversation. You just have to go into movies. Yeah. When I go into a movie, I want to have a good time. Yeah. I'm not betting against it. No. And even if someone's told me like, I hate this movie, or A bunch of people hate it, I'm like, well, I might not. And often I do not. But, uh, so I, I, you know, especially horror. Horror, there's almost always something that I like about something. The one that is so like, hard for me and I dunno why I've only seen it once, I should give it a rewatch genuinely, is it follows. Okay. Everybody loves her. Mm-hmm. And it's this whole, okay. And I will say I do love the, like, retro future vibe that it has. I love the scene with the TVs. Mm-hmm. In the, in the pool. In the pool, yeah. But like the whole, everyone fighting back and forth about like, is it about STDs, is it about just teenagers being teenagers? Like, I just don't care. Who cares? Who cares? I mean, like, I just don't care. It's just not like, you know, it's one of those movies where. I think that's another trope. I mean, we have it with like the SMILE movies and stuff like that, where it's like one person has it and then passes it to the next person and passes it. Yeah. Like, I think, I think it's kind of hard to make that interesting sometimes. And to me it follows was just like that over and over and I don't, I don't really care about teens doing it, you know what I mean? Like, I don't go to a horror movie wanting teens full for that. Yeah. I'm, I'm just like, uh, and then everybody loves to like, get in debates about it. I'm just like, I, yeah, I don't care. But I'm willing to give it another shot because like I said, I've only seen it the once when it came out in theaters and I was like, all right. That's funny.'cause I think then you and I probably had the same amount of time between when we first saw it and now. Mm. Because I also, it's not that I didn't like it, I was just like. This is what everyone's obsessed with over. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Which maybe it was just, maybe it was, uh, not a like red letter year, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, maybe,'cause sometimes it really does depend on the year. I fucking hate it when they're like, best horror movie of the year. And I'm like, yeah. In comparison to what? Yeah. Because sometimes, like first of all, every new horror movie that comes out, they say that. Mm-hmm. And it's also April. Yes. They say that. And then also most horror movies, there aren't a lot of them. Mm-hmm. In comparison to every other type of straight boy movie that comes out. Yeah. So I'm like, what do you mean? Like, and we're so desperate for good horror. Mm-hmm. Like, well thought out horror, even if it's camp or whatever it is that Yeah. Of course. People are gonna be like, I loved it. Mm-hmm. Because it's something, you know what I mean? Because it's something, it's something. Excellent. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing. Are you ready for our rapid fire questions? I'm so ready. All right. First and most important question, are we feeling hydrated? Oh yeah. I got my fucking Powerade with me. Yeah. Fucking Powerade. I'm ready to go. Sponsored by Powerade. You got drinking that good blue shit. Oh, you know it. Your go-to movie snack. Oh, well, I will say lately it's been peanut butter m and ms. It has been, I think that's a hormonal shift, but, uh, but halfway through the movie, Bowie will just like hand me a handful of peanut m ms. Yeah. Yes. The other day it was, it was very lovely. During, what is it edington or was it weapons that we were sharing? Candy. I think it was weapons. Because you brought the quintessential snack, which is the non-binary kibble, which if you are not familiar, is, uh, nerds, gummy clusters. Mm-hmm. Which also I saw TikTok the other day that said a professional cheese monger said that brie pairs very well. Okay. With nerds gonna be buster of the tartness. So your next, they them get together. Make your charcuterie board. I'm in. I'm just trying to think of what I'm gonna use for a cracker. You know what? I'm just gonna mix the clusters into the brew and collar. Well,'cause I'm white trash. I was gonna say Ritz crackers. Yeah, I was thinking, uh, club crackers. Ooh. Which is what happens when you move next to the trailer park? No, wait, wait, wait. But then when your best friend is, is the lives in the trailer next to you, then you get the chicken in a biscuit. Okay. I never hear anybody talk about chicken in a biscuit. Really, girl. If anyone was gonna, it was gonna be me. Chicken and a biscuit is the best fucking cracker on the planet. Okay? Okay. But if you don't start eating it at age like 12, you hate them. You will never get into it. Like it just is what it is. I cannot explain. It is literally a cracker that tastes like chicken. I, I don't, there is no, they are. So good, so salty. Yeah. I used to, this is how I got fat. I used to eat them with, fucking bacon cheddar, cheese whiz. Yes you did. Yes you did. That was a Friday night dinner at our house. Honestly, what do mean? I was basically a latchkey kid. Like, yeah. Latchkey, millennial, whatever. Well, whatever you can find in the house. Good luck. Exactly. I almost burned our house down by cooking stuff in the microwave. My mom doesn't know. She never found out I was microwaving a candy cane for some stupid reason. That's the queerest thing. You could, I know how must burn the house down microwave fucking candy cane. And for you, Glen cocoa. Okay. Uh, do you prefer slashers or supernatural? Slasher. Yeah, I know. I'm not a, I mean, we talk about this to death. I'm sorry if this spoils it for anyone, but long legs, let me the fuck down, because I thought it was a Silence of the Lambs sort of thing, and they marketed it like that. Mm-hmm. And then they were like the devil. And like, I don't hate, listen, I love the Conjuring films. Okay. Mm-hmm. Uh, love those two con men. Um, but I sat and con women. Yeah. I hope that their love was pure. The only thing that was pure about those people, I bet they felt really fine about gay people though, because they were their best clients. I mean, they were like, girl, come to get this on. Yes, Lorraine. Mano me, me watching her get fucking sucked down in that basement. Anyway, come over for some brie and a chicken and a biscuit and get this demon outta my ragdoll baby. Anyway, raggedy and for real. Um, yeah, so I'm more of a slasher, but I will watch a supernatural. I just have to know that that's what it is going in. Same you call your movie Poltergeist. All right. I know what's up. Mm-hmm. I know what's happening. I think it's another, I'm gonna beat this point home that Bowie and I share the same brain cell. We have the exact same relationship with Osgood Perkins. I just wanna talk, you know, I just wanna talk, Mr. I just wanna talk. Yeah. Because it's, I call it the Ryan Murphy effect. Ooh. You like the first two thirds of it mm-hmm. Are enjoyable. Mm-hmm. And then you fucking ruin it. Mm-hmm. That I felt that way about the monkey. And I felt that way about long legs. I felt that way too. Yeah. And I was scared. I was scared to tell anybody because everybody loved long legs. Mm-hmm. Now everybody's starting to come around and be like, no thank you. I had some holes and I said, oh really? Welcome to the party. Okay. Oh my God. It was a wonderful atmosphere piece. And Micah Monroe did great. I will say also the monkey, I was so excited'cause I read the short story and I loved it.'cause I'm a Steven slut. Tell me about that. And then we got to halfway through the, it was almost exactly halfway when it shifted. And it shifted and I fell asleep and that's when all the action like really ramps up, which is unfortunate. I fell asleep, my eyes rolled so hard. I know. I was like so fucking hard. Um, alright. I think I know the answer to this. Slow burn or jump scare slow burn. Yeah. Mostly because jump scares. I have such a bad startle. Mm-hmm. I mean, you sat next to me at weapons. I made that there was non noise. If you guys have ever seen that screaming, uh, hamster image. Yes. That was me. I made a noise about a point that it wasn't even really a jump scare, it was a man like looking in a mirror and he saw his face in the mirror, his own face. Mm-hmm. And I went, oh loudly. It's so funny in the movie theater. So clearly I don't do well with that. So. Excellent. Yeah. Uh, cult Classic or Prestige Horror. What is prestige Horror? Things like, get Out Hereditary Miar. Okay. Things that Elevated horror. Elevated horror. I prefer prestige because mm-hmm. Prestige to me talks more about the, the people who fawn over it versus the work itself, because I don't think. Elevated is a fair way to approach it. Yeah. Because, uh, cult classics and stuff can be just as meaningful or exactly impactful mm-hmm. As new ones. So agreed. Um, I am finding myself loving a lot of the, the cult classics though. Mm-hmm. I mean, I'm a ator girly. Yes. Herbert West and Dr. Dan ship it girl talking about trans narratives. Mm. We don't have time for all that, but yeah. So I do love me some. Jordan Peele, that new Candyman, I ate that shit up. you know, shout out to Monkey Paw. Shout out to Ari Aser, my secret boyfriend. But, um, yeah, I really do love a cult classic. Yeah. I think going back to our whole thing about just like going into something to enjoy it. Mm-hmm. That's what I love about a cult classic. Just like a trashy cult classic. Just be open to what it's trying to give you. Have you watched Butcher Baker, nightmare Maker yet? Not yet. I'm, it's next on my list. I cannot wait to hear your thoughts on that. I know I'll probably eat it up, especially after we're done talking about this movie. Yes. I'm so interested. Um, alright. Who's an underrated final girl now? I thought long and hard about this. Mm-hmm. It might be controversial. I don't even know. I can't wait. I am going with. Mia from the Evil Dead remake. Okay. And I'm saying this because she's unique. Spoilers for the remake that came out in like 2013. Um, she is the villain mm-hmm. For most of the film. Mm-hmm. Like the villain is the Evil Dead. Yeah. The Dead. Well the villain is really the motherfucker that always picks up the book and reads outta the neck. Comicon. Yeah. Like stop reading outta the Book of Skin. I don't know why that's such a hard thing for people to Yeah. Even if you're trying to impress a date, just stop like please. Um, I'm hearing this nice Airbnb to have a good time. Yeah. And here you are reading, just let's mix some popcorn literature. But so she is fucking with everyone, the whole film. Mm-hmm. And then she. Overcomes it because I mean, it's a whole thing about addiction. Yeah. That's the whole point of the movie is she's there to detox. Yes. She overcomes it and then herself literally slays the evil in the, one of the most iconic final scenes. I mean, I was, I was looking at movies and amounts of Blood that movies had used. Uhhuh and it's, it's one of the top movies they used. Like, I can imagine 50,000 gallons of, imagine that Fake Blood. It's unbelievable. It's probably right up there with Cabin in the Woods. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was, that was like second or third or something. Yeah. Yeah. It was unbelievable. I support you on that. Thank you. Yeah. I think Mia's great. Thank you. Because I love a woman who's both the victim and the perpetrator. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I love anti-heroes. Mm-hmm. I love that shit. Mm-hmm. Alright. You're in a horror movie. You're in a slasher specifically, do you run upstairs or grab a knife and fight? You know. This, this, the people want to know this. This goes to show where I am at in my life. There, there was a time where I think I would, I would run and I would hide, and I would really like, do really well. Now, the, the thing that I always say is that I, I was telling my partner, I was like, God, help John Kramer. If he fucking kidnapped me and said, oh, let's play a game. I'd say, nah, you can just take me out. You know what I mean? I'm like, I've needed an excuse for this long. I'm just gonna hang out here. Just take me. I'm like, you want me to poke out my eyeball? Just take, just take me. So at this point I think I'd be like, you know what? If it's happening, it's happening. Yeah. And I'm pulling out that, that cleaver just make it a good one. Chef's knife. Yeah. The fucking rusty box cutter Outta the corner. Yes. And I'm, I'm going in. I love that hand to hand combat. Same. I've, I have 36 years of pent up rage in my body. I need somewhere to put it. I literally, I need one excuse. I just need, gimme a reason. Please need one. This is my 13th reason. Um, do you think you would survive a horror movie? I think I would at least make it toward the end. Mm-hmm. Because I don't. I don't believe in doing dumb shit, like reading out of books of skin. Like it's not even, I was talking about this with my partner last night that it was like, they were like, I have not done Bloody Mary and I never will. And I said, no, me neither. Because it's not actually about like whether Ouija Board works or whether Bloody Mary actually shows up. It's about the psychological thing. It's the power you give it. Yeah, exactly. And if you, if it's real for you, it's real. So yes, I just have, you know, if I go to a party, there's a hand in the middle and they're like, you grab the hand and you see ghosts, I go, it's actually past my bedtime. Yeah. I hope you have a great time. You know what I mean? Yes. So I think I would live at least maybe not Final Girl. Mm-hmm. But But you're not gonna be an idiot. No, I just, yeah, no, yeah. You are so little side story, not to take time away from Yeah. Your moment. I, when I was a kid, yeah. So I grew up, my mother would be like, let's play Ouija board. Okay. It was like playing Monopoly in my house. Okay. Just because, just because Hasbro owns it now doesn't mean that it's like a board game. We played it like, like a board game. Like we were not like, you know, with rules and stuff like that. Yeah. But it was like the casual nature of us just whipping out the Ouija board. Was she suspicious? Superstitious? Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. My mom's, which she vibes, she, my mom is a witch. Okay. Yeah. Alright, good for her. Um, and so we would do the Ouija board all the time. And I remember one time I played the Ouija board by myself'cause I was an idiot. And, um, I psyched myself out'cause we would also do this thing, you put it in the microwave and you almost burned it out. I put, yeah, I put the Ouija board in the microwave. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, but I also started doing this thing. Where I would hold a pen and I would just be like, write something. Wait, that challenge's Skip the Ouija board. Was it like Charlie Challenge or whatever the hell were you through? Was this was before the Charlie Challenge? You invented the Charlie Challenge. I was like, I was like fucking 11 years old. We're talking, this is, this explains a lot of 1999, 2000. Yeah. I actually, I don't know when the Charlie ch uh, challenge came out, but I was, this is before the internet was what it is. Yeah. And I would constantly just like have. It. Right. Whatever it wants. And then I remember one day my finger wouldn't stop moving. Oh. And it was like my finger was spelling shit out. Oh. And I realized it's because I was like psyching myself out. Yeah. And I was like so afraid Yeah. Of getting possessed or like losing control of my body that anything that I thought my body, which is right. Yeah. If you're someone who's susceptible to anxiety or anything like that, it don't take much. Nope. You know? Nope. That explains a lot about you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so, so much. My mom made us play Oui. My mom plays. Yeah. Y'all didn't play, y'all didn't play Ouija board play. Ouija board. Yeah. No, we play Ouija board. That's crazy. Which horror villain could get it? This is where we get into the sexy side of things. The one, I mean, can I technically do two? Yeah. More than, well, uh, the first one is Hannibal Lecter. Of course, in any, in all forms, that man is so sexy, deeply, deeply sexy. Any version of that man. Especially if you're like sapiosexual. Yeah. Ugh. A hundred fucking percent. Yeah. And then any of the Sina bytes. Nice. Any of them? Yes. Any of them? Any of them? I'm sorry. They show up and they go, Hey. I go, hi. Hi. Don't open the box. Oh, I'm opening the box. Oh, I'm gonna open it. I'm opening the box. What was that? You're gonna tear my soul apart when they say that line about pain is pleasure. I'm like, girl. Mm-hmm. I know you could teach me a little little bit about, I fucking love Hellraiser for that. Oh, it's such a beautiful movie. Ooh. That was probably one of my introductions to more like quote unquote extreme horror, even though it isn't really, it was like, oh yeah. I guess kind of really gory. Mm-hmm. One of the first like really gory and kind of subversive. Yeah. Clive Barker is good for that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. A little bit of sexy, a little bit of gory. Like some BDSM. Yes. Homo Homoeroticism and all that stuff. Yes, 100%. All right, so I co-signed both of those. I'm curious to know who you think would be the worst hookup of horror villains. I, I gotta make sure I,'cause I wrote this down, I felt very passionately about it. Oh, I cannot wait and I don't wanna forget. Oh, yeah. Right. I don't think this is controversial. The Jaws shark, Bruce, that shit was always breaking. That's true. He's unreliable. That's, that's like, this is like, uh, your vibrator, battery's dying, like right when you're about to get started. Waterproof my ass. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And plus all the teeth. Yeah. I wouldn't, that wouldn't be a face sitting endeavor, I don't think. No, I agree. Okay. I love that you went non-human with that. Thank you. Like creature, non-human, not like demon non-human. Yeah. People, I mean people when I mean, fallout came out and people saw that ghoul and they said, I would go to town on that. Man. I don't think I've seen that. Just look up an image. He's literally in an irradiated like man, and he looks mostly like a rotted corpse. And people said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sick. Get me in there. Get me in there. What horror item would you use in bed, in the bedroom? Uh, the talk to me hand. The talk to me hand. Yeah. Just, just don't do the do don't grab it and go, uh, talk to me. Yeah. But there's many other uses for it, I believe. I agree. Hand stuff is fun. Yeah. Yeah. Make it work. I, I included, I did this series on TikTok for a minute, where I talked about like, which horror movie, villains I would bang. Mm-hmm. And the talk to me hand was on there and I said, yes, as it should be because hand stuff is hot. Everybody wrote the fuck up. And I said yes. And I said yes. And I said yes. I said yes. Like a grown adult. Yes. Gosh. Yeah. What's your villain, ho Origin? What's your origin story in three words? My ho story, being assigned female. Nice. You know? Nice. Yeah. That was the start of everything. Love that. Okay. Yeah. So we are now you are a, a villain. You're a, you're a killer. What's your iconic look? very, it's very inspired by the franchise we're talking about. We're doing jorts. Mm-hmm. We're doing, dirty tank top, dirty white tank top. Mm-hmm. White, high top sneakers uhhuh, dirty as all hell uhhuh and a bat with nails in it. And then the nails are Yes. Okay. Yes, exactly. Everybody, I have a bat with nails in as a prop. We're not going, we're not doing Walking Dead. Okay. This is different because we're, we're going almost like trans toxic avenger, because I'm gonna, I'm gonna dip all the nails in testosterone. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Everyone's on HRT, everyone. Whether that you wanna be everyone. Yeah. This is, I'm, I'm gonna piss off as many people as I can. I support that a hundred percent. You know, are you gonna have a mullet? What kind of question is that? It was given? No, I'm gonna have a mullet wig and then at one point I snatch it off and I'm bald. Or it should just be like a smaller mullet. Oh my God. Just a little bit. Just like a mto, a sweaty mullet. Yeah. I love that. Well I guess you already told me what your weapon was. Do you have a tagline? Just when you thought it was safe to be sis again? I love that. What's your most embarrassing moment? I was, think I was thinking about this. yeah. It's very specific. I was in a TV show for HBO Uhhuh and, my cast member, I was in a scene with her and I. I looked down because I'm, I can't make normal conversation. I looked down and she had a bleach stain on her sweatpants, and I said, oh, I hate when that happens. And she was like, oh yeah, I mean, these are really my, my pants. Like they're not from wardrobe. And I was like, oh, I mean, there's not, like, they look fine, they're fine. And then that, that person was Jasmine SFUs Jones, and I did not know who she was. Oh my goodness. I did not know until I told someone. I was like, yeah, I was in that show, Mrs. Fletcher. And they were like, with Jasmine CFUs Jones. And I was like, yeah, is that like a person? And they were like, Peggy from, yeah, I was gonna say Peggy. It's like, uh, Mariah, Mariah Reynolds from Hamilton. Yeah. Mm-hmm. She has a great voice. She does. I love her voice. She's fta. She's very talented. And I felt so stupid after that happened. Like, how do you, how as a conversation starter, are you gonna comment on someone's look being fucked up? I mean, I'm a drag artist. I was gonna say, I'm not, this is not the drag backstage any drags show. Yeah, that's fair. No, no, not that, that is embarrassing. It was very embarrassing. Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry. I had to deal with that. Sorry, Jasmine. Sorry, Jasmine. Jasmine, if you're watching, she doesn't remember me. Bowie apologizes, but I do. This should be an easy one. What are you looking forward to right now? Um, we'd like to end on a positive note here. I'm manifesting getting to be cast in like a Katie Camp, be eighties horror movie. I'm putting that out there. Yeah, I think it would do great. Um, yeah, because I think that's what I was meant. To, to do. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think so. Just like some good solid B horror movie. Yeah. I don't need to be, you know, in Hathaway Brad Pitt, but I, I would like to be Issa. Uh, I would, I would like to be a Jeffrey Combs. I would like to be a Bruce Campbell Uhhuh, Barbara Crampton. I'm just known for doing the craziest shit Yes. That most people can't stand. Mm-hmm. But I will be at every horror convention and people will comb their pants when they see me. Love that for that is the ideal. I love that for manifesting. Yeah. All right. Final question. Yeah. What makes you a horror icon? W-H-O-R-O-R icon, you know, it's like I was saying before, it's that thing where it's like some people don't have a choice about being stared at or being considered weird, or being considered subversive. And so sometimes you just fucking gotta lean in, you know? And I love that about horrors that like I. So often it's so strange and you see things in horror that you just would never see anywhere else, and I strive to be that way. Mm-hmm. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Let's make some more fucked up movies. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing. Yeah. Excellent. Well, now it's time. Do you want to unveil what film we're gonna be talking about? What franchise is gonna be this one? Because I suggested it. Yes, you did. I did. Right away. Yes you did. And it's something, it wasn't even on my list. That's crazy. Well, it's like I have. A huge list. Yeah. And I put it together knowing that there was gonna be some that. Right. I overlooked.'cause I haven't seen this one. Yeah. So I think that's why it was on the forefront of my mind, but I'm so glad that you brought it up. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's Miss Sleepaway can. Yeah. Baby. Yes. Girl. Angela Baker. Angela fucking Baker. Issa Rose herself. She's such an icon. Yes. Sleepaway Camp. So now have, have you seen Sleepaway Camp? It was so funny when I mentioned it because you told me the podcast, the whole scheme of the podcast and between that and a horror franchise, I immediately said Sleepaway Camp based on the themes in it without even having seen it. Mm-hmm. I knew the big twist in it. Um, and I knew it's infamous. It's hard to go into this not knowing what the twist is. Yeah. It's so in the zeitgeist, it's giving how I have yet to watch the sixth sense. Mm-hmm. Because I had it ruined for me. I'm still upset about it. Yeah. But I did know quite a bit about it. I just hadn't seen the full movie. Mm-hmm. So I was like, we should this. Yes, yes, yes. I'm so glad. It's gonna be really interesting too, going into a season where neither of us have seen this, so we're gonna be discovering it for the first time. Yeah. And for the listeners out there, if you haven't seen it, I definitely invite you to join us on this journey of, of watching it.'cause it is. It's, yeah, it's like peak camp. It's literally summer camp sleepaway camp. Literally. Wow. Literally though. Yeah. So we're gonna be, it's got everything folks. It's got everything. It has, it has your gaze, it has your days, it has your, the shortest shorts you've ever seen on a man. I, no, they get shorter every scene I swear to. They really do. They really do. He's basically wearing a thong by the end of the movie. That one counselor fighting for his life and just less and less clothing on him every time. His poor taint. We gotta save the kids. He gotta save. It's hot. That's true. It's hot. That's, I think it also takes place in New York, like upstate New York or something. Oh, I have no idea. I saw that somewhere. Camp era. I don't know. But'cause also some of them have crazy accents, so that would make sense. That's true. Yeah. So yeah, sleep away camp. It is notably queer, notably trans, notably, uh, insane. I think it's like, uh, thought provoking. Yes, thought provoking. It's one that a lot of people hold is like one of their favorites of the eighties, of the slasher genre. I'm fucking excited. I'm fucking excited too. Yeah. So, before we depart and jump right into the next episode where we talk about Sleepaway Camp Bowie. Yeah. Where can our listeners find you? I'm in different places doing different things. There's, I mean, as I said earlier, there's no consistency about what you may or may not see. Mm-hmm. Um, but I am. at knife presenting. Knife presenting. At, on Instagram. Is that your TikTok too? TikTok? Yeah. It's my TikTok too, where I talk about horror stuff and sometimes sewing stuff in random shit. I don't know. My video about weapons is kind of popping off. Oh, hell yeah. Which, which is good because it's people being like, oh, I'm glad someone's like talking about it this way. Mm-hmm. And I was like, oh, thank God.'cause for a while I felt like that was Tim Foil hat. No. Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair. Yeah. And I think that's like it. Like I just do random shit over there. Yeah, I definitely recommend giving Bowie a follow that TikTok. I love it. I love seeing your videos pop up in my FYP. Who knows what's gonna be there, honestly. So, and with that said, cuties, you can follow me of course crybaby on the Instagram and the TikTok at crying without the GN under public. And please give horror icon to follow. Yes, it's Horror Icon Pod, W-H-O-R-R-O-R, icon Pod on the Instagram. Mm-hmm. Give us a like to subscribe on YouTube everybody and give us fucking support on the Patreon. Why don't you, when it's a hub, when it's a yes. Should support on the Patreon. It'll actually, it'll be up by the time this episode, airs. Oh, there you go. So, uh, yes, support the Patreon also, do the whole like, rate and review on Apple Podcast basically help us get seen. Yeah. We're a bunch of queer people trying to make space. Yeah. And take up space. Yeah. And share space with you. Mm-hmm. And make money. Yes. We live in capitalism. Until next time, cuties, I'm so excited to talk about sleep away camp. Hang in there. Don't be scared unless you're into that sort of thing. Oh, bye. Bye.